RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Gregory Boudreaux
gregb -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:26 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? Thanks guys for your

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Jim Lafser
that a developer can make in implementing the pattern. Jim From: Karina Steffens kar...@neo-archaic.net To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 9:53:34 AM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? In your

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Merrill, Jason
employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:40 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? Hi Jason

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Karina Steffens
Hi Jim, Thanks for another extensive reply, and getting the discussion back on the MVC track ;) Assuming that all the UI events created by one clock face (view) are included in the events on the other clock face (another view) and the events are defined by the business rules to have identical

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Steven Sacks
On 3/31/2010 7:32 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote: FlashDevelop - yes, you can code in AS2 - but if you want to compile without using the Flash IDE, you have to use the free Flex SDK, which means you have to use (well, I should say get to use) Actionscript 3.0. Incorrect. MTASC is used to compile

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:40 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? Hi Jason, Real quick question. Kind-of based off what you guys are talking about. I currently work in Flash

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Merrill, Jason
] What good is a Controller? On 3/31/2010 7:32 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote: FlashDevelop - yes, you can code in AS2 - but if you want to compile without using the Flash IDE, you have to use the free Flex SDK, which means you have to use (well, I should say get to use) Actionscript 3.0. Incorrect

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Merrill, Jason
Hey, if you're doing well with AS2, there's nothing wrong with that. It's not going away for a long time. I disagree with that - what happens when you lose your job and have to put your resume out there? And IMO, it's nearly almost gone away anyway. Sure Flash player supports it still, but

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
I tend to agree with Jason here, I am a freelancer and I have missed out on a lot of jobs because I am not an AS3 developer. Your probably right on the ease of use and the functionality of AS3 being better, otherwise what would be the use of creating AS3. Again, thanks for all your comments.

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
Good idea.. thx On Mar 31, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Ask questions here, like I used to do this in AS2, how do I do that in AS3? - also look at the migration guides - they will show you how everything changed. Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Mattheis, Erik (MIN - WSW)
...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:56 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? Thanks for that Kerry. I want to learn AS3, I really do, but it takes too much time away from

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
, 2010 4:56 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? Thanks for that Kerry. I want to learn AS3, I really do, but it takes too much time away from making money for me that I find myself missing out. :( I wish it was easier to make the transition, but then everyone

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Merrill, Jason
...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:08 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? I tend to agree with Jason here, I am a freelancer and I have missed out on a lot of jobs because

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Merrill, Jason
: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:25 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? LOL, I need one of those printed migration chart posters

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Taka Kojima
employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:08 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? I

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
, 2010 8:25 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? LOL, I need one of those printed migration chart posters to put on my wall. That would probably do it. :) Karl On Mar 31, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Mattheis, Erik (MIN - WSW) wrote: I didn't use AS3 until I had

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:08 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-31 Thread Merrill, Jason
List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? Hey, if you're doing well with AS2, there's nothing wrong with that. It's not going away for a long time. Jason is right, and to his point: The interactive industry is probably one of the the fastest changing industries in the world

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
reading through the docs for robot legs left me feeling a bit lost wth is [Inject] and why have i never heard of it before? a On 29 March 2010 23:54, Steven Sacks flash...@stevensacks.net wrote: MVC Public Service Announcement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91C7ax0UAAc If you want to learn

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Karina Steffens
[mailto:flashcoders- boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Steven Sacks Sent: 29 March 2010 11:55 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? MVC Public Service Announcement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91C7ax0UAAc If you want to learn about MVC

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Karina Steffens
else, since Flash would be handling presentation and logic. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders- boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Dave Watts Sent: 29 March 2010 6:04 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
[mailto:flashcoders- boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Dave Watts Sent: 29 March 2010 6:04 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? there is plenty of commentary out there to suggest that the controller is largely unnecessary

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Karina Steffens
-Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders- boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lafser Sent: 29 March 2010 6:37 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? When I've implemented MVC: * I have one

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Steven Sacks
If you know the basics of MVC, then you should be able to learn RobotLegs. [Inject] is SwiftSuspenders metadata, which RobotLegs uses. Just because it's foreign to you doesn't mean it's not worth learning. ___ Flashcoders mailing list

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Merrill, Jason
30, 2010 1:35 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? If you know the basics of MVC, then you should be able to learn RobotLegs. [Inject] is SwiftSuspenders metadata, which RobotLegs uses. Just because it's foreign to you doesn't mean it's not worth learning

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Steven Sacks
RobotLegs was built for AS3, not Flex. I am using it in a pure AS3 project right now. It's easy to setup for Flash IDE. http://www.helmutgranda.com/2009/12/02/robotlegs-and-flash-ide-cs4-injection/ Believe me, it's worth learning. RobotLegs is amazing.

