Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
Thanks a lot to all who responded for enlightening me. I've already downloaded Flex 2 SDK: now I can see the need for it :-) -- Best regards, GregoryN http://GOusable.com Flash components development. Usability services. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
FWIW, I did an informal survey on a forum I'm on of car enthusiasts. Pretty normal computer users. Out of 15 responses 0 - Player 7 6 - Player 8 9 - Player 9 So, the adoption rate is pretty good. I asked, and nobody had any idea how they got Player 9. They were even surprised that they had it. So, no real need to play it conservative. Besides, since you need to use swfobject or similar to deal with Eolas, you might as well publish to Player 8. On 8/19/06, GregoryN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot to all who responded for enlightening me. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
I asked, and nobody had any idea how they got Player 9. They were even surprised that they had it. I'd be willing to bet that MySpace did it. They're doing the live update thing to Flash 9. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
Seems like the landscape is: Flash IDE 8 and Flash Player 8 is current. Player 8 offers some nice features like blurs, drop shadows, really really nice anti-aliased text and bitmap manipulation. Thing is, Flash Player 7 is better seeded in the world, so, if you publish to Player 8, you need to run swfobject or Adobe's Express Install to check player version and force an upgrade to player 8. Not _too_ hard on the user, but, they still have to experience a player upgrade. It is still quite common to use Flash MX2004 or Flash IDE 8 and publish to player 7. Flash Player 9 is kind of a bridge to the future? It has many performance improvements, and can use AS3. Flash IDE 9 will use AS3 and Player 9, but you can start tinkering around with AS3 now if you want. If you think some of the features of Player 8 are worth it (the text rendering is a lot better, shadows and blurs are a welcome addition) then check for and force the player upgrade. Flex uses AS3, so, there is that connection Adobe is using to get Flash developers going on the transition. Seems like Flex is going to take over the RIA market and Flash will be used for multimedia widgets and stuff like you already see out there now. I'm no expert, but that's my understanding of the situation. On 8/17/06, GregoryN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Flashcoders, I'm a bit confused with waterfall of all these new terms :-). Can't find all answers at the Adobe site so far... As far as I can judge, current Flash version is 8, but - on product and Version Penetration pages it's 8 - latest Flash Player offered is v.9 - you're discussing AS3 and even Flash 9 IDE here in the list So, can anyone clarify the current situation with Flash versions? What about expected in the nearest future (till the end of 2006)? Please excuse me if this question seems dumb for you. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
Hi, actually the flash 9 player is the current version, allthough I doubt many people in the world have it, since version 8 just got released not too long ago. Tho I do think releasing something in version 8 isn't that big a deal, since alot of people have it allready ( http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html ). cheers, Meinte On 8/18/06, Count Schemula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like the landscape is: Flash IDE 8 and Flash Player 8 is current. Player 8 offers some nice features like blurs, drop shadows, really really nice anti-aliased text and bitmap manipulation. Thing is, Flash Player 7 is better seeded in the world, so, if you publish to Player 8, you need to run swfobject or Adobe's Express Install to check player version and force an upgrade to player 8. Not _too_ hard on the user, but, they still have to experience a player upgrade. It is still quite common to use Flash MX2004 or Flash IDE 8 and publish to player 7. Flash Player 9 is kind of a bridge to the future? It has many performance improvements, and can use AS3. Flash IDE 9 will use AS3 and Player 9, but you can start tinkering around with AS3 now if you want. If you think some of the features of Player 8 are worth it (the text rendering is a lot better, shadows and blurs are a welcome addition) then check for and force the player upgrade. Flex uses AS3, so, there is that connection Adobe is using to get Flash developers going on the transition. Seems like Flex is going to take over the RIA market and Flash will be used for multimedia widgets and stuff like you already see out there now. I'm no expert, but that's my understanding of the situation. On 8/17/06, GregoryN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Flashcoders, I'm a bit confused with waterfall of all these new terms :-). Can't find all answers at the Adobe site so far... As far as I can judge, current Flash version is 8, but - on product and Version Penetration pages it's 8 - latest Flash Player offered is v.9 - you're discussing AS3 and even Flash 9 IDE here in the list So, can anyone clarify the current situation with Flash versions? What about expected in the nearest future (till the end of 2006)? Please excuse me if this question seems dumb for you. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
Hi, actually the flash 9 player is the current version, allthough I doubt many people in the world have it, since version 8 just got released not too long ago. Tho I do think releasing something in version 8 isn't that big a deal, since alot of people have it allready ( http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html ). cheers, Meinte Also, if you want to use a better language than ActionScript2, haXe can compile for Flash Players 6,7,8. And when in the future you want to target Flash Player 9, there is FP9 support so you will not have to learn a new language at this time. Also, since there is conditional compilation, you are able to write the following : #if flash9 // code specific for flash9 #else flash // code for flash = 8 #end This way, you can continue using most of your codebase by simply changing the places where the Flash API has been modified between FP8 and FP9. All the code logic will remains the same. Actually someone is working on a crossplayer API that will behave the same on all Flash Player versions. This way by using this API you can ensure that your content can run on Players 6 to 8. http://haxe.org Nicolas ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
