subject:"RE\: \[Flashcoders\] Flash CS3 Prof copy\: missing Tree component."

Regarding Jason's question, NO.  As yet Flash CS3 has no AS3 
classes/components for WebService or Remoting.  And no where 
have I seen any promised.  (I would like to see them, so if 
anyone from Adobe is on this list and might like to tell us 
that there one day will be Flash CS3 AS3 Data Components, 
please chime in  :-)

That's INSANE!!!  That really bites.  I guess I'm really not as sad
today as I was yesterday about not having CS3 yet, but then again, I
guess I'm even more depressed when I think I don't have CS3 AND it won't
support Remoting or Webservices.  I can sort of get why Adobe would not
spend the time to build a tree component for CS3 (sorrt of, it still
sucks), but Remoting and Webservices?   Are you serious?  

I wanted to build a Flash app that uses Papervision 3d and Webservices,
but it doesn't seem possible does it?  (Papervision is FP9/AS3 only
right?)

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-06 Thread David Ngo

There's a F8/AS2 version of Papervision, though I'd probably suggest going
the F9/AS3 route. As far as Remoting/WebServices, I'm pretty sure they'll
come out with an add-on package like they did with the previous versions. On
top of that, if you wanted to build a Flash App, why not just use Flex?


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Jason
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Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

Regarding Jason's question, NO.  As yet Flash CS3 has no AS3 
classes/components for WebService or Remoting.  And no where 
have I seen any promised.  (I would like to see them, so if 
anyone from Adobe is on this list and might like to tell us 
that there one day will be Flash CS3 AS3 Data Components, 
please chime in  :-)

That's INSANE!!!  That really bites.  I guess I'm really not as sad
today as I was yesterday about not having CS3 yet, but then again, I
guess I'm even more depressed when I think I don't have CS3 AND it won't
support Remoting or Webservices.  I can sort of get why Adobe would not
spend the time to build a tree component for CS3 (sorrt of, it still
sucks), but Remoting and Webservices?   Are you serious?  

I wanted to build a Flash app that uses Papervision 3d and Webservices,
but it doesn't seem possible does it?  (Papervision is FP9/AS3 only
right?)

Jason Merrill
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

There's a F8/AS2 version of Papervision, though I'd probably 
suggest going the F9/AS3 route. As far as 
Remoting/WebServices, I'm pretty sure they'll come out with 
an add-on package like they did with the previous versions. 
On top of that, if you wanted to build a Flash App, why not 
just use Flex?

Several reasons.  First, it's actually more of a Flash game - I could
still use Flex sure, but need to finish learning it first, which takes
time. I have spent days already (love it, but it's SOOO different than
Flash), and would be some time before I can get it to do what I want and
look how I want. Plus, I need to get either up on the free SDK or get my
employer to purchase Flexbuilder 2, which has been difficult (not due to
desire of my immediate supervisors, but more about purchasing
burracracy).  I already know Flash very well, so I wouldn't have to
convince my supervisor I need the downtime to learn Flex.  

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

I have posted a new thread here on FlashCoders with the 
subject line Flash Remoting for Flash CS3 AS3.

Cool.  How about calling a WSDL - Webservice?  Not possible in CS3?

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-06 Thread greg h

Jason,

Regarding How about calling a WSDL - Webservice? Not possible in CS3?

First I just want to rephrase that as Flash CS3 AS3 because for the AS2
components (aka V2 components) nothing has changed from Flash MX 2004 to
Flash 8 to Flash CS3 (except FLVPlayback being introduced with Flash 8).

The issue is with AS3 components only. As of Flash CS3 the package fl.* has
been added for AS3 components. (In Flash the package mx.* remains AS2.
Confusingly, Flex 2 has now appropriated mx.* for all of its components,
which in Flex 2 are all AS3.)

So, back to your question let me first finish rephrasing it: How about
calling a WSDL - Webservice? Not possible in CS3 AS3?

