[flexcoders] Hello How are you?...

2012-01-13 Thread srikanth reddy
pI couldnt even afford groceries for the month this is so unique I knew I had 
to make a move fastbra 
href=http://www.tusmaquinas.com/web/newsjournal/25AndrewRichardson/;http://www.tusmaquinas.com/web/newsjournal/25AndrewRichardson//a
 I am back in controlbrdont hesitate trying this out.../p


Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?

2012-01-13 Thread John Fletcher
Months start at 0 and go up to 11.

Don't ask me why.

John

2012/1/12 luvfotography ygro...@all-digital-links.com

 **



 http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Date.html#methodSummary

 says:

 If you pass two or more arguments, the Date object is assigned a time
 value based on the argument values passed, which represent the date's year,
 month, date, hour, minute, second, and milliseconds.


 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, luvfotography ygroups@... wrote:
 
  Why does:
  trace((new Date(2012,01,15)).toString());
  and
  trace((new Date('2012','01','15')).toString());
 
  return:
 
  Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 GMT-0800 2012
 
  February??
 

  




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[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-13 Thread Mark
I work on a very large flex application that runs within a web page.  Most of 
the functionality is built within the flex application, but it does  
communicate to the server to get data and post results.

I'm in the process of moving all this to a combination of restful web services 
written in C# and Javascript on the client.  For the client my plan is to use 
Dojo.  Moving a lot of code to javascript scares me since it's not as 
structured as actionscript or other compiled languages, but I really see no 
other choice.

The main point I want to make is that I love Flex.  I love how you can write an 
application to embed in a web page, then take that same code, put an air 
wrapper around it and have it run on mulitple OSes as a stand alone application 
with very little work, and believe it or not, it actually works everywhere.

The unfortunate thing is that for web based applications, if you want to 
support the IPAD, and your application needs to be embeded in a webpage, you're 
screwed.  I work for a major publisher that supplies colleges and high schools 
web based course management systems and we are getting a lot of pressure to 
have our stuff work on IPADs.

For this reason alone, we need to convert to HTML5 and javascript.  The main 
reason I'm not considering the ZKoss is that my group is a windows group.  We 
have windows servers and are heavily invested in .Net.  I admit the ZKoss stuff 
looks nice, but for us, it's really not an option.

IMO, the bottom line is that the IPAD is killing Flex, and unless you're just 
writing stand alone applications, you should stop using Flex.  It's a shame 
it's come to this though.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Ron G rgrimes@... wrote:

 
 I have used Flex since 2006, and I have used ZKoss within the last year. I 
 can tell you that the learning curve of ZKoss is much lower than Flex, and 
 the development cycle is even faster. In your spare time, if you're curious 
 like me and like to check out different technologies, give it a whirl, just 
 so you'll have a good comparison. I think you'll be impressed - even if you 
 don't ever use it for a project. I think you'll agree that HTML/CSS/JS is not 
 a faster development environment, regardless of IDE. 
 
 Would truly love to hear your assessment of it at some point. 
 
 Don't get me wrong. I was always a big fan of Flex and touted its virtues 
 whenever I could over the past several years. So, I have nothing against it. 
 I'll be using it for years as I maintain existing projects written in Flex. 
 But, with respect, I think you do a disservice to continue  to tell 
 developers to use Flex. You are only telling them to build a backlog of 
 projects that will have to be converted  one day. But, I understand you work 
 for Adobe and can't very well say exactly what you think developers should 
 do. 
 
 Ron
 
 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Alex Harui aharui@ wrote:
 
  Flex and FlashBuilder are not part of Adobe's HTML strategy per-se.  
  FlashBuilder is being directed towards Gaming in Flash, Flex is being 
  donated to the community.  It is the community that has lots of investment 
  in the Flex/AS/FP stack that are looking reworking the Flex paradigm to 
  output to the HTML/CSS/JS stack.
  
