Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game, Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes
My only immediate thought - did the artist deliver his art files to you in Flash format? Are you sure he hasn't accidentally buried some code somewhere in the frames of one of those movieclips? HTH, Ian On 10/28/05, Buck Ruckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone! i really hope someone here can help out, because i think we have a doozie of a strange problem. snip ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game, Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes
(um ... i think you responded to the wrong person ... ?) From: JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game,Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:37:58 -0400 Line 65 of frame 12; you can't utilize onEnterFrame twice in an onClipEvent(initialize). - Original Message - From: Buck Ruckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game,Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes Hi everyone! i really hope someone here can help out, because i think we have a doozie of a strange problem. i partenered with an artist and built a game that takes place in a zoo. i built a stick and ball version while the artist built the graphics. The stick and ball version works fine on all the machines in our department. Then i incorporated and animated the artist's graphics, and something weird happened. On certain machines ... i *think* slower machines (i've ruled out browser type and version, and Flash player version) ... when you hold down the arrow keys to move the character, after about 1 second all the animation on the screen freezes. The monkey stops moving. The hippo stops moving. The penguin - yes, even the penguin - stops moving. It's tragic. Now it's not just the arrow keys. The problem happens when i hold down ANY key on the keyboard. i went back to my file and stripped out all listeners, all Key code, all enterframe scripts. Then i stripped out nearly every other piece of Actionscript except the code that dynamically places the animated zoo animals on screen. Still no good. Everything animates hunky-dorey on these problem machines until i hold down a key - any key - *** and there's NO Key code in the file. *** AND HERE'S THE REALLY WEIRD PART: i hold down a key and after one second, all screen animation halts. THE ANIMATION RESUMES WHEN I MOVE THE MOUSE AROUND. Let go of the key, the animations keep looping. Hold down a key and the animations stop. Move the mouse around while holding the key, and they keep playing. Stop moving the mouse, and they stop. And no, there's no Mouse code in the file either. In fact, there's barely any code in there at all. So! What in the heck is going on with this crazy thing? It works on most machines in our department, but on a handful of PC machines and our testing Mac it exhibits this bizarre behaviour. BIG BIG HUGE thanks to anyone who can shed some light. Do it for the animals. - Ryan Creighton _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game, Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes
Naw, just made it up. If Ian's comment doesn't help, post some code, and upload a SWF if you can. - Original Message - From: Buck Ruckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game,Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes (um ... i think you responded to the wrong person ... ?) From: JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game,Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:37:58 -0400 Line 65 of frame 12; you can't utilize onEnterFrame twice in an onClipEvent(initialize). - Original Message - From: Buck Ruckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game,Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes Hi everyone! i really hope someone here can help out, because i think we have a doozie of a strange problem. i partenered with an artist and built a game that takes place in a zoo. i built a stick and ball version while the artist built the graphics. The stick and ball version works fine on all the machines in our department. Then i incorporated and animated the artist's graphics, and something weird happened. On certain machines ... i *think* slower machines (i've ruled out browser type and version, and Flash player version) ... when you hold down the arrow keys to move the character, after about 1 second all the animation on the screen freezes. The monkey stops moving. The hippo stops moving. The penguin - yes, even the penguin - stops moving. It's tragic. Now it's not just the arrow keys. The problem happens when i hold down ANY key on the keyboard. i went back to my file and stripped out all listeners, all Key code, all enterframe scripts. Then i stripped out nearly every other piece of Actionscript except the code that dynamically places the animated zoo animals on screen. Still no good. Everything animates hunky-dorey on these problem machines until i hold down a key - any key - *** and there's NO Key code in the file. *** AND HERE'S THE REALLY WEIRD PART: i hold down a key and after one second, all screen animation halts. THE ANIMATION RESUMES WHEN I MOVE THE MOUSE AROUND. Let go of the key, the animations keep looping. Hold down a key and the animations stop. Move the mouse around while holding the key, and they keep playing. Stop moving the mouse, and they stop. And no, there's no Mouse code in the file either. In fact, there's barely any code in there at all. So! What in the heck is going on with this crazy thing? It works on most machines in our department, but on a handful of PC machines and our testing Mac it exhibits this bizarre behaviour. BIG BIG HUGE thanks to anyone who can shed some light. Do it for the animals. - Ryan Creighton _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game, Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes
