Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
Does Flex costs all that? I think flash/flex is no option :s It's too expensive to brazillian market :p On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 23:09, Paul Andrews p...@ipauland.com wrote: Sid Ferreira wrote: How many time Flex/Flash took to pay it self? I think a lot of people on the flash lists don't realise how much money some corporates invest in software development. $15K would be a fraction of the development costs in some projects. It's a completely different situation to freelancers that are working with their own development tools. Corporates are rationalising development costs across many customers while often freelancers/small companies are rationalising their costs from one or very few customers. Paul On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 22:29, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I am still quite amazed that Macromedia ever developed Flex. I suspect that a few people on the list might not know that originally it would cost something like $6,000 for a Flex licence and some serious server power was also required. More than that - Flex 1.x was around $15k USD according to our pricelist. And, frankly, it kind of sucked. But Flex 2 changed all that! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
And Adobe Flash? On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 06:47, Ian Thomas i...@eirias.net wrote: The Flex SDK is free, Flex Builder 3 (the current version) is $249 Ian On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Sid Ferreira sid@gmail.com wrote: Does Flex costs all that? I think flash/flex is no option :s It's too expensive to brazillian market :p On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 23:09, Paul Andrews p...@ipauland.com wrote: Sid Ferreira wrote: How many time Flex/Flash took to pay it self? I think a lot of people on the flash lists don't realise how much money some corporates invest in software development. $15K would be a fraction of the development costs in some projects. It's a completely different situation to freelancers that are working with their own development tools. Corporates are rationalising development costs across many customers while often freelancers/small companies are rationalising their costs from one or very few customers. Paul On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 22:29, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I am still quite amazed that Macromedia ever developed Flex. I suspect that a few people on the list might not know that originally it would cost something like $6,000 for a Flex licence and some serious server power was also required. More than that - Flex 1.x was around $15k USD according to our pricelist. And, frankly, it kind of sucked. But Flex 2 changed all that! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
Damn... 1k USD... and there are all the taxes... more than I get in 1 month (yeah, Brazil pays too low) On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:51, Henrik Andersson he...@henke37.cjb.netwrote: Sid Ferreira wrote: And Adobe Flash? 799 USD for one standalone normal license. 299 USD for the upgrade deal. There are packages and student discounts available. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
didn't got it On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:12, Ivan Dembicki ivan.dembi...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Sid, Damn... 1k USD... and there are all the taxes... more than I get in 1 month (yeah, Brazil pays too low) http://www.cleoag.ru/2009/11/12/langenfew-secret-videos-langenlangru-langru/ 50 EU -- iv http://www.bezier.ru http://bezier.googlecode.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
Here in Brazil a very good and talented developer can hit $1,200 (my case) each month. Used to run pirate software, but I want to get 100% legal.. It is correct, it is fair... and in the today world is even cool ;-) On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:44, Paul Andrews p...@ipauland.com wrote: Sid Ferreira wrote: didn't got it It was probably intended for the new thread, not this one. Where do you get $1,000 from? How do you code flash now? Paul On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:12, Ivan Dembicki ivan.dembi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sid, Damn... 1k USD... and there are all the taxes... more than I get in 1 month (yeah, Brazil pays too low) http://www.cleoag.ru/2009/11/12/langenfew-secret-videos-langenlangru-langru/ 50 EU -- iv http://www.bezier.ru http://bezier.googlecode.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
Mmm... now I got a question: How to create an AS3 animated button without using flash... I mean, images, behaviours, etc... Any tutorial in mind? On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 13:30, al...@cyberiantiger.biz wrote: Sid Ferreira wrote: Used to run pirate software, but I want to get 100% legal.. It is correct, it is fair... and in the today world is even cool ;-) Good for you! I know software is expensive relative to wages in Brazil, and a lot of other countries. To make it worse, a lot of Adobe's products are cheaper in the U.S. than other countries. Still, it's the tool you use to make your living. A carpenter wouldn't steal a hammer, and we shouldn't steal our tools. You're on the right track. There is a completely free and legal solution. You can download the Flex IDE for free: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sdk. Then all you need is an editor, and FlashDevelop is free: http://www.flashdevelop.org/. That doesn't get you Flash, of course, and I consider Flash an essential complement to Flex. It does mitigate the cost quite a bit, though. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