  Meanwhile Adobe is not only updating Dreamweaver (see the PhoneGap features 
  added in 5.5) but also looking at new tools for new development 
  methodologies.  While classic Java has been around for a while, and 
  HTML/CSS/JS will likely meet your 15 year requirement, the question remains 
  whether you will be willing to use more efficient and powerful development 
  frameworks and methodologies over those years.  If you don't, you might 
  lose competitive advantage as your competition gets their products finished 
  better or faster, but if you do, you run the risk of choosing a new set of 
  tools that turns out not to have lasting power.  Tough call, no right 
  answer, the choice is yours.
  
  It looks like the Apache Flex folks are going to try to provide one of 
  those new sets of tools by making it possible to use the Flex paradigm for 
  the HTML stack.





Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?

2012-01-13 Thread Rick Winscot
I'm suspiciousŠ I think that the person that wrote the Date class is from
Venus.

Cheers,

Rick Winscot

From:  John Fletcher fletch...@gmail.com
Reply-To:  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Date:  Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:03:28 +0100
To:  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject:  Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?

 
 
 
   

Months start at 0 and go up to 11.
 
Don't ask me why.
 
John

2012/1/12 luvfotography ygro...@all-digital-links.com
  
  
  

 
 http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Date.html#m
 ethodSummary
 
 says: 
 
 If you pass two or more arguments, the Date object is assigned a time value
 based on the argument values passed, which represent the date's year, month,
 date, hour, minute, second, and milliseconds.
 
 
 
 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com ,
 luvfotography ygroups@... wrote:
 
  Why does:
  trace((new Date(2012,01,15)).toString());
  and
  trace((new Date('2012','01','15')).toString());
  
  return:
  
  Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 GMT-0800 2012
  
  February??
 
 
 
  
 

  



-- 
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You're old enough to make your own decisions about the environment without
me telling you what you should and shouldn't print. But if you do print, I
hope this signature doesn't cause the message to go onto an additional page.
Because that would be kind of stupid, wouldn't it?


 
   

 




RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-13 Thread Julian Tenney
The fact that there is this discussion at all tells me something is up. I've 
been burned by Adobe before as an Authorware user, and again now as a Flash / 
Flex user, and that's twice too many times for this little black duck.

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mark
Sent: 13 January 2012 13:26
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives



I work on a very large flex application that runs within a web page. Most of 
the functionality is built within the flex application, but it does communicate 
to the server to get data and post results.

I'm in the process of moving all this to a combination of restful web services 
written in C# and Javascript on the client. For the client my plan is to use 
Dojo. Moving a lot of code to javascript scares me since it's not as structured 
as actionscript or other compiled languages, but I really see no other choice.

The main point I want to make is that I love Flex. I love how you can write an 
application to embed in a web page, then take that same code, put an air 
wrapper around it and have it run on mulitple OSes as a stand alone application 
with very little work, and believe it or not, it actually works everywhere.

The unfortunate thing is that for web based applications, if you want to 
support the IPAD, and your application needs to be embeded in a webpage, you're 
screwed. I work for a major publisher that supplies colleges and high schools 
web based course management systems and we are getting a lot of pressure to 
have our stuff work on IPADs.

For this reason alone, we need to convert to HTML5 and javascript. The main 
reason I'm not considering the ZKoss is that my group is a windows group. We 
have windows servers and are heavily invested in .Net. I admit the ZKoss stuff 
looks nice, but for us, it's really not an option.

IMO, the bottom line is that the IPAD is killing Flex, and unless you're just 
writing stand alone applications, you should stop using Flex. It's a shame it's 
come to this though.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Ron G 
rgrimes@... wrote:


 I have used Flex since 2006, and I have used ZKoss within the last year. I 
 can tell you that the learning curve of ZKoss is much lower than Flex, and 
 the development cycle is even faster. In your spare time, if you're curious 
 like me and like to check out different technologies, give it a whirl, just 
 so you'll have a good comparison. I think you'll be impressed - even if you 
 don't ever use it for a project. I think you'll agree that HTML/CSS/JS is not 
 a faster development environment, regardless of IDE.