At the following link shockzone wrote on 11-10-2006:
http://www.actionscript.org/forums/archive/index.php3/t-121396.html
I got an email from Joey Lott the author of the AS3 Cookbook. Basically he
said that in Flash 9 AS3 there is no built in web services. The only way you
can do it is manually assemble and de-assemble SOAP request. Ouch.

Note: the quote above predates the release of Flash CS3. Still, I see
nothing in the released version of Flash CS3 that contradicts the quote
above. Of course if anyone else can provide links to solutions for AS3 web
services for Flash CS3 developers, please post asap :-)

Now couple the quote above with what cayennecode wrote on the remoting
thread on 5/11/2007 on the Adobe forums
threadhttp://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=15catid=250threadid=1245196enterthread=y
:
But yeah, the DataSet class, RDBMSResolver class haven't been refactored for
AS3. Making your life of easily walking through the remoting results more
difficult, as well as listening to changes in the data model. Have fun
building it !!!

So is it possible? I guess so. But no, there are no AS3 components
provided. And again, since at runtime AS2 and AS3 live in separate virtual
machines, you can not use the AS2 components in building AS3 solutions.

And, of course, the whole point of components is so that we do not have to
build everything from scratch. Rapid Application Development and all that.

So to recap. I think that Adobe made a misjudgment in not revving the full
component set up to AS3. This thread makes me suspect that a few others on
this list may feel the same way. (Mainly those who use Flash to create
applications.) Maybe someday Adobe will deem it in their strategic interest
to provide Flash a comprehensive, updated component set in-product.

fwiw, when I have an opening in my schedule, a key Adobe employee that I
will escalate this to is Richard Galvan. Richard took over as technical
product manager for Flash back in
Februaryhttp://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/2007/02/hello_and_welcome_1.html.
Richard is a great guy. If anyone on this list knows Richard, please do not
hesitate to contact him regarding your concerns. fyi, Richard blogs at:
http://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/

Oh, and in the course of doublechecking this I found an example of Adobe
disingenuousness here in the form of a blog post by Adobe employee Justin
Everett-Church. Justin's post is a glowing review of the Flash CS3 AS3
components and is entitled AS2 and AS3 Components in Flash CS3
Professional. Of course he makes no mention that the AS3 component set is
a dramatically scaled back set relative to the AS2 component set. But
Justin was open in his biases in writing:
http://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/2007/04/27/as2-and-as3-components-in-flash-cs3-professional/
I have to admit that I have never liked components. I prefer to build things
from the ground up myself and have complete design control.

fwiw, Justin has now moved onto the Flash Player product management
teamhttp://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/2007/02/08/joining-the-flash-player-team/,
so no sense in bothering him about the current sorry state of AS3 components
in Flash CS3.

Another example is in the docs. The docs do include ActionScript
2.0Migration, but it does not include components. What I think Adobe
does
reasonably owe us is a doc on ActionScript 2.0 to ActionScript
3.0Component Migration. Boy, now that sure would be a ringing
indictment.

Sorry that I can not offer anything more helpful at this time. If I do come
up with solutions, I will post back. Of course if others have more to add,
please post asap :-)

g
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

Wow, thanks for that post.  Excellent information.  That's a huge blow.
So basically when it comes to Flash CS3 with AS3 all of us who have been
using Webservices classes in Flash and want to keep doing so have only a
few choices:

1) Learn Flex instead and try and make what you want to do in Flash in
Flex.
2) Keep using Flash 8.
3) Try and do something entirely different with the NetConnection class
(and it sounds much more difficult than it was previously due to the
other missing data classes and debuggers, and you can't utilize
Webservices with that can you?  We have a huge set of WSDLs written in
C# that would be un-usable if they were not modified).   

Same with Tree components and all the others previously mentioned.  This
is a major major major misstep in my opinion.  In fact, a step BACK - I
would GLADLY trade some of the new features like the Photoshop
integration (is it really that big of a deal?  I think it's cool, but it
sounds like an Adobe-culture business goal instead of a genuine good use
of a Flash team developer's time) or copy-paste animation for the
missing Webservice classes and/or the others.  AS3 is a very exciting
new form of the language I've been anxious to start using. Too bad it
can only be fully enjoyed in the Flex environment.  I hope they are
planning to update Flash CS3 with some of the missing classes and
components soon.

