RE: [flexcoders] FDS port in biggest disadvantage in Flex?

2007-03-01 Thread Jeff Vroom
I have a couple of comments on this.  First off, there is nothing to say
you can't run RTMP on port 80 so if it is just a port number issue, you
can get around that problem.  Of course most servers will need to be
listening for both RTMP and HTTP traffic so that would require more than
one IP address to allow both to listen to port 80 at the same time. 

I think that some folks have constraints so that they need to be running
their app server behind the firewall so it is not directly exposed to
clients.  In many J2EE architectures, the web server sits on the DMZ and
serves up static files and proxies dynamic requests to the app server
tier.  We do not yet have a multi-tier solution for RTMP but this is
something we're looking at.

As Tom mentions, we are working on support for RTMPT - the HTTP based
tunneling version of the RTMP protocol.  This uses the same actual
server socket as RTMP but wraps RTMP traffic in HTTP requests.  We
detect which protocol is being used by looking at the first few bytes
the client writes.  You could theoretically proxy these requests using
an HTTP based proxy server to keep the RTMP server behind the DMZ.
RTMPT does require polling the server though so this is not as scalable
as using plain old RTMP.  We implemented it primarily so that clients
can get real time data delivery even when their only internet
connectivity is through an HTTP proxy server.  

Jeff

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Subject: Re: [flexcoders] FDS port in biggest disadvantage in Flex?

On Wednesday 28 Feb 2007, marcel.panse wrote:
 Because flex uses another port for FDS instead of 80... A lot of users
 have firewalls installed and cant use ports other than 80 or have to
 adjust there firewalls. I work at a company who just can't use other
 ports..

I belive there was a post from Adobe asking if anyone wanted to try a
new 
FDS/SDK that would tunnel over port 80.

 Another problem is you have to specify an new port for every flex
 application you host on your server. Every webapp needs its own fds
 port. So you have to forward who ranges of ports in you firewalls and
 systems..

You could then use a reverse web proxy to send the requests to the
correct 
back end.

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[flexcoders] FDS port in biggest disadvantage in Flex?

2007-02-28 Thread marcel.panse
Because flex uses another port for FDS instead of 80... A lot of users
have firewalls installed and cant use ports other than 80 or have to
adjust there firewalls. I work at a company who just can't use other
ports..
When using FDS you exclude a lot of users from your application (and
thus potential customers). So you just cant create like a webshop
using FDS or some helpdesk at a company which restricts ports other
then 80.

Another problem is you have to specify an new port for every flex
application you host on your server. Every webapp needs its own fds
port. So you have to forward who ranges of ports in you firewalls and
systems..

I am a big fan of flex, but this would be a problem if i start selling
flex to client (like big insurance agency's or large companies)
because it is just not acceptable to exclude users from accessing your
site..

So FDS usefull or not? (or maybe there is some way to fix this issue,
that i dont know about?) 



Re: [flexcoders] FDS port in biggest disadvantage in Flex?

2007-02-28 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Wednesday 28 Feb 2007, marcel.panse wrote:
 Because flex uses another port for FDS instead of 80... A lot of users
 have firewalls installed and cant use ports other than 80 or have to
 adjust there firewalls. I work at a company who just can't use other
 ports..

I belive there was a post from Adobe asking if anyone wanted to try a new 
FDS/SDK that would tunnel over port 80.

 Another problem is you have to specify an new port for every flex
 application you host on your server. Every webapp needs its own fds
 port. So you have to forward who ranges of ports in you firewalls and
 systems..

You could then use a reverse web proxy to send the requests to the correct 
back end.

-- 
Tom Chiverton
Helping to assertively optimize edge-of-your-seat partnerships
On: http://thefalken.livejournal.com



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