RE: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-27 Thread Theodore E Patrick
The key differences here are project complexity, compatibility, and
maintenance. 

AJAX applications are harder to develop and harder to maintain than Flex.
There are details in using AJAX that produce compatibility problems as
browsers vary in support DTML/XHTML/Javascript for AJAX rendering. AJAX
requires allot of work to maintain a high level of compatibility and as WC3
Standard migrate and browsers implement them, AJAX backwards compatibility
will be an issue. With Flash there is one standardized player that works
compatibly cross-platform and cross-browser. The Flash player is also
backward compatible in that future players will support legacy content. If
you build an application in Flex 1.5 today, it will work in Flash Player
8.5, 9, 10 compatibly.

One of the most hidden values of Flex is maintenance. Flex apps are
surprisingly easy to maintain and change over time. You can restructure the
presentation layer of a Flex application dramatically without breaking any
of the core business logic. On LifeCoach (MAX Finalist), we had team members
changing the look and feel of the app late in the development cycle and in
several cases whole apps were repurposed and reskined in a short period of
time.

Truth be told, there are situations where both make allot of sense. In MXNA,
the reporting charts features are a very good example of Flex and AJAX
integration. 

http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/reports/mostPopularPosts/index.cfm

Flex interacts by modifying HTML information in an AJAX design and in turn
HTML events cause the Flex UI to change as well. Also with Flash 8's support
for External Interface, interaction with JavaScript (AJAX secret ingredient)
is much more seamless and synchronous.

The choice of which technology to use depends on your teams development
skill set and overall development preference.

There is also a problem in comparing Flex to AJAX in that one is a
development tool and one is a set of techniques/loose apis. It would be more
fair to compare ClearNova:ThinkCap to Macromedia:Flex. ThinkCap is a RAD
tool for AJAX/J2EE development.

http://www.clearnova.com/ 

Even comparing ThinkCap to Flex, you will find that Flex is dominant in
compatibility and maintenance. Plus once you are working within the Flash
Player, your creativity is more of a limitation than pure technology.

If it were my choice Flex would win hands down. Then again I am biased
towards the Flash Platform.

My 2 Cents,

Ted Patrick


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Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-27 Thread JesterXL
Be wary of that first link; it's extremely dated, and has inaccurate 
disadvantages of using Flash.

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Found this link in Google search:

http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?170

More links on:

http://www.inkriti.com/ria.htm

Someone from flexcoders sent me above link to review. Might help you...



-abdul


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To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

There is no way AJAX will ever come close to what
Flash can do.

The only thing new by Google's asychronous XMLRequest
object is the ability for the sim. requests; other
than that, unless I'm missing something, these are
just JavaScript tricks that have been in use for
years.

I'm not saying it's not valuable in some situations,
but it's not even in the same universe for production
applications.

Just a fad of the sort like DHTML transitions
supported in a limited fashion by some browsers.

Just try to use any of the examples in the latest
Opera for example.

If I'm missing something here, someone just say so.

-r



--- Rob Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just curious if you have taken a look at
 http://www.osflash.org ?

 Don't know about whitepapers, abstracts, but it's a
 great source for ECMA
 related items including javascript, actionscript,
 etc., and perhaps there
 are links from there to something that would suit
 your needs...

 HTH
 Rob

 
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 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper??
 anyone??

 Don't know of one, but if you find one, please let
 us ( and me know
 offlist), thanks! And good luck.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:02 PM
 Subject: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper??
 anyone??


 Hi Folks,

 I'm looking for a business and technical level
 whitepaper that
 develops on the differences and similarities between
 flex and AJAX. It
 is for a customer that is evaluating both techs
 for a series of
 applications.

 I'm not asking wether this is a good or bad
 comparison to make, but it
 is a fact that they ARE doing this comparison. so I
 have to go along
 with it. and hopefully win!

 I would go on and do a live presentation as I
 usually do, but I'm in
 sanfrancisco and my clients are back in south
 america.

 Thanks,
 Aldo

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Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-27 Thread John Dowdell
Aldo Bucchi wrote:
 I'm looking for a business and technical level whitepaper that
 develops on the differences and similarities between flex and AJAX. It
 is for a customer that is evaluating both techs for a series of
 applications.

Whitepapers usually espouse a point of view, so a lot would depend on 
the point of view you'd like to espouse.  ;-)

(I don't recall a Macromedia-authored whitepaper on the subject, and I'd 
be a little leery of one if so... whenever a vendor discusses Someone 
Else's Technology there's usually significant pushback, as the example 
cited here clearly shows:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2005/10/comparing_web_t.cfm )

Do you know what types of questions the client has, what concerns they 
have? Focusing on their immediate needs may be more targeted than 
looking for one of potentially scores of general papers out there.