 Would truly love to hear your assessment of it at some point.

 Don't get me wrong. I was always a big fan of Flex and touted its virtues 
 whenever I could over the past several years. So, I have nothing against it. 
 I'll be using it for years as I maintain existing projects written in Flex. 
 But, with respect, I think you do a disservice to continue to tell developers 
 to use Flex. You are only telling them to build a backlog of projects that 
 will have to be converted one day. But, I understand you work for Adobe and 
 can't very well say exactly what you think developers should do.

 Ron

 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Alex 
 Harui aharui@ wrote:
 
  Flex and FlashBuilder are not part of Adobe's HTML strategy per-se. 
  FlashBuilder is being directed towards Gaming in Flash, Flex is being 
  donated to the community. It is the community that has lots of investment 
  in the Flex/AS/FP stack that are looking reworking the Flex paradigm to 
  output to the HTML/CSS/JS stack.
 
  Meanwhile Adobe is not only updating Dreamweaver (see the PhoneGap features 
  added in 5.5) but also looking at new tools for new development 
  methodologies. While classic Java has been around for a while, and 
  HTML/CSS/JS will likely meet your 15 year requirement, the question remains 
  whether you will be willing to use more efficient and powerful development 
  frameworks and methodologies over those years. If you don't, you might lose 
  competitive advantage as your competition gets their products finished 
  better or faster, but if you do, you run the risk of choosing a new set of 
  tools that turns out not to have lasting power. Tough call, no right 
  answer, the choice is yours.
 
  It looks like the Apache Flex folks are going to try to provide one of 
  those new sets of tools by making it possible to use the Flex paradigm for 
  the HTML stack.


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[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-13 Thread valdhor
We are staying with Flex as well but keeping an eye on what is happening.

I work for a very large enterprise company and it takes a while for our IT 
department to test software before deployment. They have almost completed 
Windows 7 and have a tentative deployment start of 2012. In late 2011 IE7 was 
ratified and became the company standard for web browsing. Up until then we had 
to stay with IE6!

As far as we are concerned HTML5/JS is not ready for prime time. Many 
enterprise customers are in the same boat and do not deliver the bleeding edge 
to their users.

Once there is a viable ecosystem available for HTML5/JS (Including mature IDE's 
of the same value as Flash Builder with Flex) we will seriously look at them. I 
really don't see that happening for at least 5 years.

On a side note, I like the look of ZKoss. I don't know if there are cross 
browser issues with it seeing as we use older versions of browsers. One of the 
great features of Flex is we don't have to bother coding for compatibility 
between different browsers and versions. When IT deployed IE7, Flex 
applications worked just as they had before.

Anyway, just my 2c from the enterprise perspective.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, michael_regert@... wrote:

 Staying with Flex.  Not looking elsewhere.
 
 Michael
 
 From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Ron G
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
 
 
 
 Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a 
 Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based 
 framework on the client-side.
 
 The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent 
 components to Flex. In fact, it actually has more components than Flex.
 
 It implements an approach that I really like of separating the UI into 
 appearance and behavior - much like the Spark components of Flex. Well, not 
 exactly, but sort of. :) Here's what I mean. For each UI object, it has a 
 client side (widget) and server side (component). I won't go into further 
 detail, but it gives you a nice separation of concerns that you can avail 
 yourself of. This feature also greatly insulates the rendered pages from 
 x-browser compatibility issues.
 
 Check it out for yourself at their site (zkoss.org).
 
 Ron
 
 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Sal 
 sal.celli@mailto:sal.celli@ wrote:
 
  hi,
  as i can sadly see from the message history bottom grid, many programmers 
  are leaving flex.
  So this thread is to ask you all, if you have already found a valid 
  alternative to flex for RIA development.
 





Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?