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component andWebService.

2007-06-05 Thread Hairy Dog Digital

 The complaint is that there's no AS3 version of the Data 
 components and some UI Components (like the Tree)

And that really bites because I use and abuse the Tree component on a
regular basis in my AS2 / Flash MX04/8 projects!
 

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


Yes, who would have believed that Flash CS3 would yield AS3 components that
are:

  - a reduced set of UI components from AS2
   - no data components
  - elimination of databinding

And as Randy points out, all this in the run up to Microsoft's Silverlight
release.  Based on my decades of experience in the computer industry, my
opinion is that Microsoft does not necessarily win, so much as their
competition fails.  I see Adobe's abandoning the commitment to provide a
comprehensive, updated component set in-product with Flash CS3 as just such
a failure.

Tragic.

g

P.S.  Since Adobe abandoned Flash data components for AS3, I am proceeding
on the assumption that it is illogical that they would now provide an AS3
remoting update for Flash.
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-05 Thread Merrill, Jason

What is the alternative to a 
tree component in CS3 within the Adobe world - is there 
something in Flex which replaces it?

Yes, there is a nice Tree component in Flex.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


Yes, Flex has AS3 versions of all of the components that Flash 8 had and
then some.  That is the point.

The message is pretty clear:  If you want a comprehensive, state of the art
component set use Flex.

You can preview the full set of Flex UI components here:
http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html

The decision to not rev all Flash 8 components up to AS3 was a conscious
business decision.  In retrospect maybe not a good business decision, but
certainly a conscious business decision.

g

P.S.  Remember, the Flex framework is far more heavy than the Flash CS3
AS3 component framework.

P.P.S.  I regret that Adobe has consciously chosen not to fully support AS3
application development in both Flash and Flex.  As much as Flex supports an
authoring style better suited for some developers than the Flash IDE, the
Flex IDE will not suit some developers for whom the Flash IDE is good.  By
not providing a comprehensive, updated component set in-product with Flash
CS3 Adobe is alienating some of the most talented and capable Flash
developers who have been vital to their success in the first place.

P.P.P.S.  In addition to gskinner.com, the other half of the team that
created the Flash CS3 AS3 components was metaliq.com.  I have to say, I
personally find it disconcerting that the first entry listed by the
Silverlight product manager touting the Silverlight release is a Silverlight
application built by metaliq.com.  Microsoft video of metaliq.com's Top
Banana video editor sample application here:
http://silverlight.net/learn/learnvideo.aspx?video=73
Silverlight product manager page which was source for the link above is
here:
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/05/07/silverlight.aspx
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

I think the main factor on the components was more of a time factor to 
meet with the CS3 release timing as opposed to just removing functionality.


Most new releases of a software don't remove functionality, but 
deprecate it. Removing something like the tree component or web services 
from flash 9 cs3 is a major mistake. It appears to me that to implement 
it in actionscript 3.0 is a major undertaking -- the funny thing is that 
most of the code is done in the flex framework.


Take the example of where some ads or placements that require web 
services in flash require the movie to be under 100K.


This is impossible to do with flex because of just the sheer nature of 
the download size.


If enough of us request it from adobe I'm sure it will get integrated. 
It seems that it was more of a time factor decision than anything else.




greg h wrote:

Yes, Flex has AS3 versions of all of the components that Flash 8 had and
then some.  That is the point.

The message is pretty clear:  If you want a comprehensive, state of 
the art

component set use Flex.

You can preview the full set of Flex UI components here:
http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-05 Thread Muzak

Have a look at this:
http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html

careful when your jaw drops.. ;-)

And this is what you can do with them (and alot more):
http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/consulting/styleexplorer/Flex2StyleExplorer.html

regards,
Muzak

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From: Mark Mulhollam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


I have used the tree extensively on my own website and am pretty disappointed 
in
 Adobe.  What is the alternative to a tree component in CS3 within the Adobe
 world - is there something in Flex which replaces it?

