Re: [flexcoders] Implementing Office 2007 menus
Tom, I'm pretty sure the 120+ page instructions on how to implement the Ribbon go into a lot more detail than a button inside a TileList inside a TabNavigator. And no, not kidding, if you actually copy the UI then you have to license it from MS. Sam On Feb 18, 2008 5:45 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 15 Feb 2008, Samuel Neff wrote: you were not aware, you need to license the UI from MS before implementing it yourself. They're kidding right ? A licence to use a tab navigator containing a TileList of Button ? Yeah, right... -- Tom Chiverton
Re: [flexcoders] Implementing Office 2007 menus
On Tuesday 19 Feb 2008, Jeffry Houser wrote: I was thinking of creating a Ribbon Component for Flex, but on the surface it is unclear how this would be different than a TabNavigator. I guess I'd have to read those 120+ pages. It looks like it has some logic where by if the width isn't enough to show the icons, right most buttons turn into text labels and stack on top of each other (remember the ribbon is 3 text lines high). Fails the 'non obvious' patent test, so I'd have no qualms about using it, personally. But the MS gorilla can always afford to tie you up in court for far longer than your bank can stomach, so you might want to use a UI that your users are familiar with instead. 'Course this is exactly what MS wants to achieve - making you afraid to compete. I also happen to think that making your (Offices') users have to throw away all they've learnt about using (Windows) GUIs is a bad move too. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to greatly exploit user-centric solutions on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Implementing Office 2007 menus
I was thinking of creating a Ribbon Component for Flex, but on the surface it is unclear how this would be different than a TabNavigator. I guess I'd have to read those 120+ pages. Samuel Neff wrote: Tom, I'm pretty sure the 120+ page instructions on how to implement the Ribbon go into a lot more detail than a button inside a TileList inside a TabNavigator. And no, not kidding, if you actually copy the UI then you have to license it from MS. Sam On Feb 18, 2008 5:45 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 15 Feb 2008, Samuel Neff wrote: you were not aware, you need to license the UI from MS before implementing it yourself. They're kidding right ? A licence to use a tab navigator containing a TileList of Button ? Yeah, right... -- Tom Chiverton -- Jeffry Houser Flex, ColdFusion, AIR AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- Adobe Community Expert http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/JeffryHouser.html My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com
Re: [flexcoders] Implementing Office 2007 menus
I personally hate the ribbon and won't switch to office 2007 'cause of it. I'm happy with Office 2003 for now and our company is evaluating alternate options 'cause Office 2007 is horrible on many fronts (new file format, ribbon, and in general bloat). But the very important point is that the OP specifically asked how he can replicate the Office 2007 UI and when replicating the Office 2007 UI then you need to follow the licensing requirements. As a non-lawyer, I would not recommend to other people to ignore licensing requirements even if I don't agree with them. Best regards, Sam On Feb 19, 2008 10:17 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 Feb 2008, Jeffry Houser wrote: I was thinking of creating a Ribbon Component for Flex, but on the surface it is unclear how this would be different than a TabNavigator. I guess I'd have to read those 120+ pages. It looks like it has some logic where by if the width isn't enough to show the icons, right most buttons turn into text labels and stack on top of each other (remember the ribbon is 3 text lines high). Fails the 'non obvious' patent test, so I'd have no qualms about using it, personally. But the MS gorilla can always afford to tie you up in court for far longer than your bank can stomach, so you might want to use a UI that your users are familiar with instead. 'Course this is exactly what MS wants to achieve - making you afraid to compete. I also happen to think that making your (Offices') users have to throw away all they've learnt about using (Windows) GUIs is a bad move too. -- Tom Chiverton
Re: [flexcoders] Implementing Office 2007 menus
On Friday 15 Feb 2008, Samuel Neff wrote: you were not aware, you need to license the UI from MS before implementing it yourself. They're kidding right ? A licence to use a tab navigator containing a TileList of Button ? Yeah, right... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to widespreadedly grow seamless content on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Implementing Office 2007 menus
Hello folks, I am trying to implement the Office 2007 menus, and I am trying to imagine what sort of Containers to use. So far, I have figured that I am going to use TabNavigator for the headings, but what sort of container would I use for the groups of buttons? Could it be Panels? I found this thing implemented in Mindomo. Does anyone have an idea how he created the menus? Thanks in advance, Fidel.
Re: [flexcoders] Implementing Office 2007 menus
I don't have info on how to help you with implementation, but just in case you were not aware, you need to license the UI from MS before implementing it yourself. Licenses are free, but as part of the license you have to abide by their 120+ pages of guidelines on how to properly implement the UI. http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/11/21/licensing-the-2007-microsoft-office-user-interface.aspx Good luck. Sam On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Fidel Viegas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello folks, I am trying to implement the Office 2007 menus, and I am trying to imagine what sort of Containers to use. So far, I have figured that I am going to use TabNavigator for the headings, but what sort of container would I use for the groups of buttons? Could it be Panels? I found this thing implemented in Mindomo. Does anyone have an idea how he created the menus? Thanks in advance, Fidel.
Re: [flexcoders] Implementing Office 2007 menus
On Feb 16, 2008 12:06 AM, Samuel Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have info on how to help you with implementation, but just in case you were not aware, you need to license the UI from MS before implementing it yourself. Licenses are free, but as part of the license you have to abide by their 120+ pages of guidelines on how to properly implement the UI. http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/11/21/licensing-the-2007-microsoft-office-user-interface.aspx Hi Sam, Thanks for letting me know about that. I wasn't aware of that. I was reading the license and it seems ok. Thanks once again, Fidel.