2012-01-13 Thread John Fletcher
Or maybe the person that wrote the Java Date class is from Venus and
the person that wrote the Actionscript one just copied him. You might get
quite some support on the Java assertion...

John

2012/1/13 Rick Winscot rick.wins...@zyche.com

 **


 I'm suspicious… I think that the person that wrote the Date class is from
 Venus.

 Cheers,

 Rick Winscot

 From: John Fletcher fletch...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:03:28 +0100
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?



 Months start at 0 and go up to 11.

 Don't ask me why.

 John

 2012/1/12 luvfotography ygro...@all-digital-links.com

 **



 http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Date.html#methodSummary

 says:

 If you pass two or more arguments, the Date object is assigned a time
 value based on the argument values passed, which represent the date's year,
 month, date, hour, minute, second, and milliseconds.


 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, luvfotography ygroups@... wrote:
 
  Why does:
  trace((new Date(2012,01,15)).toString());
  and
  trace((new Date('2012','01','15')).toString());
 
  return:
 
  Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 GMT-0800 2012
 
  February??
 




 --
 John

 *You're old enough to make your own decisions about the environment
 without me telling you what you should and shouldn't print. But if you do
 print, I hope this signature doesn't cause the message to go onto an
 additional page. Because that would be kind of stupid, wouldn't it?*

   



RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-13 Thread michael_regert
You bring up some good points.  I have been on a few calls between our company 
and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements were made.  
We grilled them with questions, and though I won't fully disclose many of their 
answers here, our development teams were confident enough to stick with Adobe 
Flex.  We realize that long-term, technologies shift.  I started out as a C++ 
developer doing low-level SCSI.  Now doing UIs in Flex.  In 5 years will I be 
doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some other new technology?  Who knows.  But for 
now, I'm actually excited to have a greater role in the direction Flex takes 
for now, and welcome any challenges making it Open Source may bring.

The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 
products for 2011 by CRN.  Didn't see any HTML 5 apps there.  I think this says 
something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground.  The technology 
decision should be based on your projects, your long-term direction, and your 
talent pool.  I'd recommend not jumping ship, just to jump ship.  You never 
know where that ship may sail!

Michael J. Regert

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Ron G
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives



Hi James,

I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I 
would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be 
developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long.

I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the one 
hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise 
application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary 
runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its future is 
digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the future of 
enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the question, 
How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an open-source Flex 
community's enterprise web application development goals and wishes?

To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its 
expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the features 
the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means that, by 
supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an unnecessarily larger 
footprint than would otherwise be required.

So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by Adobe 
in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it.

On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop digital 
media for their applications, they can probably count on that being around 
indefinitely. But, not Flex.

Ron

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, James 
Ong yanlilei64@...mailto:yanlilei64@... wrote:

 Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing
 desktop applications and gaming.
 Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such thing
 as abandon, some developers
 are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than necessary.

 When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use
 Flex for mobile, desktop and
 components within the web browser.


 On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, 
 michael_regert@...mailto:michael_regert@... wrote:

  **
 
 
  Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere.
 
  ** **
 
  *Michael*
 
  ** **
 
  *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com] *On
  Behalf Of *Ron G
  *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM
  *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com
  *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
 
  ** **
 
  
 
  Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a
  Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based
  framework on the client-side.
 
  The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent
  components to Flex. In fact, it actually has more components than Flex.
 
  It implements an approach that I really like of separating the UI into
  appearance and behavior - much like the Spark components of Flex. Well, not
  exactly, but sort of. :) Here's what I mean. For each UI object, it has a
  client side (widget) and server side (component). I won't go into further
  detail, but it gives you a nice separation of concerns that you can avail
  yourself of. This feature also greatly insulates the rendered pages from
  x-browser compatibility issues.
 
  Check it out for yourself at their site (zkoss.org).
 
  Ron
 
  --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, 
  Sal sal.celli@ wrote:
  
   hi,
   as i can sadly see from the message history bottom 

[flexcoders] Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.