 Mark


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-05 Thread Muzak

Sorry, I don't buy the time factor argument.
Everything, including webservices and flash remoting was already there, written 
for Flex 2.

Unfortunatly you can not just grab the webservice/remoting source files and 
copy them over to Flash, they're compiled as a swc file.
UI Component class source files (like the Tree) are available, so you might be 
able to just grab those.

regards,
Muzak

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From: Austin Kottke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


I think the main factor on the components was more of a time factor to meet 
with the CS3 release timing as opposed to just removing 
functionality.

 Most new releases of a software don't remove functionality, but deprecate it. 
 Removing something like the tree component or web 
 services from flash 9 cs3 is a major mistake. It appears to me that to 
 implement it in actionscript 3.0 is a major undertaking --  
 the funny thing is that most of the code is done in the flex framework.

 Take the example of where some ads or placements that require web services in 
 flash require the movie to be under 100K.

 This is impossible to do with flex because of just the sheer nature of the 
 download size.

 If enough of us request it from adobe I'm sure it will get integrated. It 
 seems that it was more of a time factor decision than 
 anything else.


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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-05 Thread Merrill, Jason

Everything, including webservices and flash remoting was 
already there, written for Flex 2.

Unfortunatly you can not just grab the webservice/remoting 
source files and copy them over to Flash, they're compiled as 
a swc file.

So dumb question, I haven't looked and don't have CS3 yet, but are both
Webservices and Remoting available in Flash CS3 for Actionscript 3.0?

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

If it wasn't so enmeshed in the flex framework, the tree component could 
be written to work with the flash components. When
you try and compile the components it balks about mx_internal namespace 
not being defined.


1004: Namespace was not found or is not a compile-time constant.

Apparently the flash 9 cs3 compiler uses the same compiler so I dont see 
why this couldnt be done to integrate parts of the flex framework 
components into flash. That would be awesome.


Best, Austin

Muzak wrote:

Sorry, I don't buy the time factor argument.
Everything, including webservices and flash remoting was already there, written 
for Flex 2.

Unfortunatly you can not just grab the webservice/remoting source files and 
copy them over to Flash, they're compiled as a swc file.
UI Component class source files (like the Tree) are available, so you might be 
able to just grab those.

regards,
Muzak

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Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


  

  


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


You can do remoting with Netconnection.calls.

Web Services are nonexistent for flash player 9 apps created in flash 9 
cs3.


We definitely need to get this integrated fully.

Merrill, Jason wrote:
Everything, including webservices and flash remoting was 


already there, written for Flex 2.

Unfortunatly you can not just grab the webservice/remoting 
source files and copy them over to Flash, they're compiled as 
a swc file.
  


So dumb question, I haven't looked and don't have CS3 yet, but are both
Webservices and Remoting available in Flash CS3 for Actionscript 3.0?

Jason Merrill
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-05 Thread Claus Wahlers



Apparently the flash 9 cs3 compiler uses the same compiler so I dont see 
why this couldnt be done to integrate parts of the flex framework 
components into flash. That would be awesome.


That's not as easy as it sounds. Base classes work differently, styling 
works differently, etc pp, Flash doesn't have a System Manager, etc, 
etc, etc.


Cheers,
Claus.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


Regarding Jason's question, NO.  As yet Flash CS3 has no AS3
classes/components for WebService or Remoting.  And no where have I seen any
promised.  (I would like to see them, so if anyone from Adobe is on this
list and might like to tell us that there one day will be Flash CS3 AS3 Data
Components, please chime in  :-)

If you would like to see the inventory of what we have, here is the top
level link for livedocs for Flash CS3:
http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm

And here is the top level for the Flash CS3 ActionScript 3.0 Language and
Components Reference:
http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/ActionScriptLangRefV3/index.html

