RE: [Flashcoders] Flash lite 2.0 download
You mean there are more countries outside of the US? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Burrer Sent: 12 January 2006 22:54 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash lite 2.0 download I just called Adobe Australia Customer support. Apparently it is not possible to purchase the Flash Lite Player outside of the US. Maybe it would be a good idea to a make a product accessible worldwide before advertising it on the website ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Burrer Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2006 9:33 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash lite 2.0 download Hi there, I was trying to download the flash new flash lite player for my Nokia 6670 yesterday. However adobe/macromedia website always linked me to the American products store. Even though I have a Macromedia account the order form would not accept my Australian address. I could not find the flash Lite player on the Asia Pacific website either. How annoying is that? Anybody found a way to download the player outside the US? Can you at least purchase it over the phone? Robin ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 phone list
Does anybody know about any plans for Palm OS flash player? On 1/12/06, Nick Gerig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The majority of Non-Nokia devices listed are Japanese handsets with FL1.1 or FL1.0 preinstalled. - All the phones that could be supported using the current technology once distribution deals with the manufacturers are sorted out No - any phones there are because the deals have already been done - All the phones that the current player will run on once the current testing period is over. I assumed FL2.0 is final and only the IDE extension is pre-release software - All the phones that the Flash Lite 2.0 player could be ported to if someone pays Macrobe to do it. FL2.0 could be ported to literally any phone if someone pays :) Which of these applies will make a big difference to the speed of adoption - if the current player will be released for all these models in a few months then this could become quite big pretty quickly - otherwise its going to take a while. The issue currently is that is that although there is a long list of Nokias that FL will run on, will a player ever be distributed for those phones? The short answer is that unless the old MM policy has changed with Adobe - NO! Nokia will distribute the FL player in its emerging handsets, in fact it has already started in Asia with the N90, most probably worldwide with the N91 this month. But the older Nokia's will never get a FL player unless someone pays for it. IMHO this is a massive hit that only the developer community and consumers take, even if it does also have a slight impact on the growth of the FL content market which is still pretty immature outside Japan. The only situation where older Nokias will get FL2 is where a service provide/operator decides to license the player for its customers with existing Nokia handsets, however that is not necessarily a smooth process because each player is IMEI tied and therefore cumbersome to deliver OTA. Hope that helps a little. cheers Nick ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 phone list
Well I've installed the Flash Lite 2.0 and one of the more interesting parts is the long list of possible Test Devices. Now it shows you the Nokia ones which are on the website, but greyed out there are also about 15 different phone manufacturers and a long list of phones, including even some extra Nokia ones. Presumably this is a list of all the existing Symbian phones. Now as far as I can see this list could be - All the phones that could be supported using the current technology once distribution deals with the manufacturers are sorted out - All the phones that the current player will run on once the current testing period is over. - All the phones that the Flash Lite 2.0 player could be ported to if someone pays Macrobe to do it. Which of these applies will make a big difference to the speed of adoption - if the current player will be released for all these models in a few months then this could become quite big pretty quickly - otherwise its going to take a while. Can anyone shed any light on this? Cheers Joe ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 phone list
The majority of Non-Nokia devices listed are Japanese handsets with FL1.1 or FL1.0 preinstalled. - All the phones that could be supported using the current technology once distribution deals with the manufacturers are sorted out No - any phones there are because the deals have already been done - All the phones that the current player will run on once the current testing period is over. I assumed FL2.0 is final and only the IDE extension is pre-release software - All the phones that the Flash Lite 2.0 player could be ported to if someone pays Macrobe to do it. FL2.0 could be ported to literally any phone if someone pays :) Which of these applies will make a big difference to the speed of adoption - if the current player will be released for all these models in a few months then this could become quite big pretty quickly - otherwise its going to take a while. The issue currently is that is that although there is a long list of Nokias that FL will run on, will a player ever be distributed for those phones? The short answer is that unless the old MM policy has changed with Adobe - NO! Nokia will distribute the FL player in its emerging handsets, in fact it has already started in Asia with the N90, most probably worldwide with the N91 this month. But the older Nokia's will never get a FL player unless someone pays for it. IMHO this is a massive hit that only the developer community and consumers take, even if it does also have a slight impact on the growth of the FL content market which is still pretty immature outside Japan. The only situation where older Nokias will get FL2 is where a service provide/operator decides to license the player for its customers with existing Nokia handsets, however that is not necessarily a smooth process because each player is IMEI tied and therefore cumbersome to deliver OTA. Hope that helps a little. cheers Nick ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash lite 2.0 download
