Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
I was answering a specific statement. Read Ryanm's entry, I believe it was quoted in my response. It stated that all platforms with IE7 would be able to consume Avalon web apps. Apparently IE7 will carry the .NET runtime as part of the application. There is no IE7 for Mac. Isaac On Oct 9, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Weyert de Boer wrote: You can't yet know how Microsoft will implementate Avalon for MacOSX :-) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
Searched Google for Avalon Mac (2nd link) 3rd paragraph: http://www.betanews.com/article/Avalon_Extended_to_Mac_Web_Devices/1126898869 (3rd link) First sentence: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/javaben/archive/2005/09/avalon_everywhe.html I've read other blogs that have cited sources, and gone into more detail about how Windows Presentation Foundation (formerly known as Avalon) would port to other systems, but not much good tech details. If you wish to read more, follow the rest of Google's links or search the blogs which have already covered this. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
Isaac Rivera wrote: But we CAN see how it has so far gone with .NET. No official port for Mac. And that has been out for several years. Yes, but .NET is realloy nice if you ask me. MS really did a good job with the .NET framework. Avalon will probably not be implemented for Mac at all. Nor other platforms (OSes) which means it will not be a realistic platform for web, as opposed to Flash... or Java. At the PDC last month MS announced something different: 'Another interesting announcement here at PDC is that Microsoft is creating a subset of their cool, fancy pants UI layer (formerly code-named Avalon, now WPF) on other platforms, including the Mac! In fact, one of the demos involved showing vector graphics rendered in Safari using a Microsoft plug-in. This subset, called WPF/E, will be powered by XAML (their XML dialect for representing the UI) and JavaScript. Sound familiar? Yes, that's right -- Microsoft also announced a Dashboard clone for Windows Vista. Interesting... Microsoft will never port .NET to other major operating systems, but to have a subset of Avalon available on other platforms is a bit of a curveball. In fact, in light of Firefox and Safari's upcoming support of SVG and Canvas (and in the future, 3D functionality), this move makes sense; Microsoft wants to provide their own proprietary solution to cut off this new cross-platform initiative. (source: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/javaben/archive/2005/09/avalon_everywhe.html) This really sounds positive, don't you think? XAML is nice. Isaac On Oct 9, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Weyert de Boer wrote: Yes, but it's not sure how the Avalon stuff will be implementated for the MacOSX. It's only known it will be implementated for Avalon. If I recall directrly it's not /even/ known which parts of Avalon _will_ be supported under MacOSX. Oh well, this is so 2006 ;-) No need to talk about this any further -- we just don't know it yet. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
How does that work on the Mac? Jim Kremens On 10/8/05, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see the relationship between the .NET part of the statement and the possibility of cross-platform part. .NET apps can be *consumed* from any platform. ryanm ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
How does that work on the Mac? Go to any site developed with .NET on a mac, and it'll work. ryanm ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
Mono runs under MacOSX (www.go-mono.org) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
Yeah... that is a **HUGE** difference. Typically when people talk about .net they are talking about the whole managed environment. Saying that anyone can consume .net apps is like saying that someone without java can consume jsp apps. Its not the same thing as being able to run java code client side. Hank On 10/8/05, Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you need to distinguish between the .NET runtime, and ASP.NET. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] ryanm wrote: How does that work on the Mac? Go to any site developed with .NET on a mac, and it'll work. ryanm ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
Yes, .NET web applications running on MS can be consumed from any platform, But I believe the point he was making was regarding Avalon apps. Isn't Avalon for developing desktop apps? That is the point I was talking about. Isaac On Oct 8, 2005, at 1:38 PM, ryanm wrote: I fail to see the relationship between the .NET part of the statement and the possibility of cross-platform part. .NET apps can be *consumed* from any platform. ryanm ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
The discussion of JVM and .NET runtimes makes me wonder whether Flash will ever really compete with them. How much faster is the new Virtual Machine? Whatever the increase, does it put us in the realm of, say, Java regarding speed? If not, how far off? Jim Kremens On 10/8/05, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isaac Rivera wrote: I know that MS has stated that they would port .NET to ALL platforms. Let's see. Until there is an official, up to date, fully capable, Darwin port, there is an even better alternative than mono... JVM can be developed and deployed everywhere with community-approved products. Too bad you need to use Java for JVM at the moment. :=) Of course Cocoa is a good option too and just drop Windows etc. g ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
Isaac Rivera wrote: I would say all too common... when it comes to MS... Yeah... anyway the Mono project is still active! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
