Re: [Flashcoders] Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Fl ash And Betting The Company On HTML5″
I bet their site was designed in Photoshop and then put together in dream weaver. Oh wait... guess they were to lazy to build it themselves and used a word press template (which was designed in PS and put together in DW). It appears the ubar uneducated religious went atheist but still needed a martyr to wave their pitchforks at. That martyr is flash and their golden cow is Apple. Ignorance is bliss for them but it's hella annoying for me. On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Matt S. wrote: > If you've followed TechCrunch coverage of the Adobe vs Apple wars, > this is pretty much part for the course for their journalism, > unfortunately. Not only do they have a clear horse in this race but > they dont even pretend to be covering it objectively, shilling for > Apple at every turn and screeching about the evils of Adobe and > celebrating its impending demise. > > .m > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Yousif Masoud > wrote: > > I really don't understand the relevance of the first part of this > sentence, > > looks like a paid advert to me. > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Fl ash And Betting The Company On HTML5″
If you've followed TechCrunch coverage of the Adobe vs Apple wars, this is pretty much part for the course for their journalism, unfortunately. Not only do they have a clear horse in this race but they dont even pretend to be covering it objectively, shilling for Apple at every turn and screeching about the evils of Adobe and celebrating its impending demise. .m On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Yousif Masoud wrote: > I really don't understand the relevance of the first part of this sentence, > looks like a paid advert to me. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Fl ash And Betting The Company On HTML5″
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Matt S. wrote: > Warning: Typical TechCrunch hyberbole and schadenfreude ahead. > > > Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Company On HTML5″ > Read more: > http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/05/scribd-html5/?qfds#ixzz0nBF5BxSv > I agree with your first statement. "Adobe’s much-beleaguered Flash is about to take another hit and online documents are finally going to join the Web on a more equal footing." ... "Today, most documents (PDFs, Word docs, Powerpoint slides) can mostly be viewed only as boxed off curiosities in a Flash player, not as full Web pages." They've clearly not seen the issuu Flash document viewer / haven't heard of the full screen feature (not perfect, but their statement is inaccurate), "boxed off curiosities" can be a very useful thing if the document is part of content ( a supporting piece etc) and not the main spectacle. I mean, it will also be a "boxed off curiosity" in HTML5 if users simply want to embed it within their blog. "Not only will these documents look great on the iPad’s no-Flash browser (see screenshots), but it will bring the richness of fonts and graphics from documents to native Web pages." I really don't understand the relevance of the first part of this sentence, looks like a paid advert to me. The second part is the only [partially] valid point in the entire article. No one is perfect, there are always trade-offs to be made when choosing a platform. "Documents will simply become very long Web pages. A new bookmark feature will help you keep your place in especially long documents." I am currently developing a similar feature in Flash. I store the character index of a selected location and enable the user to make a comment on it. Users can easily jump between these "points". This isn't very hard to do. "Scribd’s documents will be especially iPad friendly. Instead of downloading a book from Apple’s iBooks store or Amazon’s Kindle app, you can see if an electronic version is on Scribd and read it in your browser." Irrelevant. These are not valid reasons for favoring HTML5 over Flash. "Pinch and zoom to make the text bigger. No download necessary." I don't see the relevance of the first part. For the second part, in Flash, there are two ways you can transfer the document, one is to store it in the browser cache (downloading is clearly happening) or you can "stream" the documents [in which case they're right]. If the documents are going to be long Web pages, then surely, certain aspects of the documents are going to end up in the cache, in that case, No Download necessary is misleading. I know the point they're trying to make, but, technically, the statement is inaccurate. "Scribd’s currently uses a Flash player much like YouTube’s to allow people to upload and view documents on the Web. But with HTML5 standards now making their way through not browsers, there is little reason to do that. “Right now the document is in a box,” says Friedman, “a Youtube-type of experience. There is a bunch of content and a bunch of stuff around it. In the new experience we are taking the content out of the box.”" Trying to compare Scribd document viewer to YouTube video player is beyond me. Enough said. In the new experience, you're taking content out of one box and putting it in another. "Friedman has ben [sic] working secretly on this project for the last six months. You can tell he’s excited about it. He believes the Web is finally ready to ditch Flash for documents. Unlike video players, the parts of the HTML5 standard that impact documents have to do with support for fonts, vector graphics, and rotating text." The blatant spelling error in the first sentence demonstrates quite clearly that this article was not reviewed properly. Besides being a paid advert for a completely useless device, this article offers no solid technical reason to ditch Flash in document delivery systems. Seriously, how many business documents / books / articles in general have you seen that have rotating text in them? I have had to deal with such creatures (once in an entire year), and it is possible to do so in Flash, however, this isn't a compelling reason to abruptly switch platforms. "HTML5 documents will still be embeddable in other sites using an iFrame." So if they're embeddable as Flash, they're a "boxed off curiosity", but if they're embeddable as an iFrame, they're not. Need I say more? I am looking forward to HTML5. I am playing around with it and I must admit, I love it. I strongly believe that switching platforms should be a decision I need to make for sound technical reasons or to cater for user demand. I certainly do not believe that we should "ditch" Flash just because certain companies do not like it. That doesn't make any sense. As long as the plugin is in widespread use, it should be supported. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chatt
Re: [Flashcoders] Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Fl ash And Betting The Company On HTML5″
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Steve Mathews wrote: > Right tool for the job? IMO Flash has never been that great at displaying > documents. > I've been using Flash to display document for just over a year now, I must admit, I didn't (and still don't) think it is inappropriate. I'm currently working on an AIR App and I must say, development so far has been really enjoyable. I use a [customized] version of swftool's pdf2swf to convert documents and the iText Library to optimize PDF documents for online rendering. So far so good. File sizes are relatively small and the experience is very fluid and comfortable. There are plenty of features you can add to a flash document viewer to improve the document viewing experience. I will agree with the statement that Flash was probably not envisioned to display documents when it was first created, but can I ask you to corroborate your statement above with specific issues you've encountered. I'm more than happy to stand corrected. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Fl ash And Betting The Company On HTML5″
I wasn't much of a fan of the scribd docs. Not easy to search out your keywords. Different tool for different jobs. With a different view, this could be competing directly with apple since you can get some of the same content w/o paying for it through the app store? Who knows... On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Steve Mathews wrote: > Right tool for the job? IMO Flash has never been that great at displaying > documents. > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Matt S. wrote: > > > Warning: Typical TechCrunch hyberbole and schadenfreude ahead. > > > > > > Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Company On HTML5″ > > Read more: > > http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/05/scribd-html5/?qfds#ixzz0nBF5BxSv > > > > ___ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Fl ash And Betting The Company On HTML5″
Right tool for the job? IMO Flash has never been that great at displaying documents. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Matt S. wrote: > Warning: Typical TechCrunch hyberbole and schadenfreude ahead. > > > Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Company On HTML5″ > Read more: > http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/05/scribd-html5/?qfds#ixzz0nBF5BxSv > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