it uses a FLA :-/ On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 14:18, al...@cyberiantiger.biz wrote: Sid Ferreira wrote: Mmm... now I got a question: How to create an AS3 animated button without using flash... I mean, images, behaviours, etc... Any tutorial in mind? Well, here's one tutorial http://forums.greensock.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=17. I haven't tried it, but you can find other tutorials with Google. It can be done entirely in code, assuming you have the images. In fact, it would make a nice class--probably 20-30 lines of code. It's a good question. If I get the time today, I'll write an animated button class in AS3. I don't have Flex installed on this computer, so I'll have to do it in Flash, but it will all be just AS3 code you could compile and run with Flex. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
I know this isn't actually an Adobe Flex / Adobe Flash Builder list (actually, if you know a good one, forward me), but today a client sent a briefing asking the website to be done in Adobe Flex. Once it will need CEO and it isn't for small audiences, we plan to deny it, but then I got the doubt: Are there good websites made in flex? Here is a link of a website made for us using flash technology, and it's what we would like to do: http://www.florense.com Thanks in advance! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
Well, indeed you changed my mind... Now, a thing that bothers me is that buttons, for instance, uses timeline and not AS animation... On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:19, Cedric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Hi, My answer is one of those very general and informative answers, please pardon me for that. All in all, Flex / Flash Builder is just Flash platform ... which is just Flash. Flash is Flash. The florense site could have been done with Flex. Actually you can use Flex Builder to build a 100% actionscript project involving NONE of the flex framework / components. Flex / Flash Builder is just a nice IDE, truely dedicated towards application development. I am answering to your question with the one I asked to Gringo's ( http://www.gringo.nu/ co founder: Do you happen to use Flex in the websites/applications you produce ? Answer: Yes, almost always. From that answer I started wondering what Flex was :) Now I am building custom components for Flex specialists :) Actually it is quite amazing how far you can consolidate what you learnt with Flash. Moreover if you are being able to develop sites like florense.com you will be able to do great things with Flex, and definitely replicate what you did in Flash with some time gain, if you are being proficient. Another question could be: why does the client want Flex ? (because SEO is not an answer, it can be done with a 100% pure AS project compiled with Flash IDE). hth, Cedric I know this isn't actually an Adobe Flex / Adobe Flash Builder list (actually, if you know a good one, forward me), but today a client sent a briefing asking the website to be done in Adobe Flex. Once it will need CEO and it isn't for small audiences, we plan to deny it, but then I got the doubt: Are there good websites made in flex? Here is a link of a website made for us using flash technology, and it's what we would like to do: http://www.florense.com Thanks in advance! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
I need to retake the studies in flex... At this moment Im deciding between Html 5 or focus in the flash media... On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:51, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.uk wrote: Hi, But you can easily create your own button type class rather than use the Flash symbols... Glen Sid Ferreira wrote: Well, indeed you changed my mind... Now, a thing that bothers me is that buttons, for instance, uses timeline and not AS animation... On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:19, Cedric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Hi, My answer is one of those very general and informative answers, please pardon me for that. All in all, Flex / Flash Builder is just Flash platform ... which is just Flash. Flash is Flash. The florense site could have been done with Flex. Actually you can use Flex Builder to build a 100% actionscript project involving NONE of the flex framework / components. Flex / Flash Builder is just a nice IDE, truely dedicated towards application development. I am answering to your question with the one I asked to Gringo's ( http://www.gringo.nu/ co founder: Do you happen to use Flex in the websites/applications you produce ? Answer: Yes, almost always. From that answer I started wondering what Flex was :) Now I am building custom components for Flex specialists :) Actually it is quite amazing how far you can consolidate what you learnt with Flash. Moreover if you are being able to develop sites like florense.com you will be able to do great things with Flex, and definitely replicate what you did in Flash with some time gain, if you are being proficient. Another question could be: why does the client want Flex ? (because SEO is not an answer, it can be done with a 100% pure AS project compiled with Flash IDE). hth, Cedric I know this isn't actually an Adobe Flex / Adobe Flash Builder list (actually, if you know a good one, forward me), but today a client sent a briefing asking the website to be done in Adobe Flex. Once it will need CEO and it isn't for small audiences, we plan to deny it, but then I got the doubt: Are there good websites made in flex? Here is a link of a website made for us using flash technology, and it's what we would like to do: http://www.florense.com Thanks in advance! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
