RE: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
We are currently looking for a senior flash developer The Salary is between 35K - 40K. Yeah, good luck with that. It's a seller's market right now. I wouldn't take a senior level position for less than $US 85K a year. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Umm, wasn't that poster British? On 12/20/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are currently looking for a senior flash developer The Salary is between 35K - 40K. Yeah, good luck with that. It's a seller's market right now. I wouldn't take a senior level position for less than $US 85K a year. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- T. Michael Keesey Director of Technology Exopolis, Inc. 2894 Rowena Avenue Ste. B Los Angeles, California 90039 -- The Dinosauricon: http://dino.lm.com Parry Carney: http://parryandcarney.com ISPN Forum: http://www.phylonames.org/forum/ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
um, yeah, 35-40k is some seriously junior developer, maybe even production artist money. not criticizing, just saying, be careful what you wish for. On 12/20/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are currently looking for a senior flash developer The Salary is between 35K - 40K. Yeah, good luck with that. It's a seller's market right now. I wouldn't take a senior level position for less than $US 85K a year. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Yeah, good luck with that. It's a seller's market right now. I wouldn't take a senior level position for less than $US 85K a year. I think that was 35-40k in the UK - so not USD and not as bad as it sounds. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
40k GBP ~= 78k USD On 12/20/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, good luck with that. It's a seller's market right now. I wouldn't take a senior level position for less than $US 85K a year. I think that was 35-40k in the UK - so not USD and not as bad as it sounds. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
ah, i didnt realize the difference was that great. On 12/20/06, nelson ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 40k GBP ~= 78k USD On 12/20/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, good luck with that. It's a seller's market right now. I wouldn't take a senior level position for less than $US 85K a year. I think that was 35-40k in the UK - so not USD and not as bad as it sounds. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Bloody Ammys. The world doesn't revolve around you :-P On 12/20/06, Rich Rodecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, i didnt realize the difference was that great. On 12/20/06, nelson ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 40k GBP ~= 78k USD On 12/20/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, good luck with that. It's a seller's market right now. I wouldn't take a senior level position for less than $US 85K a year. I think that was 35-40k in the UK - so not USD and not as bad as it sounds. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html World: #1 Moscow, #2 Seoul, #3 Tokyo, #4 Hong Kong, #5 London USA: #10 New York, #29 Los Angeles, #34 San Francisco As of 2006, London is one of the most expensive places to live in the world. It's #1 among Western cities, #5 overall. According to online COL calculators, if you got paid $80K USD per year in NYC, the equivalent pay in London would be roughly $93K USD. NYC is the most expensive city to live in in the US, though. If you got paid $80K USD per year in San Francisco, another expensive city in the US, the equivalent pay in London would be roughly $123K USD. Reverse the math from London at $80K. NYC: $69K, SF: $52K Both of which are far less than what a senior level flash dev should be making in this market. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Reverse the math from London at $80K. NYC: $69K, SF: $52K Both of which are far less than what a senior level flash dev should be making in this market. thats why i dont live in london anymore :) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Reverse the math from London at $80K. NYC: $69K, SF: $52K Both of which are far less than what a senior level flash dev should be making in this market. It doesn't work that way. You don't spend all your salary on rent, food and restaurants. Computers, cars and so on typically cost about the same as elsewhere in the country. And don't forget you (hopefully) don't actually spend all of your salary, but save some for retirement, which could be anywhere. Also, the page you linked to links to another study, where London is only at 100.5 (NYC: 100): http://www.citymayors.com/economics/expensive_cities2.html Maybe London is full of qualified Senior Actionscript Developers who just don't feel like moving to NYC. Who knows. Mark On 12/21/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html World: #1 Moscow, #2 Seoul, #3 Tokyo, #4 Hong Kong, #5 London USA: #10 New York, #29 Los Angeles, #34 San Francisco As of 2006, London is one of the most expensive places to live in the world. It's #1 among Western cities, #5 overall. According to online COL calculators, if you got paid $80K USD per year in NYC, the equivalent pay in London would be roughly $93K USD. NYC is the most expensive city to live in in the US, though. If you got paid $80K USD per year in San Francisco, another expensive city in the US, the equivalent pay in London would be roughly $123K USD. Reverse the math from London at $80K. NYC: $69K, SF: $52K Both of which are far less than what a senior level flash dev should be making in this market. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
On 12/20/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reverse the math from London at $80K. NYC: $69K, SF: $52K Both of which are far less than what a senior level flash dev should be making in this market. It doesn't work that way. You don't spend all your salary on rent, food and restaurants. Computers, cars and so on typically cost about the same as elsewhere in the country. And don't forget you (hopefully) don't actually spend all of your salary, but save some for retirement, which could be anywhere. City to city cost of living calculations/comparisons usually take an average and include all of those kinds of assumptions in them. Not that they are perfect (nothing could be), but they do consider those issues. Regards, Hank ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
well, really it's up to the individual to decide if they want to accept that salary or not, so really there's no point in arguing about it. On 12/20/06, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/20/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reverse the math from London at $80K. NYC: $69K, SF: $52K Both of which are far less than what a senior level flash dev should be making in this market. It doesn't work that way. You don't spend all your salary on rent, food and restaurants. Computers, cars and so on typically cost about the same as elsewhere in the country. And don't forget you (hopefully) don't actually spend all of your salary, but save some for retirement, which could be anywhere. City to city cost of living calculations/comparisons usually take an average and include all of those kinds of assumptions in them. Not that they are perfect (nothing could be), but they do consider those issues. Regards, Hank ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
