RE: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
I've run into this several times now, with no solution as of yet. For some reason, when doing more heavy things on the graphical side of things, it seems like vsyncing is stopped. Like the renderer only renders half a frame. I did a demo for the Flash 8 launch, using optimizations using only bitmaps and scrollrect to scroll for instance, and still ran into this v-sync issue. Ralph. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 22 december 2005 0:15 Aan: Flashcoders mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion yeah i took the big background vectors out and its smoother.. im going to try the cacheAsBitmap and scrollRect stuff to see if it helps thanks all John Berzy wrote: updateAfterEvent should not be put in an onEnterFrame because an onEnterFrame event will automatically re-render the stage anyways. if the updateAfterEvent is in a onMouseMove or something then it would be diffrent. I'd say that the graffic is probably a little to big and I believe thats where the choppyness is coming from. John From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:59:52 -0500 i took the text completely out but it didnt really change anything. you notice it particularly with the blue circle.. its like you can sort of see two blue circles when it refreshes.. makes me think the refresh is perhaps not syncing with my monitors refresh rate or something. JesterXL wrote: Remove the anti-aliased text, and then re-publish; how does she work then? - Original Message - From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion check out http://www.chowderinc.com/new_site/ i have some clips set up moving horizontally. my framerate is 60fps.. and it seems to be running fine.. but notice that all of the graphics and even the text appears jumpy or choppy or jittery.. difficult to read when the camera is moving quickly to the left or right.. why is this? has anyone else encountered this? is it a refresh issue? should i be using updateAfterEvent? the motion is called from onEnterFrame().. should i try setInterval? DK ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft(r) SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=htt p://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN(r) Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
I think Ralph's problem there is that Flash hasn't finished redrawing frame 1, when it has to start drawing frame 2. As for David's choppy animation, it's typical for too much animation in too little time. 60 fps is way too high, 25 or 30 fps is more than enough for smooth animation. The player won't be able to keep up 60fps for anything but the simplest animations, so there's no use in trying it. This might explain the choppy animation (at least partly), the player is just skipping frames. On 12/22/05, Hauwert, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've run into this several times now, with no solution as of yet. For some reason, when doing more heavy things on the graphical side of things, it seems like vsyncing is stopped. Like the renderer only renders half a frame. I did a demo for the Flash 8 launch, using optimizations using only bitmaps and scrollrect to scroll for instance, and still ran into this v-sync issue. Toon Van de Putte ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
I realize that that is the correct analysis of my problem. Strangly enough, this isn't really how the flashplayer seems to work; since I am using the onEnterFrame to update, I shouldn't be able to go out of sync with the renderer. The render should send out an ontenterframe when it's done rendering a frame, draw the new one on a framebuffer, swap the buffers, and send out the event again. Ralph. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 22 december 2005 16:45 Aan: Flashcoders mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion I think Ralph's problem there is that Flash hasn't finished redrawing frame 1, when it has to start drawing frame 2. As for David's choppy animation, it's typical for too much animation in too little time. 60 fps is way too high, 25 or 30 fps is more than enough for smooth animation. The player won't be able to keep up 60fps for anything but the simplest animations, so there's no use in trying it. This might explain the choppy animation (at least partly), the player is just skipping frames. On 12/22/05, Hauwert, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've run into this several times now, with no solution as of yet. For some reason, when doing more heavy things on the graphical side of things, it seems like vsyncing is stopped. Like the renderer only renders half a frame. I did a demo for the Flash 8 launch, using optimizations using only bitmaps and scrollrect to scroll for instance, and still ran into this v-sync issue. Toon Van de Putte ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