He countered with his statement only because you appended it to this thread.. If you were not trying to draw parallel lines then why add it to this thread? Not sure whatyou're talking about, but here is the pertinent thread history: On 10/6/05, Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Except, i didn't say that Flash 9 (or whatever it is called), will be out in a year. Historically the release cycles for Flash have been 18 - 24 months. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/ 06/05, Rich Rodecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: hmmm... http://in.sys-con.com/read/137310.htm And I replied to that. ryanm ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
I wish this would make sense to me. Either this is really obvious or I'm baffled. Flash 8 just came out Flash Alpha (next version NOT allowed to be called Flash 9 for some reason) is coming out in the spring of 2006 and will be available free to the public or current Flash 8 users Flash Alpha final (after alpha and beta) will be shipped in the first half of next year (2006) julyish Flash 8 users will have to buy Flash Alpha Was Flash 8 really Flash 7.5 so it could be included in the new Macromedia Studio? Does this have to do with the whole unsyncronized thing or the Adobe merger/rebranding? I'm just trying to understand this. Maybe translate into ActionScript 2.0. ;) Judah David Mendels wrote: Hello, Alpha at MAX on Oct 17. Final shipment in the first half of next calander year. -David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:47 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0 Yeah, I know, I was just guessing since if you have an alpha in the spring, I couldn't figure how the final version wouldn't be out until 2007, but what do I know. This is really exciting stuff. Jason Merrill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Chambers Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:19 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0 Yes. Except, i didn't say that Flash 9 (or whatever it is called), will be out in a year. Historically the release cycles for Flash have been 18 - 24 months. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Merrill, Jason wrote: Thanks Darron and Cortlandt - that makes more sense now. So if I have this right, in the spring, we get an alpha version of a partial Flash 9 which has AS3 to play with, but this is nothing to buy, just to test in the 8.5 player. The next update to Flash will NOT be a dot release, it will be Flash 9 with AS3 which will be available to purchase maybe a year or so from now. So this is a somewhat shorter development cycle than usual. Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cortlandt Winters Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:52 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0 Hi Jason I think the next full version of flash authoring will be flash9, and that an early alpha might be availble in the spring, but there will be no QA'd update to 8 to support As3. You can probably put this in the context of MM will be Adobe soon, so that even if they wanted to just support an as3 update to flash8, it would probably be a logistical nightmare. So whatever is available in the spring it will be a part of the next release of the authoring environment, not a free update to the current release. I'm not an MM employee, but that's how I read it. -Cort On 10/6/05, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Chambers, can you clarify? Judah wrote: Could you clarify what Flash Authoring is and what the next full version of authoring is? So Mike Chambers replied: Flash Professional 8 Just to clarify. There is no update for Flash Professional 8 planned. But Mike Chambers also wrote: There will be an early alpha of the next full version of authoring that includes ActionScript 3 support. This will be available in the spring. So now I'm really confused! Those sound like contradictory statements. If Flash Authoring = Flash 8 (Flash IDE) and the next full version of authoring will be available in the spring, then how can no update for Flash be planned? Is this authoring you're referring to NOT the Flash IDE? Can you clarify what this thing is that will be released in the spring or at least explain the contradiction? Thanks. Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.comhttp://icfconsulting.com NOTICE: This message
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
Mike Chambers schrieb: We have determined pricing yet, although it will be priced as a desktop IDE (i.e. less that $1000). mike chambers let me clear one thing: doea this mean 1000$ for Zorn and what about the Server part ? sorr yi din't get it ... micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0
...and you don't have to pay for Alpha; if you have Flash 8, you're good to go from what I've read. - Original Message - From: Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0 I think your mixing Flex Builder 2 alpha with Flash IDE 9 alpha. Fex Builder 2.0 alpha -- october 17 Flex Builder 2.0 final -- first half 2006 Flash 9 alpha -- spring 2006 Flash 9 final -- when its ready. Muzak - Original Message - From: Judah Frangipane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash player 8.5 and ActionScript 3.0 I wish this would make sense to me. Either this is really obvious or I'm baffled. Flash 8 just came out Flash Alpha (next version NOT allowed to be called Flash 9 for some reason) is coming out in the spring of 2006 and will be available free to the public or current Flash 8 users Flash Alpha final (after alpha and beta) will be shipped in the first half of next year (2006) julyish Flash 8 users will have to buy Flash Alpha Was Flash 8 really Flash 7.5 so it could be included in the new Macromedia Studio? Does this have to do with the whole unsyncronized thing or the Adobe merger/rebranding? I'm just trying to understand this. Maybe translate into ActionScript 2.0. ;) Judah ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
