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Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?
Months start at 0 and go up to 11. Don't ask me why. John 2012/1/12 luvfotography ygro...@all-digital-links.com ** http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Date.html#methodSummary says: If you pass two or more arguments, the Date object is assigned a time value based on the argument values passed, which represent the date's year, month, date, hour, minute, second, and milliseconds. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, luvfotography ygroups@... wrote: Why does: trace((new Date(2012,01,15)).toString()); and trace((new Date('2012','01','15')).toString()); return: Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 GMT-0800 2012 February?? -- John *You're old enough to make your own decisions about the environment without me telling you what you should and shouldn't print. But if you do print, I hope this signature doesn't cause the message to go onto an additional page. Because that would be kind of stupid, wouldn't it?*
[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
I work on a very large flex application that runs within a web page. Most of the functionality is built within the flex application, but it does communicate to the server to get data and post results. I'm in the process of moving all this to a combination of restful web services written in C# and Javascript on the client. For the client my plan is to use Dojo. Moving a lot of code to javascript scares me since it's not as structured as actionscript or other compiled languages, but I really see no other choice. The main point I want to make is that I love Flex. I love how you can write an application to embed in a web page, then take that same code, put an air wrapper around it and have it run on mulitple OSes as a stand alone application with very little work, and believe it or not, it actually works everywhere. The unfortunate thing is that for web based applications, if you want to support the IPAD, and your application needs to be embeded in a webpage, you're screwed. I work for a major publisher that supplies colleges and high schools web based course management systems and we are getting a lot of pressure to have our stuff work on IPADs. For this reason alone, we need to convert to HTML5 and javascript. The main reason I'm not considering the ZKoss is that my group is a windows group. We have windows servers and are heavily invested in .Net. I admit the ZKoss stuff looks nice, but for us, it's really not an option. IMO, the bottom line is that the IPAD is killing Flex, and unless you're just writing stand alone applications, you should stop using Flex. It's a shame it's come to this though. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Ron G rgrimes@... wrote: I have used Flex since 2006, and I have used ZKoss within the last year. I can tell you that the learning curve of ZKoss is much lower than Flex, and the development cycle is even faster. In your spare time, if you're curious like me and like to check out different technologies, give it a whirl, just so you'll have a good comparison. I think you'll be impressed - even if you don't ever use it for a project. I think you'll agree that HTML/CSS/JS is not a faster development environment, regardless of IDE. Would truly love to hear your assessment of it at some point. Don't get me wrong. I was always a big fan of Flex and touted its virtues whenever I could over the past several years. So, I have nothing against it. I'll be using it for years as I maintain existing projects written in Flex. But, with respect, I think you do a disservice to continue to tell developers to use Flex. You are only telling them to build a backlog of projects that will have to be converted one day. But, I understand you work for Adobe and can't very well say exactly what you think developers should do. Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Alex Harui aharui@ wrote: Flex and FlashBuilder are not part of Adobe's HTML strategy per-se. FlashBuilder is being directed towards Gaming in Flash, Flex is being donated to the community. It is the community that has lots of investment in the Flex/AS/FP stack that are looking reworking the Flex paradigm to output to the HTML/CSS/JS stack. Meanwhile Adobe is not only updating Dreamweaver (see the PhoneGap features added in 5.5) but also looking at new tools for new development methodologies. While classic Java has been around for a while, and HTML/CSS/JS will likely meet your 15 year requirement, the question remains whether you will be willing to use more efficient and powerful development frameworks and methodologies over those years. If you don't, you might lose competitive advantage as your competition gets their products finished better or faster, but if you do, you run the risk of choosing a new set of tools that turns out not to have lasting power. Tough call, no right answer, the choice is yours. It looks like the Apache Flex folks are going to try to provide one of those new sets of tools by making it possible to use the Flex paradigm for the HTML stack.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?
I'm suspicious I think that the person that wrote the Date class is from Venus. Cheers, Rick Winscot From: John Fletcher fletch...@gmail.com Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:03:28 +0100 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem? Months start at 0 and go up to 11. Don't ask me why. John 2012/1/12 luvfotography ygro...@all-digital-links.com http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Date.html#m ethodSummary says: If you pass two or more arguments, the Date object is assigned a time value based on the argument values passed, which represent the date's year, month, date, hour, minute, second, and milliseconds. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , luvfotography ygroups@... wrote: Why does: trace((new Date(2012,01,15)).toString()); and trace((new Date('2012','01','15')).toString()); return: Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 GMT-0800 2012 February?? -- John You're old enough to make your own decisions about the environment without me telling you what you should and shouldn't print. But if you do print, I hope this signature doesn't cause the message to go onto an additional page. Because that would be kind of stupid, wouldn't it?