Ow, and as a side note, I think the magic frame-rates still apply up to version 7 (not 8 ? anyone ); 21, 31, 59 Ralph. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 22 december 2005 16:45 Aan: Flashcoders mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion I think Ralph's problem there is that Flash hasn't finished redrawing frame 1, when it has to start drawing frame 2. As for David's choppy animation, it's typical for too much animation in too little time. 60 fps is way too high, 25 or 30 fps is more than enough for smooth animation. The player won't be able to keep up 60fps for anything but the simplest animations, so there's no use in trying it. This might explain the choppy animation (at least partly), the player is just skipping frames. On 12/22/05, Hauwert, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've run into this several times now, with no solution as of yet. For some reason, when doing more heavy things on the graphical side of things, it seems like vsyncing is stopped. Like the renderer only renders half a frame. I did a demo for the Flash 8 launch, using optimizations using only bitmaps and scrollrect to scroll for instance, and still ran into this v-sync issue. Toon Van de Putte ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
Maybe there is some threshold beneath which the player will refresh the frame anyway? Some sort of minimum frame rate that is maintained at all times, even if frames cannot be fully drawn. On 12/22/05, Hauwert, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize that that is the correct analysis of my problem. Strangly enough, this isn't really how the flashplayer seems to work; since I am using the onEnterFrame to update, I shouldn't be able to go out of sync with the renderer. The render should send out an ontenterframe when it's done rendering a frame, draw the new one on a framebuffer, swap the buffers, and send out the event again. Ralph. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 22 december 2005 16:45 Aan: Flashcoders mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion I think Ralph's problem there is that Flash hasn't finished redrawing frame 1, when it has to start drawing frame 2. As for David's choppy animation, it's typical for too much animation in too little time. 60 fps is way too high, 25 or 30 fps is more than enough for smooth animation. The player won't be able to keep up 60fps for anything but the simplest animations, so there's no use in trying it. This might explain the choppy animation (at least partly), the player is just skipping frames. On 12/22/05, Hauwert, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've run into this several times now, with no solution as of yet. For some reason, when doing more heavy things on the graphical side of things, it seems like vsyncing is stopped. Like the renderer only renders half a frame. I did a demo for the Flash 8 launch, using optimizations using only bitmaps and scrollrect to scroll for instance, and still ran into this v-sync issue. Toon Van de Putte ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Toon Van de Putte ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
updateAfterEvent might help. Also keep in mind that moving of large items on screen (be it graphic or not), costs a lot of redraw power of the playing pc. So sometimes there is nothing you can do about it. Using the FP8 features (and therefore play in FP8) helps very much. So try if that makes a difference too. In my experience, the things which always make your processor usage go through the roof, is the actual animation redrawing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: woensdag 21 december 2005 23:27 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion Remove the anti-aliased text, and then re-publish; how does she work then? - Original Message - From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion check out http://www.chowderinc.com/new_site/ i have some clips set up moving horizontally. my framerate is 60fps.. and it seems to be running fine.. but notice that all of the graphics and even the text appears jumpy or choppy or jittery.. difficult to read when the camera is moving quickly to the left or right.. why is this? has anyone else encountered this? is it a refresh issue? should i be using updateAfterEvent? the motion is called from onEnterFrame().. should i try setInterval? DK ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
Thanks. Which fp8 features would help here? Ben Smeets wrote: updateAfterEvent might help. Also keep in mind that moving of large items on screen (be it graphic or not), costs a lot of redraw power of the playing pc. So sometimes there is nothing you can do about it. Using the FP8 features (and therefore play in FP8) helps very much. So try if that makes a difference too. In my experience, the things which always make your processor usage go through the roof, is the actual animation redrawing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: woensdag 21 december 2005 23:27 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion Remove the anti-aliased text, and then re-publish; how does she work then? - Original Message - From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion check out http://www.chowderinc.com/new_site/ i have some clips set up moving horizontally. my framerate is 60fps.. and it seems to be running fine.. but notice that all of the graphics and even the text appears jumpy or choppy or jittery.. difficult to read when the camera is moving quickly to the left or right.. why is this? has anyone else encountered this? is it a refresh issue? should i be using updateAfterEvent? the motion is called from onEnterFrame().. should i try setInterval? DK ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