(For instance, some good tacks are to see what types of data they'd want 
to transfer without resending the HTML page, whether images, or text, or 
something more... which browsers the audience currently uses and how 
many would have to be either abandoned or persuaded to use a different 
browser... whether it's one-shot development or whether the project 
might have to be maintained and upgraded in the future... these are some 
of the criteria on which technologies can vary.)

Of course, if you've got a CIO who says Let's use X! without first 
analyzing and being able to succinctly describe the problem, then that's 
usually a bit of a mess from the start, eh...?  ;-)

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RE: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-27 Thread James Talbot
Hi,

I've found this link to succinctly explain the different RIA options
available. Of course, the disadvantages listed below of the Flash format
do not apply with Flex. 

Disadvantages: General distrust from enterprise software developers.
Rare skillset required to do development with these components that most
corporations do not have.

http://www.ajaxinfo.com/default~viewart~8.htm

-James


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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:12 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

Aldo Bucchi wrote:
 I'm looking for a business and technical level whitepaper that
 develops on the differences and similarities between flex and AJAX. It
 is for a customer that is evaluating both techs for a series of
 applications.

Whitepapers usually espouse a point of view, so a lot would depend on 
the point of view you'd like to espouse.  ;-)

(I don't recall a Macromedia-authored whitepaper on the subject, and I'd

be a little leery of one if so... whenever a vendor discusses Someone 
Else's Technology there's usually significant pushback, as the example 
cited here clearly shows:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2005/10/comparing_web_t.cfm )

Do you know what types of questions the client has, what concerns they 
have? Focusing on their immediate needs may be more targeted than 
looking for one of potentially scores of general papers out there.

(For instance, some good tacks are to see what types of data they'd want

to transfer without resending the HTML page, whether images, or text, or

something more... which browsers the audience currently uses and how 
many would have to be either abandoned or persuaded to use a different 
browser... whether it's one-shot development or whether the project 
might have to be maintained and upgraded in the future... these are some

of the criteria on which technologies can vary.)

Of course, if you've got a CIO who says Let's use X! without first 
analyzing and being able to succinctly describe the problem, then that's

usually a bit of a mess from the start, eh...?  ;-)

jd





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[flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-26 Thread Aldo Bucchi
Hi Folks,

I'm looking for a business and technical level whitepaper that
develops on the differences and similarities between flex and AJAX. It
is for a customer that is evaluating both techs for a series of
applications.

I'm not asking wether this is a good or bad comparison to make, but it
is a fact that they ARE doing this comparison. so I have to go along
with it. and hopefully win!

I would go on and do a live presentation as I usually do, but I'm in
sanfrancisco and my clients are back in south america.

Thanks,
Aldo

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Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-26 Thread JesterXL
Don't know of one, but if you find one, please let us ( and me know 
offlist), thanks!  And good luck.

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From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:02 PM
Subject: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??


Hi Folks,

I'm looking for a business and technical level whitepaper that
develops on the differences and similarities between flex and AJAX. It
is for a customer that is evaluating both techs for a series of
applications.

I'm not asking wether this is a good or bad comparison to make, but it
is a fact that they ARE doing this comparison. so I have to go along
with it. and hopefully win!

I would go on and do a live presentation as I usually do, but I'm in
sanfrancisco and my clients are back in south america.

Thanks,
Aldo

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RE: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-26 Thread Rob Dickey
Just curious if you have taken a look at http://www.osflash.org ?

Don't know about whitepapers, abstracts, but it’s a great source for ECMA
related items including javascript, actionscript, etc., and perhaps there
are links from there to something that would suit your needs...

HTH
Rob


From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Subject: Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

Don't know of one, but if you find one, please let us ( and me know 
offlist), thanks!  And good luck.

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To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:02 PM
Subject: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??


Hi Folks,

I'm looking for a business and technical level whitepaper that
develops on the differences and similarities between flex and AJAX. It
is for a customer that is evaluating both techs for a series of
applications.

I'm not asking wether this is a good or bad comparison to make, but it
is a fact that they ARE doing this comparison. so I have to go along
with it. and hopefully win!

I would go on and do a live presentation as I usually do, but I'm in
sanfrancisco and my clients are back in south america.

Thanks,
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Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-26 Thread Aldo Bucchi
Ok Scott,

But go tell that to a CIO.
I bet their reply is going to be:  but...why???
and you will be forced to develop a humanly understandable explanation.

that's what I need



On 10/26/05, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you're really asking is DHTML whitepaper vs FLASH ?