2012-01-13 Thread Venkat M
Hi Team,
 
I have a question on migration from FLEX to HTML5. This
question may be little out of the discussion in here; It would be great if 
someone
help me out.
 
I have a java server side application. It had a class that
exposed a bundle of routines that are needed for the flex front end to drive
the backend. I connect this class using with blazeds and get access to all the
routines within and able to work just fine. It worked like a charm and everyone
was happy till date.
 
Now, I have a parallel requirement to build a HTML5 equivalent
front end that does the same. I am asked to provide a estimate and possible 
frameworks
that can be used with ease. Can someone put down any views if they have.
Thanks.
 
Scenario.  Java back end remains the same – Build an
interactive HTML5 webpage just looking similar to my current flash version  - 
there is a submit_button() java routine
which I have to call when a button on HTML page is clicked – Web server used is
Jetty – Please Comment! 
 
Thanks!!
 
Cheers,
Venkat. 

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-13 Thread Richard Rodseth
I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache
project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing
was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow
browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just
business.

Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for
cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch
the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now
that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the
way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while
still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that
further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform
mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on
still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player?

Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo?

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM, michael_reg...@dell.com wrote:

 **


 You bring up some good points.  I have been on a few calls between our
 company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements
 were made.  We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully
 disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident
 enough to stick with Adobe Flex.  We realize that long-term, technologies
 shift.  I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI.  Now doing
 UIs in Flex.  In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some
 other new technology?  Who knows.  But for now, I’m actually excited to
 have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any
 challenges making it Open Source may bring.  

 ** **

 The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15
 products for 2011 by CRN.  Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there.  I think this
 says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground.  The
 technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term
 direction, and your talent pool.  I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to
 jump ship.  You never know where that ship may sail!

 ** **

 *Michael J. Regert***

 ** **

 *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Ron G
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM

 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

 ** **

   

 Hi James,


 I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but
 I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be
 developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long.

 I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the
 one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise
 application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary
 runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its
 future is digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the
 future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the
 question, How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an
 open-source Flex community's enterprise web application development goals
 and wishes?

 To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its
 expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the
 features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means
 that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an
 unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required.

 So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by
 Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it.

 On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop
 digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being
 around indefinitely. But, not Flex.

 Ron

 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, James Ong yanlilei64@... wrote:
 
  Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing
  desktop applications and gaming.
  Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such
 thing
  as abandon, some developers
  are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than
 necessary.
 
  When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use
  Flex for mobile, desktop and
  components within the web browser.
 
 
  On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, michael_regert@... wrote:
 
   **
  
  
   Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere.
  
   ** **
  
   *Michael*
  
   ** **
  
   *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
 *On
   Behalf Of *Ron G
   *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM
   *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
   *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
  
   ** **
  
   
  
   Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are
 already a
   Java shop, on the 

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-13 Thread Richard Rodseth
I meant to say prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that
doesn't depend on a proprietary runtime

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote:

 I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache
 project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing
 was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow
 browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just
 business.

 Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for
 cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch
 the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now
 that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the
 way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while
 still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that
 further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform
 mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on
 still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player?

 Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo?


 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM, michael_reg...@dell.com wrote:

 **


 You bring up some good points.  I have been on a few calls between our
 company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements
 were made.  We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully
 disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident
 enough to stick with Adobe Flex.  We realize that long-term, technologies
 shift.  I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI.  Now doing
 UIs in Flex.  In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some
 other new technology?  Who knows.  But for now, I’m actually excited to
 have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any
 challenges making it Open Source may bring.  

 ** **

 The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15
 products for 2011 by CRN.  Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there.  I think this
 says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground.  The
 technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term
 direction, and your talent pool.  I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to
 jump ship.  You never know where that ship may sail!

 ** **

 *Michael J. Regert***

 ** **

 *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Ron G
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM

 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

 ** **

   

 Hi James,


 I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but
 I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be
 developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long.