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
The fact that there is this discussion at all tells me something is up. I've been burned by Adobe before as an Authorware user, and again now as a Flash / Flex user, and that's twice too many times for this little black duck. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: 13 January 2012 13:26 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives I work on a very large flex application that runs within a web page. Most of the functionality is built within the flex application, but it does communicate to the server to get data and post results. I'm in the process of moving all this to a combination of restful web services written in C# and Javascript on the client. For the client my plan is to use Dojo. Moving a lot of code to javascript scares me since it's not as structured as actionscript or other compiled languages, but I really see no other choice. The main point I want to make is that I love Flex. I love how you can write an application to embed in a web page, then take that same code, put an air wrapper around it and have it run on mulitple OSes as a stand alone application with very little work, and believe it or not, it actually works everywhere. The unfortunate thing is that for web based applications, if you want to support the IPAD, and your application needs to be embeded in a webpage, you're screwed. I work for a major publisher that supplies colleges and high schools web based course management systems and we are getting a lot of pressure to have our stuff work on IPADs. For this reason alone, we need to convert to HTML5 and javascript. The main reason I'm not considering the ZKoss is that my group is a windows group. We have windows servers and are heavily invested in .Net. I admit the ZKoss stuff looks nice, but for us, it's really not an option. IMO, the bottom line is that the IPAD is killing Flex, and unless you're just writing stand alone applications, you should stop using Flex. It's a shame it's come to this though. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Ron G rgrimes@... wrote: I have used Flex since 2006, and I have used ZKoss within the last year. I can tell you that the learning curve of ZKoss is much lower than Flex, and the development cycle is even faster. In your spare time, if you're curious like me and like to check out different technologies, give it a whirl, just so you'll have a good comparison. I think you'll be impressed - even if you don't ever use it for a project. I think you'll agree that HTML/CSS/JS is not a faster development environment, regardless of IDE. Would truly love to hear your assessment of it at some point. Don't get me wrong. I was always a big fan of Flex and touted its virtues whenever I could over the past several years. So, I have nothing against it. I'll be using it for years as I maintain existing projects written in Flex. But, with respect, I think you do a disservice to continue to tell developers to use Flex. You are only telling them to build a backlog of projects that will have to be converted one day. But, I understand you work for Adobe and can't very well say exactly what you think developers should do. Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Alex Harui aharui@ wrote: Flex and FlashBuilder are not part of Adobe's HTML strategy per-se. FlashBuilder is being directed towards Gaming in Flash, Flex is being donated to the community. It is the community that has lots of investment in the Flex/AS/FP stack that are looking reworking the Flex paradigm to output to the HTML/CSS/JS stack. Meanwhile Adobe is not only updating Dreamweaver (see the PhoneGap features added in 5.5) but also looking at new tools for new development methodologies. While classic Java has been around for a while, and HTML/CSS/JS will likely meet your 15 year requirement, the question remains whether you will be willing to use more efficient and powerful development frameworks and methodologies over those years. If you don't, you might lose competitive advantage as your competition gets their products finished better or faster, but if you do, you run the risk of choosing a new set of tools that turns out not to have lasting power. Tough call, no right answer, the choice is yours. It looks like the Apache Flex folks are going to try to provide one of those new sets of tools by making it possible to use the Flex paradigm for the HTML stack. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not
[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
We are staying with Flex as well but keeping an eye on what is happening. I work for a very large enterprise company and it takes a while for our IT department to test software before deployment. They have almost completed Windows 7 and have a tentative deployment start of 2012. In late 2011 IE7 was ratified and became the company standard for web browsing. Up until then we had to stay with IE6! As far as we are concerned HTML5/JS is not ready for prime time. Many enterprise customers are in the same boat and do not deliver the bleeding edge to their users. Once there is a viable ecosystem available for HTML5/JS (Including mature IDE's of the same value as Flash Builder with Flex) we will seriously look at them. I really don't see that happening for at least 5 years. On a side note, I like the look of ZKoss. I don't know if there are cross browser issues with it seeing as we use older versions of browsers. One of the great features of Flex is we don't have to bother coding for compatibility between different browsers and versions. When IT deployed IE7, Flex applications worked just as they had before. Anyway, just my 2c from the enterprise perspective. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, michael_regert@... wrote: Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere. Michael From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron G Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based framework on the client-side. The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent components to Flex. In fact, it actually has more components than Flex. It implements an approach that I really like of separating the UI into appearance and behavior - much like the Spark components of Flex. Well, not exactly, but sort of. :) Here's what I mean. For each UI object, it has a client side (widget) and server side (component). I won't go into further detail, but it gives you a nice separation of concerns that you can avail yourself of. This feature also greatly insulates the rendered pages from x-browser compatibility issues. Check it out for yourself at their site (zkoss.org). Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Sal sal.celli@mailto:sal.celli@ wrote: hi, as i can sadly see from the message history bottom grid, many programmers are leaving flex. So this thread is to ask you all, if you have already found a valid alternative to flex for RIA development.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?