  In a nutshell, AJAX is no uniformed approach, its more of a broad concept to 
 be applied based on examples such as GMAIL.

  You could probably take a look at Bindows.Net vs FLEX, but again, AJAX is 
 not really a specific technology makeup, more of this XmlHttpRequest, XML, 
 XHTML and ...begin mixing...

  I'd also stress that comparing the two is like comparing a boat to a car. 
 Different concepts that fall under the banner of Transportation yet 
 radically different.




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   Hi Folks,
 
  I'm looking for a business and technical level whitepaper that
  develops on the differences and similarities between flex and AJAX. It
  is for a customer that is evaluating both techs for a series of
  applications.
 
  I'm not asking wether this is a good or bad comparison to make, but it
  is a fact that they ARE doing this comparison. so I have to go along
  with it. and hopefully win!
 
  I would go on and do a live presentation as I usually do, but I'm in
  sanfrancisco and my clients are back in south america.
 
  Thanks,
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RE: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-26 Thread Robert Thompson
There is no way AJAX will ever come close to what
Flash can do.

The only thing new by Google's asychronous XMLRequest
object is the ability for the sim. requests; other
than that, unless I'm missing something, these are
just JavaScript tricks that have been in use for
years.

I'm not saying it's not valuable in some situations,
but it's not even in the same universe for production
applications.

Just a fad of the sort like DHTML transitions
supported in a limited fashion by some browsers.

Just try to use any of the examples in the latest
Opera for example.

If I'm missing something here, someone just say so.

-r



--- Rob Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just curious if you have taken a look at
 http://www.osflash.org ?
 
 Don't know about whitepapers, abstracts, but it’s a
 great source for ECMA
 related items including javascript, actionscript,
 etc., and perhaps there
 are links from there to something that would suit
 your needs...
 
 HTH
 Rob
 
 
 From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of JesterXL
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:21 PM
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper??
 anyone??
 
 Don't know of one, but if you find one, please let
 us ( and me know 
 offlist), thanks!  And good luck.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:02 PM
 Subject: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper??
 anyone??
 
 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I'm looking for a business and technical level
 whitepaper that
 develops on the differences and similarities between
 flex and AJAX. It
 is for a customer that is evaluating both techs
 for a series of
 applications.
 
 I'm not asking wether this is a good or bad
 comparison to make, but it
 is a fact that they ARE doing this comparison. so I
 have to go along
 with it. and hopefully win!
 
 I would go on and do a live presentation as I
 usually do, but I'm in
 sanfrancisco and my clients are back in south
 america.
 
 Thanks,
 Aldo
 
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RE: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

2005-10-26 Thread Abdul Qabiz
Found this link in Google search:

http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?170

More links on:

http://www.inkriti.com/ria.htm

Someone from flexcoders sent me above link to review. Might help you...



-abdul


-Original Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
Thompson
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:51 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper?? anyone??

There is no way AJAX will ever come close to what
Flash can do.

The only thing new by Google's asychronous XMLRequest
object is the ability for the sim. requests; other
than that, unless I'm missing something, these are
just JavaScript tricks that have been in use for
years.

I'm not saying it's not valuable in some situations,
but it's not even in the same universe for production
applications.

Just a fad of the sort like DHTML transitions
supported in a limited fashion by some browsers.

Just try to use any of the examples in the latest
Opera for example.

If I'm missing something here, someone just say so.

-r



--- Rob Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just curious if you have taken a look at
 http://www.osflash.org ?
 
 Don't know about whitepapers, abstracts, but it's a
 great source for ECMA
 related items including javascript, actionscript,
 etc., and perhaps there
 are links from there to something that would suit
 your needs...
 
 HTH
 Rob
 
 
 From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of JesterXL
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:21 PM
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper??
 anyone??
 
 Don't know of one, but if you find one, please let
 us ( and me know 
 offlist), thanks!  And good luck.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:02 PM
 Subject: [flexcoders] AJAX vs Flex whitepaper??
 anyone??
 
 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I'm looking for a business and technical level
 whitepaper that
 develops on the differences and similarities between
 flex and AJAX. It
 is for a customer that is evaluating both techs
 for a series of
 applications.
 
 I'm not asking wether this is a good or bad
 comparison to make, but it
 is a fact that they ARE doing this comparison. so I
 have to go along
 with it. and hopefully win!
 
 I would go on and do a live presentation as I
 usually do, but I'm in
 sanfrancisco and my clients are back in south
 america.
 
 Thanks,
 Aldo
 
 --
 : Aldo Bucchi :
 mobile (56) 8 429 8300
 
 
 
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