But, now the big question: How to handle with the legal costs? In brazil there are many people using flash, most of them I doubt are legal... Mauro: Are you brazillian? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:04, Mauro Martins mauroalexandremart...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I tend to start a project in flash IDE and then code it all the way inside a flex bluider or eclipse + FDT. I just use my IDE for Flash assets like custom constructed components. That way you have all the neat code hinting (wich you still dont have in IDE) and have all the good things from the Flash and not Flex. Sid Ferreira escreveu: I need to retake the studies in flex... At this moment Im deciding between Html 5 or focus in the flash media... On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:51, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.uk wrote: Hi, But you can easily create your own button type class rather than use the Flash symbols... Glen Sid Ferreira wrote: Well, indeed you changed my mind... Now, a thing that bothers me is that buttons, for instance, uses timeline and not AS animation... On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:19, Cedric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Hi, My answer is one of those very general and informative answers, please pardon me for that. All in all, Flex / Flash Builder is just Flash platform ... which is just Flash. Flash is Flash. The florense site could have been done with Flex. Actually you can use Flex Builder to build a 100% actionscript project involving NONE of the flex framework / components. Flex / Flash Builder is just a nice IDE, truely dedicated towards application development. I am answering to your question with the one I asked to Gringo's ( http://www.gringo.nu/ co founder: Do you happen to use Flex in the websites/applications you produce ? Answer: Yes, almost always. From that answer I started wondering what Flex was :) Now I am building custom components for Flex specialists :) Actually it is quite amazing how far you can consolidate what you learnt with Flash. Moreover if you are being able to develop sites like florense.com you will be able to do great things with Flex, and definitely replicate what you did in Flash with some time gain, if you are being proficient. Another question could be: why does the client want Flex ? (because SEO is not an answer, it can be done with a 100% pure AS project compiled with Flash IDE). hth, Cedric I know this isn't actually an Adobe Flex / Adobe Flash Builder list (actually, if you know a good one, forward me), but today a client sent a briefing asking the website to be done in Adobe Flex. Once it will need CEO and it isn't for small audiences, we plan to deny it, but then I got the doubt: Are there good websites made in flex? Here is a link of a website made for us using flash technology, and it's what we would like to do: http://www.florense.com Thanks in advance! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
This is a real problem... it's over expensive a flash license... On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:35, Henrik Andersson he...@henke37.cjb.netwrote: Giro wrote: You can use vector graphics on flex. You can create this on flash and export to flex as symbol inside a swf. On flex you can scale and don't lose quality. Using Flash to create graphics for flex kinda defeats the point of flex, doesn't it? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
What about handle libraries? Create classes to define the look of a button? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:46, Giro g...@enhoresdefeina.com wrote: Not. You only use flash to create a vector graphic, but not code on flash, all code is in flex. The same for example if you user photoshop to create jpeg and use this jpeg on flex. Giro 2009/11/18 Henrik Andersson he...@henke37.cjb.net Giro wrote: You can use vector graphics on flex. You can create this on flash and export to flex as symbol inside a swf. On flex you can scale and don't lose quality. Using Flash to create graphics for flex kinda defeats the point of flex, doesn't it? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Who uses Adobe Flex?
How many time Flex/Flash took to pay it self? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 22:29, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I am still quite amazed that Macromedia ever developed Flex. I suspect that a few people on the list might not know that originally it would cost something like $6,000 for a Flex licence and some serious server power was also required. More than that - Flex 1.x was around $15k USD according to our pricelist. And, frankly, it kind of sucked. But Flex 2 changed all that! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] project planning tools
www.clockingit.com --- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:48, Ron Wheeler rwhee...@artifact-software.comwrote: Benny wrote: I am looking for tips/experiences for a simple/intuitive and affordable gantt based (offline) planning tool which should run on Windows vista. Which tools are you using to plan your Flash projects and why would you recommend it? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders http://www.serena.com/products/openproj/index.html ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Tips for newbie
Hi all! Im new in Flash, but I have a long background in programming (php, C, asp, Flex, and there we go) for a long time. I was really into Flex' view, but after discussing with a friend, I've met and choosed Gaia Framework. Now I have the problem: Where to start? In Flex, it would be pretty simple tasks like dynamically add custom created components an passing parameters on them, but, how to do that in flash? Sorry if it sounds lazy, but, my cable is off and I need gather most tuff possible to get home and use it a lot at weekend. Thanks in advance -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web Cia2 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