I just called Adobe Australia Customer support. Apparently it is not possible to purchase the Flash Lite Player outside of the US. Maybe it would be a good idea to a make a product accessible worldwide before advertising it on the website ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Burrer Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2006 9:33 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash lite 2.0 download Hi there, I was trying to download the flash new flash lite player for my Nokia 6670 yesterday. However adobe/macromedia website always linked me to the American products store. Even though I have a Macromedia account the order form would not accept my Australian address. I could not find the flash Lite player on the Asia Pacific website either. How annoying is that? Anybody found a way to download the player outside the US? Can you at least purchase it over the phone? Robin ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
How's the speed, compared to J2ME and Python? It should be great to create a database of device's performance, just like www.jbenchmark.com . What do you think? On 1/6/06, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash Lite 2.0 just rocks! If you are dumb ass who doesn't really understand sh*t of Flash4/5 actionscript. Glad those setProperty() functions are deprecated. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
Flavio Ramos wrote: How's the speed, compared to J2ME and Python? I haven't really played much with J2ME and Python myself, yet... If I find any information about it I will let you noW! It should be great to create a database of device's performance, just like www.jbenchmark.com . What do you think? Always nice too have indeed for Flash! This way you might be able to see which phones would be able to play your game or Flash Lite application in ease. Yours, Weyert de Boer ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
Flash Lite 2.0 just rocks! If you are dumb ass who doesn't really understand sh*t of Flash4/5 actionscript. Glad those setProperty() functions are deprecated. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
It says it is £6 on the UK site, athough it appears as £5.99 in the cart =D It refunds the £5.99 though like in the US. On 3 Jan 2006, at 20:10, Sara Spalding wrote: Just to clarify: * fl2 is free for developers who download the flash pro update from labs. Note that this is limited time offer. For everyone else, it's $10, for all the reasons that jesse mentioned * we require the device id to prevent people from downloading it once and installing it on lots of phone. Have fun and show us what you build! I saw Jesse's flickr app and think it's great! -Sara -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:55 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 Thx Jesse - suppose it makes some sense when you put it that way. Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:10 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 This is an ld debate. I can't find the context weblog links but basically: - normal consumers wouldn't buy FlashLite from the Macromedia.com store. It would come pre-installed on their phones like Flash Lite 1.1 does already on some. - Macromedia has a different business model around Flash Lite. They make bling licensing it; go check out their financial reports. - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 Wow, they're *selling* the player? Stupid move IMO. Also the store download page before you purchase says: This product is not refundable. The player is offered as is. And, you have to give them the serial number of the phone in order to buy the player. Perhaps for good reason, but some people are probably going to be concerned with privacy issues. So much for penetrating the market any further. Really bizarre. Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com NOTICE: This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this e-mail by you is prohibited. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
I can't test because it's not compatible with my phone. :( I'm worried about the player performance. Does anyone have anything to say about it? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
Player? Great. My phone? Slow, and no ram. My Alienware pawnz my Nokia 6680. 2 gigs of RAM vs. 1 meg just isn't a comparison really... I mean, it's not Flash's fault. The fact it actually runs pretty well in 1 meg of RAM cap is neat! Max fps I can get is 15. - Original Message - From: Flavio Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 I can't test because it's not compatible with my phone. :( I'm worried about the player performance. Does anyone have anything to say about it? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
