RE: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-17 Thread Kerry Thompson
 Is anyone using Vista and enjoying it?

I am. Vista Home Premium. There are a few things you have to figure out to
work with Vista's security, but overall it seems a fairly solid OS. I'm
using the CS3 developer bundle, and FlexBuilder 3, for most of my
development tools, plus an assortment of audio, video, and graphics tools.

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson


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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-15 Thread Paul Andrews
I disagree - many people are considering using a Mac for flash development, 
so it's far from useless. Useless to you doesn't mean useless to others.


Paul
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This is a useless topic.
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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-15 Thread AJ Canepa
I develop with FlexBuilder and Flash CS3 on the Mac and love it.  I  
tried subclipse though and wasn't a fan.  I prefer managing my source  
control separately with SmartSVN which gives more control and options.


AJ Canepa
Runtime Logic
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On Mar 14, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Muzak wrote:


I use subclipse with FlexBuilder/Eclipse
http://subclipse.tigris.org/

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Dunno if that has been mentioned, but if you are NOT a command line  
guy, like me, and want a kick ass non-CLI SVN client, by far the  
best option is TortoiseSVN, which afaik is only available for  
Windows and beats the crap out of everything else i've seen.
This one tiny software is the main reason i stick to Windows (XP)  
for now. I have three machines here (XP, OSX and Ubuntu), and the  
XP machine is my main dev machine, because i don't wanna miss  
TortoiseSVN.
Otherwise, i'm very, VERY unreligious about operating systems,  
because i frankly think they all suck in one way or another.

Cheers,
Claus.


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[Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Dave Segal
It's time for me to get a new computer and I have heard so many horror
stories about Vista that I am thinking of switching to Mac. What tools are
people using to develop on the Mac. I mostly Flash IDE, FlexBuilder,
FlashDevelop, SWFMill, SWFDump, HaXe, FlashTracer - are these available on
Mac? Also any general info about developing on the Mac, positive or
negative, would be helpful. 

Is anyone using Vista and enjoying it?

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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Andrew Sinning
I know you're asking for more specific info, but, hey: Just get a Mac 
and run Parallels or VMWare.  I run XP on my Mac.  I also have Vista 
installed under Parallels for when a customer calls up with a 
Vista-specific problem, but otherwise I never use it.


Dave Segal wrote:

It's time for me to get a new computer and I have heard so many horror
stories about Vista that I am thinking of switching to Mac. What tools are
people using to develop on the Mac. I mostly Flash IDE, FlexBuilder,
FlashDevelop, SWFMill, SWFDump, HaXe, FlashTracer - are these available on
Mac? Also any general info about developing on the Mac, positive or
negative, would be helpful. 


Is anyone using Vista and enjoying it?

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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Zeh Fernando

It's time for me to get a new computer and I have heard so many horror
stories about Vista that I am thinking of switching to Mac. What tools are
people using to develop on the Mac. I mostly Flash IDE, FlexBuilder,
FlashDevelop, SWFMill, SWFDump, HaXe, FlashTracer - are these available on
Mac? Also any general info about developing on the Mac, positive or
negative, would be helpful. 


This is a highly subjective question in so many ways that it's pretty 
hard for anyone to answer in a neutral fashion.


With that said - yes, Vista is a POS, IMHO. It's the best definition of 
an extremely annoying, user-unfriendly operating system. It's a slap in 
the user's face as it automatically assumes anyone using the computer is 
a complete retard. Which is probably true in 95% of the cases, but that 
doesn't make it a good development architecture. Not mentioning it IS 
slow as hell.


So the question shouldn't be whether you get a Mac vs a PC with Vista, 
but rather a Mac vs a PC with Windows XP.


I'm probably not the best person to comment on it, I haven't used Vista 
for a very long time. But after getting a Notebook with Vista I was 
really surprised with how the horror stories (which I didn't believe 
before, dismissing them as random, generic MS-hate) were accurate. Maybe 
it's one of those systems that become bearable after you tweak it 
enough, a bit like XP is. But my initial impressions were so strong I 
really didn't feel like trying it at all. Thankfully I had bought the 
Notebook for presentation and testing only so it's now happily running 
Ubuntu instead.



Zeh
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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Muzak

Is anyone using Vista and enjoying it?



Yup.. once UAC (User Account Control) is disabled, Vista is just fine.

This is my current config (home made):

Antec Sonata III case
NVidia Geforce 8800GTS 640MB
Intel Core Duo E6850, 3.0 GHz 
MSI P35 Platinum 
4095 MB RAM (CORSAIR TWINX Matched DDR2 1066Mhz)

20 Samsung SyncMaster 206BW LCD 1680x1050
2 x 500 GB SATA II Western Digital HardDisks
Windows Vista Business 64-bits

Mostly running Flex Builder and Flash IDE and alot of games ;-)

regards,
Muzak

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It's time for me to get a new computer and I have heard so many horror
stories about Vista that I am thinking of switching to Mac. What tools are
people using to develop on the Mac. I mostly Flash IDE, FlexBuilder,
FlashDevelop, SWFMill, SWFDump, HaXe, FlashTracer - are these available on
Mac? Also any general info about developing on the Mac, positive or
negative, would be helpful. 