 I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On
 the one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward
 enterprise application development, but it is completely dependent on a
 proprietary runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has
 stated its future is digital media and digital marketing, and that it
 believes the future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It
 then begs the question, How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to
 support an open-source Flex community's enterprise web application
 development goals and wishes?

 To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its
 expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the
 features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means
 that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an
 unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required.

 So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by
 Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it.

 On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop
 digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being
 around indefinitely. But, not Flex.

 Ron

 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, James Ong yanlilei64@... wrote:
 
  Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing
  desktop applications and gaming.
  Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such
 thing
  as abandon, some developers
  are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than
 necessary.
 
  When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use
  Flex for mobile, desktop and
  components within the web browser.
 
 
  On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, michael_regert@... wrote:
 
   **
  
  
   Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere.
  
   ** **
  
   *Michael*
  
   ** **
  
   *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
 *On
   Behalf Of *Ron G
   *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM
   *To:* 

[flexcoders] Re: Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.

2012-01-13 Thread valdhor
On another thread someone mentioned zkoss.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Venkat M venkat_yum@... wrote:

 Hi Team,
  
 I have a question on migration from FLEX to HTML5. This
 question may be little out of the discussion in here; It would be great if 
 someone
 help me out.
  
 I have a java server side application. It had a class that
 exposed a bundle of routines that are needed for the flex front end to drive
 the backend. I connect this class using with blazeds and get access to all the
 routines within and able to work just fine. It worked like a charm and 
 everyone
 was happy till date.
  
 Now, I have a parallel requirement to build a HTML5 equivalent
 front end that does the same. I am asked to provide a estimate and possible 
 frameworks
 that can be used with ease. Can someone put down any views if they have.
 Thanks.
  
 Scenario.  Java back end remains the same †Build an
 interactive HTML5 webpage just looking similar to my current flash version  
 - there is a submit_button() java routine
 which I have to call when a button on HTML page is clicked †Web server 
 used is
 Jetty †Please Comment! 
  
 Thanks!!
  
 Cheers,
 Venkat.





Re: [flexcoders] Re: Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.

2012-01-13 Thread ganaraj p r
I am doing something similiar currently. I am evaluating GWT as a possible
replacement for an app that I would have built with Flex.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM, valdhor valdhorli...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 **


 On another thread someone mentioned zkoss.

 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Venkat M venkat_yum@... wrote:
 
  Hi Team,
  Â

  I have a question on migration from FLEX to HTML5. This
  question may be little out of the discussion in here; It would be great
 if someone
  help me out.
  Â

  I have a java server side application. It had a class that
  exposed a bundle of routines that are needed for the flex front end to
 drive
  the backend. I connect this class using with blazeds and get access to
 all the
  routines within and able to work just fine. It worked like a charm and
 everyone
  was happy till date.
  Â

  Now, I have a parallel requirement to build a HTML5 equivalent
  front end that does the same. I am asked to provide a estimate and
 possible frameworks
  that can be used with ease. Can someone put down any views if they have.
  Thanks.
  Â
  Scenario.  Java back end remains the same †Build an
  interactive HTML5 webpage just looking similar to my current flash
 version  - there is a submit_button() java routine
  which I have to call when a button on HTML page is clicked †Web
 server used is
  Jetty †Please Comment!
  Â
  Thanks!!
  Â
  Cheers,
  Venkat.
 

  




-- 
Regards,
Ganaraj P R


Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-13 Thread Alex Harui
Open-sourcing AIR would be an awesome thing, but the Apache project has to 
assume it won’t happen.


On 1/13/12 9:19 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote:






I meant to say prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that doesn't 
depend on a proprietary runtime

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote:
I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache project 
well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing was on the 
wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow browser plug-ins. 
I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just business.

Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for 
cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch the 
level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now that 
browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the way to 
go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while still 
retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that further 
energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform mobile app 
framework with the side-benefit of running on still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash 
Player?

Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo?


On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM,  michael_reg...@dell.com wrote:





You bring up some good points.  I have been on a few calls between our company 
and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements were made.  
We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully disclose many of their 
answers here, our development teams were confident enough to stick with Adobe 
Flex.  We realize that long-term, technologies shift.  I started out as a C++ 
developer doing low-level SCSI.  Now doing UIs in Flex.  In 5 years will I be 
doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some other new technology?  Who knows.  But for 
now, I’m actually excited to have a greater role in the direction Flex takes 
for now, and welcome any challenges making it Open Source may bring.

The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 
products for 2011 by CRN.  Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there.  I think this says 
something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground.  The technology 
decision should be based on your projects, your long-term direction, and your 
talent pool.  I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to jump ship.  You never 
know where that ship may sail!


Michael J. Regert


From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Ron G
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM

To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives



Hi James,



I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I 
would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be 
developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long.

I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the one 
hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise 
application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary 
runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its future is 
digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the future of 
enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the question, 
How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an open-source Flex 
community's enterprise web application development goals and wishes?

To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its 
expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the features 
the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means that, by 
supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an unnecessarily larger 
footprint than would otherwise be required.

So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by Adobe 
in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it.

On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop digital 
media for their applications, they can probably count on that being around 
indefinitely. But, not Flex.

Ron

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , James 
Ong yanlilei64@... wrote:

 Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing
 desktop applications and gaming.
 Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such thing
 as abandon, some developers
 are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than necessary.

 When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use
 Flex for mobile, desktop and
 components within the web browser.


 On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, michael_regert@... wrote:

  **
 
 
  Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere.
 
  ** **
 
  *Michael*
 
  ** **
 
  *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-13 Thread Richard Rodseth
Apache FlashKit !

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 **


 Open-sourcing AIR would be an awesome thing, but the Apache project has to
 assume it won’t happen.



 On 1/13/12 9:19 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com wrote:






 I meant to say prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that
 doesn't depend on a proprietary runtime

 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth rrods...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache
 project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing
 was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow
 browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just
 business.

 Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for
 cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch
 the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now
 that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the
 way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while
 still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that
 further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform
 mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on
 still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player?

 Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo?


 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM,  michael_reg...@dell.com wrote:






 You bring up some good points.  I have been on a few calls between our
 company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements
 were made.  We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully
 disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident
 enough to stick with Adobe Flex.  We realize that long-term, technologies
 shift.  I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI.  Now doing
 UIs in Flex.  In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some
 other new technology?  Who knows.  But for now, I’m actually excited to
 have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any
 challenges making it Open Source may bring.

 The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15
 products for 2011 by CRN.  Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there.  I think this
 says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground.  The
 technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term
 direction, and your talent pool.  I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to
 jump ship.  You never know where that ship may sail!


 *Michael J. Regert
 *

 *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.comflexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
 *On Behalf Of *Ron G
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM

 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives



 Hi James,



 I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but
 I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be
 developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long.

 I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the
 one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise
 application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary
 runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its
 future is digital media and digital marketing, and that it believes the
 future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the
 question, How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an
 open-source Flex community's enterprise web application development goals
 and wishes?

 To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its
 expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the
 features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means
 that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an
 unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required.

 So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by
 Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it.

 On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop
 digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being
 around indefinitely. But, not Flex.

 Ron

 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders%40yahoogroups.com
 , James Ong yanlilei64@... wrote:
 
  Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing
  desktop applications and gaming.
  Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such
 thing
  as abandon, some developers
  are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than
 necessary.
 
  When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use
  Flex for mobile, desktop and
  components within the web browser.
 
 
  On Thu, 

RE: [flexcoders] Re: Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.

2012-01-13 Thread Sells, Fred
Zkoss is a backend I believe.