It's actually free currently if you go through the checkout process, you'll see it subtracts the full price form the total, equaling $0. - Original Message - From: Joe Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 For those of you who haven't seen it. Macromedia/Adobe have announced the release of Flash Lite 2.0 http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/ As far as I can see this means - You can now develop Flash 7 content for mobile phones (and maybe other devices) - You can download a player for several phones - all Nokia for some reason but it will cost you $10 per phone - You can download an authoring externsion for Flash 8 from labs.macromedia.com (for free I think). This all looks like pretty good news apart from the $10 player fee which seems a bit bizarre given that for flash to beat Java in the mobile world its got to get its penetration up. I would have thought a better way of making money would be to charge for the authoring environment or player upgrades once the public has got used to Flash on phones. It is possible that Macromedia/Adobe is offering discounts to phone companies to bundle the player on their handsets so that you'll be able to buy handsets with the player ready installed, but we'll have to wait and see. Still it all sounds pretty exciting, I might have replace my 5 year old phone with a new Nokia now... Joe ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
Wow, they're *selling* the player? Stupid move IMO. Also the store download page before you purchase says: This product is not refundable. The player is offered as is. And, you have to give them the serial number of the phone in order to buy the player. Perhaps for good reason, but some people are probably going to be concerned with privacy issues. So much for penetrating the market any further. Really bizarre. Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com NOTICE: This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this e-mail by you is prohibited. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
This is an ld debate. I can't find the context weblog links but basically: - normal consumers wouldn't buy FlashLite from the Macromedia.com store. It would come pre-installed on their phones like Flash Lite 1.1 does already on some. - Macromedia has a different business model around Flash Lite. They make bling licensing it; go check out their financial reports. - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 Wow, they're *selling* the player? Stupid move IMO. Also the store download page before you purchase says: This product is not refundable. The player is offered as is. And, you have to give them the serial number of the phone in order to buy the player. Perhaps for good reason, but some people are probably going to be concerned with privacy issues. So much for penetrating the market any further. Really bizarre. Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com NOTICE: This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this e-mail by you is prohibited. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
From: JesterXL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:53 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0 It's actually free currently if you go through the checkout process, you'll see it subtracts the full price form the total, equaling $0. Tried installing it on my N-Gage. No joy. Looks like I'll need to upgrade phones to use it :( --- John Hattan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gamedev.net - more 1's and 0's than you can shake a stick at ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
JesterXL wrote: This is an ld debate. I can't find the context weblog links but basically: - normal consumers wouldn't buy FlashLite from the Macromedia.com store. It would come pre-installed on their phones like Flash Lite 1.1 does already on some. - Macromedia has a different business model around Flash Lite. They make bling licensing it; go check out their financial reports. Yep, I can't wait for more previews in this new year :-) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
Well, it works fine on my Nokia 6681. Are their any limitations about the amount of times your can redownload a product from the online store? Normally I buy my software at TechData to get a nice retail box for on the bookcloset. Hmm, time to fix my bluetooth on my Windows notebook... ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite 2.0
Merrill, Jason wrote: Wow, they're *selling* the player? Stupid move IMO. Well, we should always examine all possibilites, but somehow ;-) For you, use Labs. Like Jesse said, the download cost for developers is nullified at the Store, once you get the authoring kit. (I think the $10 is there just to reserve a slot in the Store, although I haven't seen specific documentation on this yet.) For consumers, we want to get Players embedded in their device automatically... we don't want lots of consumers trying to install things on their phones then asking how to do it on their varied devices. (Free installations into consumers' computer browsers is much easier, yet still confuses many.) The consumer experience is better when it just works, when they take the phone out of the box. Also the store download page before you purchase says: This product is not refundable. The player is offered as is. And, you have to give them the serial number of the phone in order to buy the player. Perhaps for good reason, but some people are probably going to be concerned with privacy issues. The software is keyed to the device type, which is why we need to know what device they'd like to install into. This is another reason why there's heavy work on getting standard capabilities embedded into each device at the factory. jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