Or maybe the person that wrote the Java Date class is from Venus and the person that wrote the Actionscript one just copied him. You might get quite some support on the Java assertion... John 2012/1/13 Rick Winscot rick.wins...@zyche.com ** I'm suspicious… I think that the person that wrote the Date class is from Venus. Cheers, Rick Winscot From: John Fletcher fletch...@gmail.com Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:03:28 +0100 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem? Months start at 0 and go up to 11. Don't ask me why. John 2012/1/12 luvfotography ygro...@all-digital-links.com ** http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Date.html#methodSummary says: If you pass two or more arguments, the Date object is assigned a time value based on the argument values passed, which represent the date's year, month, date, hour, minute, second, and milliseconds. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, luvfotography ygroups@... wrote: Why does: trace((new Date(2012,01,15)).toString()); and trace((new Date('2012','01','15')).toString()); return: Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 GMT-0800 2012 February?? -- John *You're old enough to make your own decisions about the environment without me telling you what you should and shouldn't print. But if you do print, I hope this signature doesn't cause the message to go onto an additional page. Because that would be kind of stupid, wouldn't it?*
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
You bring up some good points. I have been on a few calls between our company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements were made. We grilled them with questions, and though I won't fully disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident enough to stick with Adobe Flex. We realize that long-term, technologies shift. I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI. Now doing UIs in Flex. In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some other new technology? Who knows. But for now, I'm actually excited to have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any challenges making it Open Source may bring. The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 products for 2011 by CRN. Didn't see any HTML 5 apps there. I think this says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground. The technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term direction, and your talent pool. I'd recommend not jumping ship, just to jump ship. You never know where that ship may sail! Michael J. Regert From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron G Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Hi James, I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long. I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its future is digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the question, How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an open-source Flex community's enterprise web application development goals and wishes? To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required. So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it. On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being around indefinitely. But, not Flex. Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, James Ong yanlilei64@...mailto:yanlilei64@... wrote: Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing desktop applications and gaming. Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such thing as abandon, some developers are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than necessary. When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use Flex for mobile, desktop and components within the web browser. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, michael_regert@...mailto:michael_regert@... wrote: ** Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere. ** ** *Michael* ** ** *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron G *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives ** ** Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based framework on the client-side. The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent components to Flex. In fact, it actually has more components than Flex. It implements an approach that I really like of separating the UI into appearance and behavior - much like the Spark components of Flex. Well, not exactly, but sort of. :) Here's what I mean. For each UI object, it has a client side (widget) and server side (component). I won't go into further detail, but it gives you a nice separation of concerns that you can avail yourself of. This feature also greatly insulates the rendered pages from x-browser compatibility issues. Check it out for yourself at their site (zkoss.org). Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Sal sal.celli@ wrote: hi, as i can sadly see from the message history bottom
[flexcoders] Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.