 

Although I don’t use BlazeDS, I believe that uses adoble’s AMF (binary) format. 
 If so you would need to search for a javascript library that works with AMF.  
Perhaps BlazeDS has a flag you can set so it generates XML instead.  

 

Sorry I cannot help more.

 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of valdhor
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:27 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Challenge in Migrating to HTML5 from FLEX.

 

  

On another thread someone mentioned zkoss.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , 
Venkat M venkat_yum@... wrote:

 Hi Team,
 Â 
 I have a question on migration from FLEX to HTML5. This
 question may be little out of the discussion in here; It would be great if 
 someone
 help me out.
 Â 
 I have a java server side application. It had a class that
 exposed a bundle of routines that are needed for the flex front end to drive
 the backend. I connect this class using with blazeds and get access to all the
 routines within and able to work just fine. It worked like a charm and 
 everyone
 was happy till date.
 Â 
 Now, I have a parallel requirement to build a HTML5 equivalent
 front end that does the same. I am asked to provide a estimate and possible 
 frameworks
 that can be used with ease. Can someone put down any views if they have.
 Thanks.
 Â 
 Scenario.  Java back end remains the same †Build an
 interactive HTML5 webpage just looking similar to my current flash version  
 - there is a submit_button() java routine
 which I have to call when a button on HTML page is clicked †Web server 
 used is
 Jetty †Please Comment! 
 Â 
 Thanks!!
 Â 
 Cheers,
 Venkat.






[flexcoders] Re: HTML component with PDF disappears on rotate/scale

2012-01-13 Thread markflex2007

Adobe Reader plugin,how to use it in flex?

Mark

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, dorkie dork from dorktown 
dorkiedorkfromdorktown@... wrote:

 I think the PDF is being displayed in the Adobe Reader plugin and layered
 on top of your SWF. It doesn't support rotation at least not via component
 rotation property. You may be able to talk to the Reader plugin and specify
 a way to rotate it.
 
 On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM, markflex2007 markflex2007@...wrote:
 
  **
 
 
  Please help me. I need to fix it.
 
  Thanks
 
  Mark
 
 
  --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, markflex2007 markflex2007@
  wrote:
  
   I have same issue like:
  
   http://forums.adobe.com/thread/712793?tstart=0
  
   I rotate 90 degree for mx:HTML , but it disappear .
  
   any way to fix the issue.
  
   Thanks
  
   Mark
  
 
   
 





RE: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?

2012-01-13 Thread Gordon Smith
ECMAScript did it this way and ActionScript was trying to follow ECMAScript.

- Gordon

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of John Fletcher
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:23 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?


Or maybe the person that wrote the Java Date class is from Venus and the 
person that wrote the Actionscript one just copied him. You might get quite 
some support on the Java assertion...

John
2012/1/13 Rick Winscot rick.wins...@zyche.commailto:rick.wins...@zyche.com

I'm suspicious... I think that the person that wrote the Date class is from 
Venus.

Cheers,

Rick Winscot

From: John Fletcher fletch...@gmail.commailto:fletch...@gmail.com
Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:03:28 +0100
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: date problem?


Months start at 0 and go up to 11.

Don't ask me why.

John
2012/1/12 luvfotography 
ygro...@all-digital-links.commailto:ygro...@all-digital-links.com


http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Date.html#methodSummary

says:

If you pass two or more arguments, the Date object is assigned a time value 
based on the argument values passed, which represent the date's year, month, 
date, hour, minute, second, and milliseconds.


--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, 
luvfotography ygroups@...mailto:ygroups@... wrote:

 Why does:
 trace((new Date(2012,01,15)).toString());
 and
 trace((new Date('2012','01','15')).toString());

 return:

 Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 GMT-0800 2012

 February??



--
John

You're old enough to make your own decisions about the environment without me 
telling you what you should and shouldn't print. But if you do print, I hope 
this signature doesn't cause the message to go onto an additional page. Because 
that would be kind of stupid, wouldn't it?