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Steven Sacks
though obviously, using mxmlc to compile makes it a lot easier. FlashDevelop, FDT, FlexBuilder, anything can be used to compile Flash without Flash (or Flex). ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Merrill, Jason
To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? RobotLegs was built for AS3, not Flex. I am using it in a pure AS3 project right now. It's easy to setup for Flash IDE. http://www.helmutgranda.com/2009/12/02/robotlegs-and-flash-ide-cs4-injec tion/ Believe me, it's worth

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Merrill, Jason
FlashDevelop, FDT, FlexBuilder, anything can be used to compile Flash without Flash (or Flex). Well... yes, but with the Flex SDK as the compiler- not entirely on their own. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Solutions Join the Bank of America Flash

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
Hi Jason, Real quick question. Kind-of based off what you guys are talking about. I currently work in Flash CS3 in AS2. I was wanting to try one of the other flash developing programs out there, but it seems the new releases of the ones you listed below are more AS3 geared. Can I still

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Kerry Thompson
Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Or am I the last AS2 developer on the planet and just need to get in line to the AS3 3rd period class? I do recommend AS3, but you're far from the last doing AS2. I just finished up a 4-month AS2 contract, and last I heard, they were still looking for contractors who

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
Thanks for that Kerry. I want to learn AS3, I really do, but it takes too much time away from making money for me that I find myself missing out. :( I wish it was easier to make the transition, but then everyone would be a AS3 developer, right. *Sigh* Best, Karl On Mar 30, 2010, at 4:50

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Nathan Mynarcik
2010 16:55:47 To: Flash Coders Listflashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? Thanks for that Kerry. I want to learn AS3, I really do, but it takes too much time away from making money for me that I find myself missing out. :( I wish it was easier

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Kerry Thompson
Karl DeSaulniers wrote: I want to learn AS3, I really do, but it takes too much time away from making money for me that I find myself missing out. :( I wish it was easier to make the transition, but then everyone would be a AS3 developer, right. Hey, if you're doing well with AS2, there's

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
Thanks guys for your responses. Kerry, Too true. I've had to teach myself PHP, XML, MySQL, Javascript and I already knew HTML before I learned flash. I know there are a lot of AS2 jobs out there, but I live in a major city and major cities don't dwell in the older languages. So yeah, the

RE: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-30 Thread Barry Hannah
: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Karl DeSaulniers Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:26 a.m. To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller? Thanks guys for your responses. Kerry, Too true. I've had

[Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-29 Thread Karina Steffens
Hi List, Ok, this may sound a bit odd coming from someone who's been coding with MVC for the last 7 years, but I seem to be missing the point of a Controller... I'm hoping to start a discussion to help me (and maybe others like me) improve my architecture by better understanding the Controller,

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-29 Thread allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
the way i understand it, the controller is supposed to provide the logic and functionality for the views as well as acting as an intermediary between the view and the model (my version fires events back to the views but others use the controller to pass events back from the model to the view as

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-29 Thread Henrik Andersson
allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) wrote: if you look at the html / php / mysql model, mvc has a very natural flow - the mysql database and the php interact much like the controller (php) and the model (mysql) and the result is then fed to the views (the served html page). I do not

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-29 Thread Dave Watts
there is plenty of commentary out there to suggest that the controller is largely unnecessary and that the views can do it all as encapsulated objects (i've even read something by someone much smarter than me [ http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?MvcIsNotObjectOriented] that suggested that the c in

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-29 Thread allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
:) On 29 March 2010 18:03, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: there is plenty of commentary out there to suggest that the controller is largely unnecessary and that the views can do it all as encapsulated objects (i've even read something by someone much smarter than me [

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-29 Thread Jim Lafser
When I've implemented MVC: * I have one controller for each view * Each view knows about it's controller, but only as a generic controller (either as an interface or a base class) * Each View registers it's controller as the event listener for each of it's buttons.

Re: [Flashcoders] What good is a Controller?

2010-03-29 Thread Steven Sacks
MVC Public Service Announcement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91C7ax0UAAc If you want to learn about MVC, pick up the Ruby on Rails book. I suggest you use RobotLegs, which uses Mediators and Commands instead of Controllers. RobotLegs is better suited for the world of Flash than MVC, which