Regarding integrate parts of the flex framework components into flash, as
Claus points out, there are issues.  I am confident that if it were straight
forward, Adobe would have done it for the Flash CS3 AS3 components.  Though
this thread suggests that some of us consider the Flash CS3 AS3 component
set to be incomplete, one goal that Adobe did achieve was keeping them as
lightweight as possible.  As we all know, Flex is not lightweight.  There is
the devil's bargain in component development.  What makes Flex Flex is that
it is not Flash.  And the fact that the Flash CS3 AS3 components are so
lightweight really highlights this.

fwiw ... Even going the easier route of integrating Flash AS3 content in to
Flex is a little involved.  Adobe has put up on labs the Adobe Flex
Component Kit for Adobe Flash CS3.  The thumbnail description is Allows
you to easily convert Flash content into Flex components providing seamless
integration between Flash CS3 and Flex.  But it is a one way street, Flash
into Flex only.  Details here:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Component_Kit_for_Flash_CS3

Regarding Austin's earlier statement about possible time factor
considerations, I assume that this is a hypothesis on Austin's part.  Unless
Austin knows something that I don't know I am sticking with my firsthand
understanding that The decision to not rev all Flash 8 components up to AS3
was a conscious business decision.  No issues regarding time factors.
Just priorities.  I.e. conscious strategic business decisions.

I do totally concur with Austin that Most new releases of a software don't
remove functionality.  And Adobe might just say we did not remove any of
the AS2 components ...  But because AS2 and AS3 logic live in separate
virtual machines, were anyone from Adobe to say that they did not remove
functionality, I would think them disingenuous.

And please note that Grant did reply to that thread on his blog.  And
Grant's only reply is for us to email our requests for a comprehensive,
state of the art component set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  lol.

And with Flash Player 9 likely to be at 90% or so by the June
studyhttp://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2007/04/sneak_peek_at_t.cfm
this month, it is getting safe for us to be moving on to AS3 development.

I concur with Austin that Removing something like the tree component or web
services from flash 9 cs3 is a major mistake.  However, I neither work for
Adobe nor was I consulted when they made that (for us) fateful decision  :-(

Lastly, since gskinner.com and metaliq.com had teamed
uphttp://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2005/07/glic_is_dead.htmlin
the AS2 era to deliver the mCOM
components http://metaliq.com/mcom/, I kind of hoped that they would
deliver AS3 components to fill the gap.  Heck, Adobe did pay them to create
the Flash CS3 AS3
componentshttp://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2006/09/building_the_v3.html.
How hard would it be for them to create some more?  But based on my limited
conversations with Beau and others at Metaliq my sense is that this is not
going to happen  :-(

What really slays me is that all the early reviews of these components were
universally glowing.  Only now that we developers are going about our work
did anyone comment on the huge chunk of the component set that did not get
included in the Flash CS3 AS3 components.  But hey, that just get's back to
Kalani's I did not speak out verse at the top of this thread.

/rant

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


Good points.

My only thing on the upgrading is, you make an application that includes 
some components from version 8.


You then get the new software (version 9) and try to port an application 
over to use it in version 9 to take advantage of the speed and other 
features, etc. Skinning, e4X - Papervision!


You then cannot port the application over because you now have the 
components which you relied on from version 8 missing. So you now have 
to rewrite these or go find some alternate solution.


It just doesn't make a lot of sense on the business decision unless all 
flash developers are to now port existing projects over to flex. :)


It would be good if Adobe could make an official statement on this.



greg h wrote:

Regarding Jason's question, NO.  As yet Flash CS3 has no AS3
classes/components for WebService or Remoting.  And no where have I 
seen any

promised.  (I would like to see them, so if anyone from Adobe is on this
list and might like to tell us that there one day will be Flash CS3 
AS3 Data

Components, please chime in  :-)

If you would like to see the inventory of what we have, here is the top
level link for livedocs for Flash CS3:
http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/main/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm 



And here is the top level for the Flash CS3 ActionScript 3.0 Language 
and

Components Reference:
http://livedocs.adobe.com/flash/9.0/ActionScriptLangRefV3/index.html