Hi Team, I have a question on migration from FLEX to HTML5. This question may be little out of the discussion in here; It would be great if someone help me out. I have a java server side application. It had a class that exposed a bundle of routines that are needed for the flex front end to drive the backend. I connect this class using with blazeds and get access to all the routines within and able to work just fine. It worked like a charm and everyone was happy till date. Now, I have a parallel requirement to build a HTML5 equivalent front end that does the same. I am asked to provide a estimate and possible frameworks that can be used with ease. Can someone put down any views if they have. Thanks. Scenario. Java back end remains the same – Build an interactive HTML5 webpage just looking similar to my current flash version - there is a submit_button() java routine which I have to call when a button on HTML page is clicked – Web server used is Jetty – Please Comment! Thanks!! Cheers, Venkat.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just business. Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player? Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo? On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM, michael_reg...@dell.com wrote: ** You bring up some good points. I have been on a few calls between our company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements were made. We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident enough to stick with Adobe Flex. We realize that long-term, technologies shift. I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI. Now doing UIs in Flex. In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some other new technology? Who knows. But for now, I’m actually excited to have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any challenges making it Open Source may bring. ** ** The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 products for 2011 by CRN. Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there. I think this says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground. The technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term direction, and your talent pool. I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to jump ship. You never know where that ship may sail! ** ** *Michael J. Regert*** ** ** *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron G *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives ** ** Hi James, I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long. I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its future is digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the question, How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an open-source Flex community's enterprise web application development goals and wishes? To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required. So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it. On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being around indefinitely. But, not Flex. Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, James Ong yanlilei64@... wrote: Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing desktop applications and gaming. Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such thing as abandon, some developers are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than necessary. When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use Flex for mobile, desktop and components within the web browser. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, michael_regert@... wrote: ** Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere. ** ** *Michael* ** ** *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron G *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives ** ** Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a Java shop, on the
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
I meant to say prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that doesn't depend on a proprietary runtime On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote: I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just business. Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player? Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo? On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM, michael_reg...@dell.com wrote: ** You bring up some good points. I have been on a few calls between our company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements were made. We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident enough to stick with Adobe Flex. We realize that long-term, technologies shift. I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI. Now doing UIs in Flex. In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some other new technology? Who knows. But for now, I’m actually excited to have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any challenges making it Open Source may bring. ** ** The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 products for 2011 by CRN. Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there. I think this says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground. The technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term direction, and your talent pool. I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to jump ship. You never know where that ship may sail! ** ** *Michael J. Regert*** ** ** *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron G *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives ** ** Hi James, I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long. I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its future is digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the question, How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an open-source Flex community's enterprise web application development goals and wishes? To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required. So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it. On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being around indefinitely. But, not Flex. Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, James Ong yanlilei64@... wrote: Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing desktop applications and gaming. Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such thing as abandon, some developers are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than necessary. When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use Flex for mobile, desktop and components within the web browser. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, michael_regert@... wrote: ** Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere. ** ** *Michael* ** ** *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron G *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM *To:*
[flexcoders] Re: Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.
On another thread someone mentioned zkoss. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Venkat M venkat_yum@... wrote: Hi Team,  I have a question on migration from FLEX to HTML5. This question may be little out of the discussion in here; It would be great if someone help me out.  I have a java server side application. It had a class that exposed a bundle of routines that are needed for the flex front end to drive the backend. I connect this class using with blazeds and get access to all the routines within and able to work just fine. It worked like a charm and everyone was happy till date.  Now, I have a parallel requirement to build a HTML5 equivalent front end that does the same. I am asked to provide a estimate and possible frameworks that can be used with ease. Can someone put down any views if they have. Thanks.  Scenario. Java back end remains the same â Build an interactive HTML5 webpage just looking similar to my current flash version - there is a submit_button() java routine which I have to call when a button on HTML page is clicked â Web server used is Jetty â Please Comment!  Thanks!!  Cheers, Venkat.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.
I am doing something similiar currently. I am evaluating GWT as a possible replacement for an app that I would have built with Flex. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM, valdhor valdhorli...@embarqmail.comwrote: ** On another thread someone mentioned zkoss. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Venkat M venkat_yum@... wrote: Hi Team,  I have a question on migration from FLEX to HTML5. This question may be little out of the discussion in here; It would be great if someone help me out.  I have a java server side application. It had a class that exposed a bundle of routines that are needed for the flex front end to drive the backend. I connect this class using with blazeds and get access to all the routines within and able to work just fine. It worked like a charm and everyone was happy till date.  Now, I have a parallel requirement to build a HTML5 equivalent front end that does the same. I am asked to provide a estimate and possible frameworks that can be used with ease. Can someone put down any views if they have. Thanks.  Scenario. Java back end remains the same †Build an interactive HTML5 webpage just looking similar to my current flash version - there is a submit_button() java routine which I have to call when a button on HTML page is clicked †Web server used is Jetty †Please Comment!  Thanks!!  Cheers, Venkat. -- Regards, Ganaraj P R