On 8/18/06, Meinte van't Kruis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, actually the flash 9 player is the current version, allthough I doubt many people in the world have it, since version 8 just got released not too long ago. Tho I do think releasing something in version 8 isn't that big a deal, since alot of people have it allready ( http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html ). cheers, Meinte On 8/18/06, Count Schemula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like the landscape is: Flash IDE 8 and Flash Player 8 is current. Player 8 offers some nice features like blurs, drop shadows, really really nice anti-aliased text and bitmap manipulation. Thing is, Flash Player 7 is better seeded in the world, so, if you publish to Player 8, you need to run swfobject or Adobe's Express Install to check player version and force an upgrade to player 8. Not _too_ hard on the user, but, they still have to experience a player upgrade. It is still quite common to use Flash MX2004 or Flash IDE 8 and publish to player 7. Flash Player 9 is kind of a bridge to the future? It has many performance improvements, and can use AS3. Flash IDE 9 will use AS3 and Player 9, but you can start tinkering around with AS3 now if you want. If you think some of the features of Player 8 are worth it (the text rendering is a lot better, shadows and blurs are a welcome addition) then check for and force the player upgrade. Flex uses AS3, so, there is that connection Adobe is using to get Flash developers going on the transition. Seems like Flex is going to take over the RIA market and Flash will be used for multimedia widgets and stuff like you already see out there now. I'm no expert, but that's my understanding of the situation. On 8/17/06, GregoryN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Flashcoders, I'm a bit confused with waterfall of all these new terms :-). Can't find all answers at the Adobe site so far... As far as I can judge, current Flash version is 8, but - on product and Version Penetration pages it's 8 - latest Flash Player offered is v.9 - you're discussing AS3 and even Flash 9 IDE here in the list So, can anyone clarify the current situation with Flash versions? What about expected in the nearest future (till the end of 2006)? Please excuse me if this question seems dumb for you. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
Thanks... those are better adoption numbers than I would have thought... With the whole EOLAS thing, I'm just gonna start publishing to Player 8 using swfobject and be done with it. On 8/18/06, Meinte van't Kruis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: releasing something in version 8 isn't that big a deal, since alot of people have it allready ( http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html ). ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
actually the flash 9 player is the current version, allthough I doubt many people in the world have it, since version 8 just got released not too long ago. Actually, with MySpace requiring Flash 9, I would expect the penetration to reach 80%+ within a couple months. ryanm ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
ryanm wrote: Actually, with MySpace requiring Flash 9, I would expect the penetration to reach 80%+ within a couple months. The MySpace surge apparently affected the servers last week (I think MySpace has since throttled back, spread out their update requests), but even so, MySpace has 90 million members, and Flash Player 8 and above have consistently exceeded five million successful installs per day... Flash Player gains more new audience in a month than all MySpace members combined. They may have pushed the adoption curve forward a few weeks. For the original question, Adobe Flash Player 9 was released to the public at the end of June 2006, and is now available in Windows, Macintosh, and Intel-based Macintosh versions. Player 9 for Linux should arrive towards the end of 2006. For mobile, Adobe Flash Lite 2 is the current version, used in new devices, although most devices already have Flash Lite 1.x baked in. For authoring, the Flash 8 Professional authoring tool for visual development produces SWF8 files. Adobe Flex 2.0, released in late June, uses the new ActionScript 3 engine in Flash Player 9 for its enhanced logic-processing capabilities. Other tools may produce different versions of SWF files, but the current Adobe Flash Player 9 will play them all (subject to cross-domain security requests, etc). For statistics, the most recent consumer audit took place in June, before Flash Player 9 was available for the general public, and so they measured up to FP8. jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
Hello Flashcoders, I'm a bit confused with waterfall of all these new terms :-). Can't find all answers at the Adobe site so far... As far as I can judge, current Flash version is 8, but - on product and Version Penetration pages it's 8 - latest Flash Player offered is v.9 - you're discussing AS3 and even Flash 9 IDE here in the list So, can anyone clarify the current situation with Flash versions? What about expected in the nearest future (till the end of 2006)? Please excuse me if this question seems dumb for you. -- Best regards, GregoryN http://GOusable.com Flash components development. Usability services. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash 7,8,9 , AS 2 and 3 - clarify the situation
Gregory, The latest Flash IDE is the Flash 8 IDE. The latest Flash Player is Flash Player 9. The Flash 9 IDE is currently in public alpha test, and can be downloaded from http://labs.adobe.com/ (You need a valid Flash 8 IDE serial number to run it though). The new IDE is expected to be released early 2007 as far as i heard, and supports AS3 as well as AS1 and 2. Then there is Flex Builder 2 and the Flex 2 SDK, which were released recently. The Flex 2 SDK is free, you can download it from the Adobe site. It contains the Flex 2 framework, AS3 and MXML commandline compilers and a commandline debugger. The Flex Builder 2 is an Eclipse based IDE that allows you to develop in AS3 and in MXML (or a combination thereof). Both can't be used to develop in AS1 and 2. Flex Builder 2 and the Flex 2 SDK tend to target software developers, whereas the Flash 9 IDE tends to target designers (allthough the line is becoming blurry). Cheers, Claus. ps: seems labs.adobe.com is down at the moment, or is it just me? GregoryN wrote: Hello Flashcoders, I'm a bit confused with waterfall of all these new terms :-). Can't find all answers at the Adobe site so far... As far as I can judge, current Flash version is 8, but - on product and Version Penetration pages it's 8 - latest Flash Player offered is v.9 - you're discussing AS3 and even Flash 9 IDE here in the list So, can anyone clarify the current situation with Flash versions? What about expected in the nearest future (till the end of 2006)? Please excuse me if this question seems dumb for you. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