Regarding integrate parts of the flex framework components into 
flash, as
Claus points out, there are issues.  I am confident that if it were 
straight
forward, Adobe would have done it for the Flash CS3 AS3 components.  
Though

this thread suggests that some of us consider the Flash CS3 AS3 component
set to be incomplete, one goal that Adobe did achieve was keeping them as
lightweight as possible.  As we all know, Flex is not lightweight.  
There is
the devil's bargain in component development.  What makes Flex Flex is 
that

it is not Flash.  And the fact that the Flash CS3 AS3 components are so
lightweight really highlights this.

fwiw ... Even going the easier route of integrating Flash AS3 content 
in to

Flex is a little involved.  Adobe has put up on labs the Adobe Flex
Component Kit for Adobe Flash CS3.  The thumbnail description is Allows
you to easily convert Flash content into Flex components providing 
seamless
integration between Flash CS3 and Flex.  But it is a one way street, 
Flash

into Flex only.  Details here:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Component_Kit_for_Flash_CS3

Regarding Austin's earlier statement about possible time factor
considerations, I assume that this is a hypothesis on Austin's part.  
Unless

Austin knows something that I don't know I am sticking with my firsthand
understanding that The decision to not rev all Flash 8 components up 
to AS3

was a conscious business decision.  No issues regarding time factors.
Just priorities.  I.e. conscious strategic business decisions.

I do totally concur with Austin that Most new releases of a software 
don't
remove functionality.  And Adobe might just say we did not remove 
any of

the AS2 components ...  But because AS2 and AS3 logic live in separate
virtual machines, were anyone from Adobe to say that they did not remove
functionality, I would think them disingenuous.

And please note that Grant did reply to that thread on his blog.  And
Grant's only reply is for us to email our requests for a comprehensive,
state of the art component set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  lol.

And with Flash Player 9 likely to be at 90% or so by the June
studyhttp://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2007/04/sneak_peek_at_t.cfm 


this month, it is getting safe for us to be moving on to AS3 development.

I concur with Austin that Removing something like the tree component 
or web
services from flash 9 cs3 is a major mistake.  However, I neither 
work for
Adobe nor was I consulted when they made that (for us) fateful 
decision  :-(


Lastly, since gskinner.com and metaliq.com had teamed
uphttp://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2005/07/glic_is_dead.htmlin
the AS2 era to deliver the mCOM
components http://metaliq.com/mcom/, I kind of hoped that they would
deliver AS3 components to fill the gap.  Heck, Adobe did pay them to 
create

the Flash CS3 AS3
componentshttp://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2006/09/building_the_v3.html. 

How hard would it be for them to create some more?  But based on my 
limited
conversations with Beau and others at Metaliq my sense is that this is 
not

going to happen  :-(

What really slays me is that all the early reviews of these components 
were
universally glowing.  Only now that we developers are going about our 
work
did anyone comment on the huge chunk of the component set that did not 
get
included in the Flash CS3 AS3 components.  But hey, that just get's 
back to

Kalani's I did not speak out verse at the top of this thread.

/rant

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


Spot on Austin.

Yup.  You then get the new software ... and try to port an application and
You then cannot ... because you ... have ... components ... missing.  Yes
sirree, that is how I figured it out.

Regarding It would be good if Adobe could make an official statement on
this.  Like maybe a technote?

I am tempted to bet you $100 that this will not happen.  But to me it is so
stupifying I imagine that at some point Adobe will need to put out at least
a technote or someting to explain this illogical gap.  (So I am not going to
offer the bet.)

And regarding all flash developers ... now port[ing] existing projects over
to flex.  Well, if anyone is porting their apps I am hoping it is to Flex.
... and not Silverlight.

As I wrote earlier I regret that Adobe has consciously chosen not to fully
support AS3 application development in both Flash and Flex.

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-02 Thread Randy Tinfow


 Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other components 
 requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them.

Which is the prod that finally has me looking seriously at Silverlight this 
weekend.  We have money and projects set aside for our first forays into CS3, 
but this makes me pause.