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Open-sourcing AIR would be an awesome thing, but the Apache project has to assume it won’t happen. On 1/13/12 9:19 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote: I meant to say prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that doesn't depend on a proprietary runtime On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote: I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just business. Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player? Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo? On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM, michael_reg...@dell.com wrote: You bring up some good points. I have been on a few calls between our company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements were made. We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident enough to stick with Adobe Flex. We realize that long-term, technologies shift. I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI. Now doing UIs in Flex. In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some other new technology? Who knows. But for now, I’m actually excited to have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any challenges making it Open Source may bring. The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 products for 2011 by CRN. Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there. I think this says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground. The technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term direction, and your talent pool. I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to jump ship. You never know where that ship may sail! Michael J. Regert From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron G Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Hi James, I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long. I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its future is digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the question, How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an open-source Flex community's enterprise web application development goals and wishes? To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required. So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it. On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being around indefinitely. But, not Flex. Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , James Ong yanlilei64@... wrote: Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing desktop applications and gaming. Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such thing as abandon, some developers are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than necessary. When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use Flex for mobile, desktop and components within the web browser. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, michael_regert@... wrote: ** Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere. ** ** *Michael* ** ** *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Apache FlashKit ! On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: ** Open-sourcing AIR would be an awesome thing, but the Apache project has to assume it won’t happen. On 1/13/12 9:19 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote: I meant to say prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that doesn't depend on a proprietary runtime On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote: I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just business. Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player? Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo? On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM, michael_reg...@dell.com wrote: You bring up some good points. I have been on a few calls between our company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements were made. We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident enough to stick with Adobe Flex. We realize that long-term, technologies shift. I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI. Now doing UIs in Flex. In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some other new technology? Who knows. But for now, I’m actually excited to have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any challenges making it Open Source may bring. The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 products for 2011 by CRN. Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there. I think this says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground. The technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term direction, and your talent pool. I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to jump ship. You never know where that ship may sail! *Michael J. Regert * *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron G *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Hi James, I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long. I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its future is digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the question, How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an open-source Flex community's enterprise web application development goals and wishes? To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required. So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it. On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being around indefinitely. But, not Flex. Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , James Ong yanlilei64@... wrote: Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing desktop applications and gaming. Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such thing as abandon, some developers are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than necessary. When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use Flex for mobile, desktop and components within the web browser. On Thu,
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.
Zkoss is a backend I believe. Although I don’t use BlazeDS, I believe that uses adoble’s AMF (binary) format. If so you would need to search for a javascript library that works with AMF. Perhaps BlazeDS has a flag you can set so it generates XML instead. Sorry I cannot help more. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of valdhor Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:27 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX. On another thread someone mentioned zkoss. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Venkat M venkat_yum@... wrote: Hi Team,  I have a question on migration from FLEX to HTML5. This question may be little out of the discussion in here; It would be great if someone help me out.  I have a java server side application. It had a class that exposed a bundle of routines that are needed for the flex front end to drive the backend. I connect this class using with blazeds and get access to all the routines within and able to work just fine. It worked like a charm and everyone was happy till date.  Now, I have a parallel requirement to build a HTML5 equivalent front end that does the same. I am asked to provide a estimate and possible frameworks that can be used with ease. Can someone put down any views if they have. Thanks.  Scenario. Java back end remains the same †Build an interactive HTML5 webpage just looking similar to my current flash version - there is a submit_button() java routine which I have to call when a button on HTML page is clicked †Web server used is Jetty †Please Comment!  Thanks!!  Cheers, Venkat.
[flexcoders] Re: HTML component with PDF disappears on rotate/scale
Adobe Reader plugin,how to use it in flex? Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, dorkie dork from dorktown dorkiedorkfromdorktown@... wrote: I think the PDF is being displayed in the Adobe Reader plugin and layered on top of your SWF. It doesn't support rotation at least not via component rotation property. You may be able to talk to the Reader plugin and specify a way to rotate it. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM, markflex2007 markflex2007@...wrote: ** Please help me. I need to fix it. Thanks Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, markflex2007 markflex2007@ wrote: I have same issue like: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/712793?tstart=0 I rotate 90 degree for mx:HTML , but it disappear . any way to fix the issue. Thanks Mark
RE: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?
ECMAScript did it this way and ActionScript was trying to follow ECMAScript. - Gordon From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Fletcher Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:23 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem? Or maybe the person that wrote the Java Date class is from Venus and the person that wrote the Actionscript one just copied him. You might get quite some support on the Java assertion... John 2012/1/13 Rick Winscot rick.wins...@zyche.commailto:rick.wins...@zyche.com I'm suspicious... I think that the person that wrote the Date class is from Venus. Cheers, Rick Winscot From: John Fletcher fletch...@gmail.commailto:fletch...@gmail.com Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:03:28 +0100 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem? Months start at 0 and go up to 11. Don't ask me why. John 2012/1/12 luvfotography ygro...@all-digital-links.commailto:ygro...@all-digital-links.com http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Date.html#methodSummary says: If you pass two or more arguments, the Date object is assigned a time value based on the argument values passed, which represent the date's year, month, date, hour, minute, second, and milliseconds. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, luvfotography ygroups@...mailto:ygroups@... wrote: Why does: trace((new Date(2012,01,15)).toString()); and trace((new Date('2012','01','15')).toString()); return: Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 GMT-0800 2012 February?? -- John You're old enough to make your own decisions about the environment without me telling you what you should and shouldn't print. But if you do print, I hope this signature doesn't cause the message to go onto an additional page. Because that would be kind of stupid, wouldn't it?