Is anyone using Vista and enjoying it?



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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Cory Petosky
Speaking of Ubuntu, I do my Flash development on an Ubuntu box. Flex
Builder 3, the Flex SDK, and Flash Player 9 run fine on it. If you
really need the IDE, you can VMWare, Remote Desktop, or plain-old dual
boot into your commercial OS of choice to run it.

Nowadays, you can buy a cheap Windows machine, pick up a copy of Mac
OS, and dual boot OSX and Windows (and Ubuntu, if you want to be
happy) cheaper than buying an Apple machine, and you get the ability
to buy standard off-the-shelf hardware if you want to do any
customizations.

On 3/14/08, Zeh Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's time for me to get a new computer and I have heard so many horror
   stories about Vista that I am thinking of switching to Mac. What tools are
   people using to develop on the Mac. I mostly Flash IDE, FlexBuilder,
   FlashDevelop, SWFMill, SWFDump, HaXe, FlashTracer - are these available on
   Mac? Also any general info about developing on the Mac, positive or
   negative, would be helpful.


 This is a highly subjective question in so many ways that it's pretty
  hard for anyone to answer in a neutral fashion.

  With that said - yes, Vista is a POS, IMHO. It's the best definition of
  an extremely annoying, user-unfriendly operating system. It's a slap in
  the user's face as it automatically assumes anyone using the computer is
  a complete retard. Which is probably true in 95% of the cases, but that
  doesn't make it a good development architecture. Not mentioning it IS
  slow as hell.

  So the question shouldn't be whether you get a Mac vs a PC with Vista,
  but rather a Mac vs a PC with Windows XP.

  I'm probably not the best person to comment on it, I haven't used Vista
  for a very long time. But after getting a Notebook with Vista I was
  really surprised with how the horror stories (which I didn't believe
  before, dismissing them as random, generic MS-hate) were accurate. Maybe
  it's one of those systems that become bearable after you tweak it
  enough, a bit like XP is. But my initial impressions were so strong I
  really didn't feel like trying it at all. Thankfully I had bought the
  Notebook for presentation and testing only so it's now happily running
  Ubuntu instead.



  Zeh

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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Jason Van Pelt
Does disabling UAC make the OS any faster, or just less annoying?

I personally work on mac and pc (win xp) and I find the flash interface on
the mac intolerably slow. I tend to develop on the pc and export the final
swfs (with the designer's fonts ;-) ) on the mac.


Jason Van Pelt
Interactive Developer
504.210.1232 (p) / 504.581.2731 (f)
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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Wagner Amaral
First of all, let me say this:
Overall, I think Mac is a pretty decent platform for creating Flash, I'd
even say it's the best.

Ok, now the bashing ;)
I've worked at some companies who used Windows XP, and others (including the
current one) who use Mac OS X. And between these two, the best one is
definitely Linux.
Here's the deal, I im not a Flash developer, I am a software developer who
happens to be developing Flash right now. I don't even touch the Flash IDE,
all my flas are just asset libraries. And for the heavy-programmers like
me, Linux is heaven! It comes with everything you'll ever need (and even
more things you'll never need) to develop anything. So, if you're like me
there's your answer.

Now, leaving the programming mind aside, there is something else that helps
me to choose the system I use, and that is the level of configuration and
tweaking that I have on the system, to make it behave exactly the way I
want. And on that point too, Linux wins by a mile, and honestly I think Mac
is the worst ever in that case. I hate all those so talked user-friendliness
things, that just get in my way. I have a bunch of friends, I don't need my
computer to be one of them. Also, I have a bunch of friends that wouldn't be
called friendly by someone else, so I don't feel like letting someone else
say what is user-friendly to me.

I'd narrow down to this:
If you are a hard-core developer, go for Linux
If you are a more graphical guy, or even a developer who works exclusively
with Flash, go for Mac. It even have a decent command line, which is a good
thing.
If you are a... I don't know... Gamer guy? Well, then go for Windows.

Be warned, though, that most softwares will be released first for Windows,
and only later (if ever) be released for the Mac.
Of those you mentioned, the Flash IDE and FlexBuilder are available for the
Mac. FlashDevelop is not, and probably will never be, since it's made with
.NET framework. All the others, I have no idea...

Wagner Amaral



On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Dave Segal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's time for me to get a new computer and I have heard so many horror
 stories about Vista that I am thinking of switching to Mac. What tools are
 people using to develop on the Mac. I mostly Flash IDE, FlexBuilder,
 FlashDevelop, SWFMill, SWFDump, HaXe, FlashTracer - are these available on
 Mac? Also any general info about developing on the Mac, positive or
 negative, would be helpful.

 Is anyone using Vista and enjoying it?

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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Steven Sacks

FlashDevelop is not, and probably will never be, since it's made
with .NET framework.


FlashDevelop beats every other editor hands down for Actionscript development.  
TextMate is great for other languages, and decent at AS, but FlashDevelop is 
truly the finest example of what an Actionscript editor should be.  You will 
write code *measurably* faster than with any other program.  FlexBuilder's 
auto-complete is buggy and poor, to say the least.