RT
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-02 Thread Rene Skou


Hi

You have to choose AS 2.0 inorder to use the tree component if you use AS
3.0 som components are missing

2007/6/1, Ung, Seng [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web
Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe
site for us to download the tree component?
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-02 Thread Randy Tinfow

 You have to choose AS 2.0 inorder to use the tree component 
 if you use AS 3.0 som components are missing

Exactly.

Unfortunately, those components are indispensable to us.  We use them
literally every day.

RT
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component and Web Service.

2007-06-02 Thread Austin Kottke

You know what's funny about the web service component missing from flash 
cs3?


It's actually in the help documentation as part of flash 9 CS 3:


Web services



Adobe® Flash® CS3 Professional includes the WebServiceConnector 
component that lets you connect to remote web services, send and receive 
data, and bind results to components. This lets Flash developers quickly 
create Rich Internet Applications without having to write a single line 
of ActionScript.


You can consume remote web services by using WebServiceClasses, which 
can require writing complex ActionScript.



Yet it's nowhere to be found in flash cs3 professional. Personally I 
dont care about the component as much as I do

the classes themselves.

Adobe?


Randy Tinfow wrote:
You have to choose AS 2.0 inorder to use the tree component 
if you use AS 3.0 som components are missing



Exactly.

Unfortunately, those components are indispensable to us.  We use them
literally every day.

RT
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component andWeb Service.

2007-06-02 Thread Muzak

If you open/create an ActionScript 2.0 document, the WebServiceConnector and 
all other Data components are still available. Those 
are the same ones as in the Flash 8 IDE.

The complaint is that there's no AS3 version of the Data components and some UI 
Components (like the Tree)

regards,
Muzak

- Original Message - 
From: Austin Kottke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component andWeb 
Service.


 You know what's funny about the web service component missing from flash cs3?

 It's actually in the help documentation as part of flash 9 CS 3:


 Web services



 Adobe Flash CS3 Professional includes the WebServiceConnector component that 
 lets you connect to remote web services, send and 
 receive data, and bind results to components. This lets Flash developers 
 quickly create Rich Internet Applications without having 
 to write a single line of ActionScript.

 You can consume remote web services by using WebServiceClasses, which can 
 require writing complex ActionScript.


 Yet it's nowhere to be found in flash cs3 professional. Personally I dont 
 care about the component as much as I do
 the classes themselves.

 Adobe?


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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-01 Thread Kalani Bright

Thats funny.  Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other
components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them.
Adobe's reign of terror and the rise of the Anti-Flash...Flex.

First they came for the Accordion
and I did not speak out
because I did not use the Accordion.
Then they came for the Menu  MenuBar
and I did not speak out
because I did not use them.
Then they came for the Alert, DateChooser, DateField, and Window
and I did not speak out
because I was didn't use them very much
Then they came for my Tree
and there was no one left
to speak out for me. 

http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/04/flash_cs3_compo.html (read
comments)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ung, Seng
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:17 PM
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web
Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site
for us to download the tree component?
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

That's not the only things *missing*..

No Flash Remoting
No Webservices

- Original Message - 
From: Kalani Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

 Thats funny.  Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other
 components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them.
 Adobe's reign of terror and the rise of the Anti-Flash...Flex.

 First they came for the Accordion
 and I did not speak out
 because I did not use the Accordion.
 Then they came for the Menu  MenuBar
 and I did not speak out
 because I did not use them.
 Then they came for the Alert, DateChooser, DateField, and Window
 and I did not speak out
 because I was didn't use them very much
 Then they came for my Tree
 and there was no one left
 to speak out for me.

 http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/04/flash_cs3_compo.html (read
 comments)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ung, Seng
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:17 PM
 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
 Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

 Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web
 Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site
 for us to download the tree component?

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-01 Thread Austin Kottke

I think it's kind of odd actually. Remove functionality in the newest 
version... I know they have to

convert all the components to as3 - seems kind of odd though.