Good thought. They were delivered in Flash format with zero code. The animal clips do have code in them. Here's the extent of it: Each animal clip has 3 frame labels - visible, hidden and noisy. Playhead burns through the stretch of hidden animation, does a random dice throw, goes to and plays one of the three labels. The variables this.isNoisy and this.isVisible are flagged true or false. By and large, this code existed in the animal clips in the stick and ball file. When the freeze happens, it doesn't seem to depend which animal is doing what or whether an animal is on a decision-making frame. All animal clips freeze at the same time - roughly 1 second after *any* key on the keyboard is pressed and held. When the mouse is moved around while the key is held, the animal clips haltingly play through normally, hitting those dice throws and flagging their variables without a problem. Stop moving the mouse, and they all freeze. Let go of the key, and they all play. As i mentioned, there's no Key, Mouse, Add/RemoveListener, setInterval or EnterFrame code in the file. - Ryan Creighton From: Ian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game,Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:41:11 +0100 My only immediate thought - did the artist deliver his art files to you in Flash format? Are you sure he hasn't accidentally buried some code somewhere in the frames of one of those movieclips? HTH, Ian On 10/28/05, Buck Ruckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone! i really hope someone here can help out, because i think we have a doozie of a strange problem. snip _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game, Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes
That does sound weird. If you're sure it's not stray code (or a stray component kicking around offstage somewhere or something), then all I can really suggest is my standard 'something's weird' debugging approach; to make a temporary copy of the app, and start peeling away bits of it until it starts working properly. Cut it down to one animal - does it still fail? Cut out the animals completely, put a different animation on the stage; does that halt? Cut out all the user interaction code; does it still fail? I'm sure you know the drill. Tedious, but tends to give you results. Other thoughts: - Is this running in the IDE or a browser? If a browser, which browser? Does it fail in a different browser? - Platform? - Is it a corrupt Flash file in some way? Does 'save and compact' solve the problem? What happens if you paste all the same assets into a brand new Flash file? - Are you using a loader? If so, are you sure that: i) The loader has no key-handling code in it ii) The loader doesn't load a class with the same package/Class name as something in your movie and overwrite it with different behaviour? Like Jester says, if you can maybe upload a file somewhere so that someone else can verify..? Sorry I can't be more definite, I'm still deeply suspicious of those Flash assets. :-) HTH, Ian On 10/28/05, Buck Ruckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good thought. They were delivered in Flash format with zero code. The animal clips do have code in them. Here's the extent of it: Each animal clip has 3 frame labels - visible, hidden and noisy. Playhead burns through the stretch of hidden animation, does a random dice throw, goes to and plays one of the three labels. The variables this.isNoisy and this.isVisible are flagged true or false. By and large, this code existed in the animal clips in the stick and ball file. snip ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] File under BIZARRE: Keyboard Freezes Game, Wiggling Mouse Unfreezes
Ah, we're getting somewhere... In Firefox 1.07 (my default browser) running Flash 8 it all seems to work fine. In IE 6 running Flash 7, it does, indeed, hang when I press a key. And restarts when I stop pressing the key. And gives me a memory error when I quit the browser. So is the difference that a bug in Flash has been cured from 7-8 - or that IE is buggier than Firefox? Votes? I will say that the whole app feels very clunky to me, like it's doing far too much work - but then I have a slow machine. Cheers, Ian On 10/28/05, Buck Ruckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a swf, where you can place yourself in the Bizarre problem happens to me or Bizarre problem doesn't happen to me camp. http://www.ytv.com/games/hasbro_chatnow/game.swf ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