FlashDevelop is like driving a Formula 1 race car when everyone else out there 
is in mid-range sedans.

Beyond that, the whole Windows/OSX debate is hackneyed.  There is no winner.  It 
completely depends on what you like and what your needs are.  I know plenty of graphic 
designers who can't STAND Mac and will only use Windows.  Making blanket statements that 
Mac is better for creatives is regurgitating the marketing campaign of Apple 
from the frickin nineties for crying out loud.  It's not even relevant anymore because 
Windows no longer runs graphic programs slower than Mac and hasn't for quite some time.

If you do Flex development, then your needs will be met best on a Mac.  If you 
prefer OSX as an operating system over Windows then by all means get a Mac.  
The great thing about Mac is you can install Windows on it specifically for 
using FlashDevelop if you want to truly enjoy coding Actionscript.

http://www.flashdevelop.org/community/viewtopic.php?t=2463

That's all you need to know about using a Mac and FlashDevelop.

I can't get by without FlashDevelop anymore.  I donated to the project because 
there's nothing that has made such a dramatic difference in my production than 
that piece of software.  If you haven't used it yet, you don't know what you're 
missing.

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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Claus Wahlers
Dunno if that has been mentioned, but if you are NOT a command line guy, 
like me, and want a kick ass non-CLI SVN client, by far the best option 
is TortoiseSVN, which afaik is only available for Windows and beats the 
crap out of everything else i've seen.


This one tiny software is the main reason i stick to Windows (XP) for 
now. I have three machines here (XP, OSX and Ubuntu), and the XP machine 
is my main dev machine, because i don't wanna miss TortoiseSVN.


Otherwise, i'm very, VERY unreligious about operating systems, because i 
frankly think they all suck in one way or another.


Cheers,
Claus.
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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Claus Wahlers

Claus Wahlers wrote:

Dunno if that has been mentioned, but if you are NOT a command line guy, 
like me, and want a kick ass non-CLI SVN client, by far the best option 
is TortoiseSVN, which afaik is only available for Windows and beats the 
crap out of everything else i've seen.


This one tiny software is the main reason i stick to Windows (XP) for 
now. I have three machines here (XP, OSX and Ubuntu), and the XP machine 
is my main dev machine, because i don't wanna miss TortoiseSVN.


Oh, and FlashDevelop, of course.

Cheers,
Claus.


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RE: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Rob Emenecker
Dave,

When I get my next new/replacement workstation it will be a dual quad-core
Intel (or whatever is newer) Mac Pro. You can run OS X, Windows, etc. 

The only thing I would not do it pay Apple's predatory pricing for
additional memory sticks, RAID controller, additional drives, etc. Just get
the best processor, min memory, min hard drive, etc., then upgrade with
aftermarket.

...Rob


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RE: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Rob Emenecker
 Otherwise, i'm very, VERY unreligious about operating systems, 
 because i frankly think they all suck in one way or another.

You've got a lot of nerve being rational and objective making that
statement!


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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Muzak

Faster, donno.. doubt it. Less annoying, definitely.
UAC doesn't allow you to run as a true administrator, disabling it does.

I've found Flash CS3 to be less responsive than Flash 8 though.
The AS editor can't keep up while typing.

Vista needs lots of ram, that's why I got plenty ;-)

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Does disabling UAC make the OS any faster, or just less annoying?

I personally work on mac and pc (win xp) and I find the flash interface on
the mac intolerably slow. I tend to develop on the pc and export the final
swfs (with the designer's fonts ;-) ) on the mac.


Jason Van Pelt
Interactive Developer
504.210.1232 (p) / 504.581.2731 (f)
Peter A. Mayer Advertising, Inc.
www.peteramayer.com


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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Muzak

I probably shouldn't ask ;) but utter garbage, why ??
I've been running Vista for a few months now with zero problems.
The only thing that bothered me was UAC, which I have disabled.

regards,
Muzak

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All that being said, btw, do NOT, I repeat DO NOT get Windows Vista.  If 
anything will make you want to switch to OSX, it's Vista.


Stick with Windows XP until Vista SP3 comes out, and even then who 
knows.  I know die-hard Windows guys who think they might go Mac when XP 
fails to keep up with their needs because Vista is utter garbage.


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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Muzak

I use subclipse with FlexBuilder/Eclipse
http://subclipse.tigris.org/

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Dunno if that has been mentioned, but if you are NOT a command line guy, 
like me, and want a kick ass non-CLI SVN client, by far the best option 
is TortoiseSVN, which afaik is only available for Windows and beats the 
crap out of everything else i've seen.


This one tiny software is the main reason i stick to Windows (XP) for 
now. I have three machines here (XP, OSX and Ubuntu), and the XP machine 
is my main dev machine, because i don't wanna miss TortoiseSVN.


Otherwise, i'm very, VERY unreligious about operating systems, because i 
frankly think they all suck in one way or another.


Cheers,
Claus.


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Re: [Flashcoders] to mac or not to mac

2008-03-14 Thread Keith

This is a useless topic.
Sorry that I have to put it that way.
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