Re: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-26 Thread Andreas Rønning
Perhaps windows hardware is a better term. You probably knew what i meant. My response was to someone claiming it was a good way to put 3d on the web. If i had a GENERAL dislike of whatever the hell let you put 3d on a screen i'd have bigger problems than sparkle. Hell i do C# at work, and

Re: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-26 Thread ryanm
My entire point is cluttering the web is bad, can't believe you didn't see that. Or perhaps you just havent read the entire thread i dunno :) Sure, but for every new technology, 10 people will use it well, and 1000 will use it to clutter the web. Remember the blink tag? It's just the nature

Re: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-26 Thread Mike Duguid
For all the 3d naysayers, perhaps you were the same guys that said a few years back that there was no place for video on the internet, no place for applications on the internet. Perhaps there's no place for telephony on the internet and I'm just imagining skype and the coming wave of

Re: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-26 Thread Mike Britton
Agreed, well put. Mike ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders

Re: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Michael Stuhr
Calv J schrieb: Sorry if someone already sent this in (I'm in digest mode and haven't seen it mentioned yet) - but you can download sparkle preview release: does this help me with my bad coding skills ? micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list

RE: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Nick Weekes
Hehe no ;-) Its pretty buggy too, so Id wait for a more stable build before evaluating... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Stuhr Sent: 25 January 2006 09:02 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Microsoft

Re: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Michael Stuhr
Nick Weekes schrieb: Hehe no ;-) Its pretty buggy too, so Id wait for a more stable build before evaluating... so why does someone post it to this list ? micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com

SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread David Skoglund
so why does someone post it to this list ? Since it's going to be a direct competitor/alternative to Flash, and since it's pushed by Microsoft. Wether you like it or not you'll need to keep your eyes on what happening over there. Personally I think it's great to finally see a promising new

Re: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Andreas Rønning
I couldn't give less of a crap about putting 3d on the web, and i'm pretty sure the average consumer agrees with me. Content rules. I seem to recall Shockwave 3d not ever really taking off, and if 3d is the only thing sparkle has over Flash it ain't gonna do much good as a competitor. -

Re: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Toon Van de Putte
3D on the web is a niche market at best. So are all '3d desktop' metaphors. It doesn't simplify the user experience one bit, quite to the contrary. As long as computer screens are flat surfaces, 3D desktop interfaces and 3d websites will never have the ease of use, flexibility and editability of a

SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread David Skoglund
of features beside this 3d-part. Intresting times ahead! /David -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Andreas Rønning Skickat: den 25 januari 2006 10:58 Till: Flashcoders mailing list Ämne: Re: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle I couldn't give less

RE: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Nick Weekes
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Skoglund Sent: 25 January 2006 10:26 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle OK, you maybe YOU don't care much for it, but a RIA-platform needs to be flexible as possible and give the developers as much freedom as possible. Content

Re: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Andreas Rønning
To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle OK, you maybe YOU don't care much for it, but a RIA-platform needs to be flexible as possible and give the developers as much freedom as possible. Content rules, but why restrict content to 2d? I'm not talking about wacky 3d

RE: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Adrian Lynch
Rønning Sent: 25 January 2006 11:46 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle Sparkle doesn't supply decent 3d. xaml 3d is little more than vrml 2006. It's not even a step in the right direction, it's just an excuse to use directx online, and frankly, putting

Re: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Andreas Rønning
To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle Sparkle doesn't supply decent 3d. xaml 3d is little more than vrml 2006. It's not even a step in the right direction, it's just an excuse to use directx online, and frankly, putting directx online is a shit idea that dilutes

Re: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread elibol
Hi friends, I agree with Adrian, polar extremes never solve anything, they cause people to take sides and bicker endlessly. I can see it happening already. An opinion free approach would be most intelligent, there is no telling what you will run into if you give your presuppositions a rest. The

Re: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Marc Hoffman
I'd have to agree with elibol. And, just as a reminder, here are some famously wrong expert predictions about what would or wouldn't happen in our industry:Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 I think

Re: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread elibol
Hi Andreas, To clarify, my statement was not directed at you only, but I can say that it certainly did include you. On the topic of opinion, I agree that an opinion free approach is dangerous to the ignorant, but only dangerous in this situation if we're to say that we're all ignorant as

Re: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread ryanm
i've read specs, watched demonstrations, i've TRIED to be excited, but all i can tell is that it's another proprietary tech trying to cash in on a growing market. Which specs did you read and which demos did you watch? Certainly not the same ones I've read and watched. First of all Sparkle

Re: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread Martin Wood
Oh, and your rant about forcing people to use PC hardware, WTF? What platform *doesn't* use PC hardware these days? you mean intel chips? or the usual pc architecture? things like phones and other mobile devices, non microsoft gaming platforms for example. anyway, its a sparkle thread

Re: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle

2006-01-25 Thread ryanm
you mean intel chips? or the usual pc architecture? things like phones and other mobile devices, non microsoft gaming platforms for example. I don't know, he said it, I was just responding to it. The quote was: As long as they use their tools, and make their customers conform to PC