i took the text completely out but it didnt really change anything. you notice it particularly with the blue circle.. its like you can sort of see two blue circles when it refreshes.. makes me think the refresh is perhaps not syncing with my monitors refresh rate or something. JesterXL wrote: Remove the anti-aliased text, and then re-publish; how does she work then? - Original Message - From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion check out http://www.chowderinc.com/new_site/ i have some clips set up moving horizontally. my framerate is 60fps.. and it seems to be running fine.. but notice that all of the graphics and even the text appears jumpy or choppy or jittery.. difficult to read when the camera is moving quickly to the left or right.. why is this? has anyone else encountered this? is it a refresh issue? should i be using updateAfterEvent? the motion is called from onEnterFrame().. should i try setInterval? DK ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
I'm with Ben. If the text didn't fix, you've just got a ton of stuff on the screen, redrawing the entire screen. Sometimes cacheAsBitmap and scrollRect helps in 8, sometimes not. - Original Message - From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion i took the text completely out but it didnt really change anything. you notice it particularly with the blue circle.. its like you can sort of see two blue circles when it refreshes.. makes me think the refresh is perhaps not syncing with my monitors refresh rate or something. JesterXL wrote: Remove the anti-aliased text, and then re-publish; how does she work then? - Original Message - From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion check out http://www.chowderinc.com/new_site/ i have some clips set up moving horizontally. my framerate is 60fps.. and it seems to be running fine.. but notice that all of the graphics and even the text appears jumpy or choppy or jittery.. difficult to read when the camera is moving quickly to the left or right.. why is this? has anyone else encountered this? is it a refresh issue? should i be using updateAfterEvent? the motion is called from onEnterFrame().. should i try setInterval? DK ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
updateAfterEvent should not be put in an onEnterFrame because an onEnterFrame event will automatically re-render the stage anyways. if the updateAfterEvent is in a onMouseMove or something then it would be diffrent. I'd say that the graffic is probably a little to big and I believe thats where the choppyness is coming from. John From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:59:52 -0500 i took the text completely out but it didnt really change anything. you notice it particularly with the blue circle.. its like you can sort of see two blue circles when it refreshes.. makes me think the refresh is perhaps not syncing with my monitors refresh rate or something. JesterXL wrote: Remove the anti-aliased text, and then re-publish; how does she work then? - Original Message - From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion check out http://www.chowderinc.com/new_site/ i have some clips set up moving horizontally. my framerate is 60fps.. and it seems to be running fine.. but notice that all of the graphics and even the text appears jumpy or choppy or jittery.. difficult to read when the camera is moving quickly to the left or right.. why is this? has anyone else encountered this? is it a refresh issue? should i be using updateAfterEvent? the motion is called from onEnterFrame().. should i try setInterval? DK ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion
yeah i took the big background vectors out and its smoother.. im going to try the cacheAsBitmap and scrollRect stuff to see if it helps thanks all John Berzy wrote: updateAfterEvent should not be put in an onEnterFrame because an onEnterFrame event will automatically re-render the stage anyways. if the updateAfterEvent is in a onMouseMove or something then it would be diffrent. I'd say that the graffic is probably a little to big and I believe thats where the choppyness is coming from. John From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:59:52 -0500 i took the text completely out but it didnt really change anything. you notice it particularly with the blue circle.. its like you can sort of see two blue circles when it refreshes.. makes me think the refresh is perhaps not syncing with my monitors refresh rate or something. JesterXL wrote: Remove the anti-aliased text, and then re-publish; how does she work then? - Original Message - From: dontsave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] jumpy horizontal motion check out http://www.chowderinc.com/new_site/ i have some clips set up moving horizontally. my framerate is 60fps.. and it seems to be running fine.. but notice that all of the graphics and even the text appears jumpy or choppy or jittery.. difficult to read when the camera is moving quickly to the left or right.. why is this? has anyone else encountered this? is it a refresh issue? should i be using updateAfterEvent? the motion is called from onEnterFrame().. should i try setInterval? DK ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