right on rich! On 12/20/06, Rich Rodecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, really it's up to the individual to decide if they want to accept that salary or not, so really there's no point in arguing about it. On 12/20/06, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/20/06, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reverse the math from London at $80K. NYC: $69K, SF: $52K Both of which are far less than what a senior level flash dev should be making in this market. It doesn't work that way. You don't spend all your salary on rent, food and restaurants. Computers, cars and so on typically cost about the same as elsewhere in the country. And don't forget you (hopefully) don't actually spend all of your salary, but save some for retirement, which could be anywhere. City to city cost of living calculations/comparisons usually take an average and include all of those kinds of assumptions in them. Not that they are perfect (nothing could be), but they do consider those issues. Regards, Hank ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Jordan Snyder Applications Developer Image Action LLC http://www.imageaction.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
If you got paid $80K USD per year in San Francisco, another expensive city in the US Interesting that San Francisco ranks at #34 together with São Paulo. Uh? So, say if a senior Flash dev earns an average of US$ 80k, so should a senior Flash dev in São Paulo, right? That'd be R$ 168k, or about R$ 13k a month (13 salaries per year). I'm living in São Paulo, but i'm not working for local companies, so i might be wrong, but from what i hear senior Flash devs here rarely make more than R$ 5k a month, i even heard of Flex devs here that make less than R$ 3k. R$ 5k a month would roughly translate to US$ 31k a year. Never trust statistics that you didn't fake yourself. ;) Cheers, Claus. -- claus wahlers côdeazur brasil http://codeazur.com.br/ http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Interesting that San Francisco ranks at #34 together with São Paulo. Uh? So, say if a senior Flash dev earns an average of US$ 80k, so should a senior Flash dev in São Paulo, right? That'd be R$ 168k, or about R$ 13k a month (13 salaries per year). I'm living in São Paulo, but i'm not working for local companies, so i might be wrong, but from what i hear senior Flash devs here rarely make more than R$ 5k a month, i even heard of Flex devs here that make less than R$ 3k. R$ 5k a month would roughly translate to US$ 31k a year. Never trust statistics that you didn't fake yourself. ;) Agreed in that case. Sounds pretty off. Or maybe I'm just too cheap. :) Also, this looks pretty strange: http://www.citymayors.com/economics/expensive_cities2.html There's no way in hell Rio de Janeiro as a higher living cost than São Paulo. Also, SF is not listed there. There are two lists apparently? Anyways, there must be a lot that's not taken into consideration on those surveys, while some things might have a much bigger influence. For instance, in Brazil, for transportation (vehicles + fuel) and computer hardware, you'll be spending a lot more than you would in, say, USA or Europe; however, you'll be spending a lot less with housing, food, and clothes. So it's not something very easy to compare, specially if you use computers on your work (when much of your costs are the same all over the world, if not more expensive even when you're living on a 'cheaper' country). Zeh ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Claus Wahlers wrote: Never trust statistics that you didn't fake yourself. ;) Cheers, Claus. Kind of like the saying... It's not the figures that lie, it's the liars that figure. or my favourite... 87.93% of all statistics are made up on the spot. ;) heh heh, James James O'Reilly — Consultant Adobe Certified Flash Expert http://www.jamesor.com Design • Code • Train ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Ok, so you've pointed out the issues with the various online Cost Of Living Comparison Calculators I used to derive those numbers (I used two different ones and took the average). That's all well and good and I certainly can't defend any of the numbers since I was just putting them up as an example and I have no clue how accurate they are. I'm glad you pointed out the discrepancies, though. Keep in mind these aren't my figures. I wouldn't vouch for anything found on the internet, I was just passing it along as a rough estimate. The bottom line is it's a $78K USD/year position in one of the most expensive cities in the world. It's only less expensive than a few cities in Asia and is far more expensive than any city in the USA. Can we all agree on that and not bother with which city should be ranked 34? ;) The question at hand is whether you think $78,000 USD per year is a competitive salary for London. Given the current market demand for and the scarcity of truly Senior level Flash developers, I think it's a bit low, though I might negotiate for a little more for the opportunity to live in London for awhile if I had never been there. ;) ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Hi All. We are currently looking for a senior flash developer with 3+ years in AS2. Other beneficial technologies are Ajax, C#.NET, Java, HTML, Javascript. We are looking for somebody with a good understanding of software engineering practices as well as OOP, and Design patterns experience. You must be able to work in a team, and have very good communication skills, and be professional. The job is a in a software house, and you will be working directly beside me. The company is called GDCM, and the work is very exciting. The Salary is between 35K - 40K. We have flexitime, toil, share options, overtime, casual dress and the best coffee in all of London. We are based in Wandsworth. Email your CVs / Questions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Farid ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Senior Developer Posisition
Hi All. We are currently looking for a senior flash developer with 3+ years in AS2. Other beneficial technologies are Ajax, C#.NET, Java, HTML, Javascript. We are looking for somebody with a good understanding of software engineering practices as well as OOP, and Design patterns experience. You must be able to work in a team, and have very good communication skills, and be professional. The job is a in a software house, and you will be working directly beside me. The company is called GDCM, and the work is very exciting. The Salary is between 35K - 40K. We have flexitime, toil, share options, overtime, casual dress and the best coffee in all of London. We are based in Wandsworth. Email your CVs / Questions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Farid ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