The web service removal is a major problem though as this is kind of a 
basic.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-01 Thread Steven Sacks

Flash Remoting has always been a separate download, but I would think 
that they would have shipped it with CS3 considering.  I assume it's on 
their site as a separate download?



Muzak wrote:

That's not the only things *missing*..

No Flash Remoting
No Webservices



- Original Message - 
From: Kalani Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.



Thats funny.  Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other
components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them.
Adobe's reign of terror and the rise of the Anti-Flash...Flex.

First they came for the Accordion
and I did not speak out
because I did not use the Accordion.
Then they came for the Menu  MenuBar
and I did not speak out
because I did not use them.
Then they came for the Alert, DateChooser, DateField, and Window
and I did not speak out
because I was didn't use them very much
Then they came for my Tree
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/04/flash_cs3_compo.html (read
comments)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ung, Seng
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:17 PM
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web
Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site
for us to download the tree component?



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

I know it's a seperate download and have been checking the Adobe site now and 
then for a new release, but nothing..
One would think that they'd learn from previous *mistakes*.
Every new release people ask where's Flash Remoting?
IIRC it took Macromedia six months to come up with the first AS2 Remoting 
version. And they repeated that with Flash 8..

Now in all fairness, Remoting is not rocket science and it's not that hard to 
come up with your own version using NetConnection.
Or maybe we can just grab the Flex version and use that (haven't tried yet).

regards,
Muzak

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From: Steven Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


 Flash Remoting has always been a separate download, but I would think that 
 they would have shipped it with CS3 considering.  I 
 assume it's on their site as a separate download?


 Muzak wrote:
 That's not the only things *missing*..

 No Flash Remoting
 No Webservices



 - Original Message - 
 From: Kalani Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:11 AM
 Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


 Thats funny.  Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other
 components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them.
 Adobe's reign of terror and the rise of the Anti-Flash...Flex.

 First they came for the Accordion
 and I did not speak out
 because I did not use the Accordion.
 Then they came for the Menu  MenuBar
 and I did not speak out
 because I did not use them.
 Then they came for the Alert, DateChooser, DateField, and Window
 and I did not speak out
 because I was didn't use them very much
 Then they came for my Tree
 and there was no one left
 to speak out for me.

 http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/04/flash_cs3_compo.html (read
 comments)


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ung, Seng
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:17 PM
 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
 Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

 Has anyone noticed that the tree component is missing from the CS3 Web
 Premium prof. copy after the installation? Is there a link from Adobe site
 for us to download the tree component?



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-01 Thread iiley


Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other
components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them.


Hmm, maybe third-party component set is a good choice too, like
AsWinghttp://www.aswing.org,
it has Tree, Accordion, Menu  MenuBar ... :)

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

And I'll bet that not even half this list knows how to get them to work (no 
offense anyone).

regards,
Muzak

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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

 Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other
components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them.

 Hmm, maybe third-party component set is a good choice too, like
 AsWinghttp://www.aswing.org,
 it has Tree, Accordion, Menu  MenuBar ... :)

 -- 
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.

2007-06-01 Thread iiley


I agree with you Muzak, i guess so too.

But for a new framework, yes you need time to study, but i'll bet AsWing is
worth to spent minutes to try.

There are Tutorials : http://www.aswing.org/?page_id=6
There are Showcase : http://www.aswing.org/?page_id=7
Component Set Demo : http://demo.aswing.org/ComSet.swf ,
http://demo.aswing.org/ComSetSkin.swf

If you think it useful or interesting in minutes, then study it. Maybe its
new, maybe you are already familiar with it(If you know Swing).

Just, another choice of components.

Regards~~

2007/6/2, Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


And I'll bet that not even half this list knows how to get them to work
(no offense anyone).

regards,
Muzak

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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 Prof copy: missing Tree component.


 Adobe has put the axe to the tree component and many other
components requiring you to use Flex if you want to use them.

 Hmm, maybe third-party component set is a good choice too, like
 AsWinghttp://www.aswing.org,
 it has Tree, Accordion, Menu  MenuBar ... :)

 --
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