RE: [flexcoders] RIAs
Title: Message So that I can make sure I jump on the bandwagon with both feet, I'd like to recoin that as ERIA (pronounced ee-ree-ah). Maybe Wall St Journal will phone me now. Steven From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sreejith UnnikrishnanSent: 02 June 2005 20:13To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] RIAs Later a new term "Enterprise RIA" was coined by Steven Webster. " At iteration::two, we've coined the term "Enterprise RIA", to describe Rich Internet Applications of the scale and complexity you'd expect to find in a large, transactional web application, such as online banking, reservation systems or large commerce sites for example." Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[flexcoders] RIAs
Hi All, Does anyone remember when the word RIA (Rich Internet Application) first appeared. Who invented the term? I think it was someone at MM but i can`t remember. Benjamin RichApps.de RIA Development Benjamin Dobler web: | http://www.richapps.de mail: |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] RIAs
From what I recall it was Macromedia that first used the term, in late 2002. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Dobler Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:26 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] RIAs Hi All, Does anyone remember when the word RIA (Rich Internet Application) first appeared. Who invented the term? I think it was someone at MM but i can`t remember. Benjamin RichApps.de RIA Development Benjamin Dobler web: | http://www.richapps.de mail: |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] RIAs
Title: Message humor To join the club, I will now officially coin the terms Galactic RIA, Consumer RIA, Mobile RIA, and Service Oriented RIA, and Filthy RIA J /humor Rick Bullotta CTO Lighthammer Software www.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sreejith Unnikrishnan Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:13 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] RIAs Later a new term Enterprise RIA was coined by Steven Webster. At iteration::two, we've coined the term Enterprise RIA, to describe Rich Internet Applications of the scale and complexity you'd expect to find in a large, transactional web application, such as online banking, reservation systems or large commerce sites for example. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] RIAs
Title: Message I'm coining Enterprise Crackhead. - Original Message - From: Rick Bullotta To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] RIAs humor To join the club, I will now officially coin the terms Galactic RIA, Consumer RIA, Mobile RIA, and Service Oriented RIA, and Filthy RIA J /humor Rick BullottaCTOLighthammer Softwarewww.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sreejith UnnikrishnanSent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:13 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] RIAs Later a new term "Enterprise RIA" was coined by Steven Webster. " At iteration::two, we've coined the term "Enterprise RIA", to describe Rich Internet Applications of the scale and complexity you'd expect to find in a large, transactional web application, such as online banking, reservation systems or large commerce sites for example." Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] RIAs
But I coined the phrase Non-Enterprise RIA roughly 30 minutes before Benjamin's first email went out - Sorry guys but that supercedes all of the rest and I expect to receive royalties here pretty soon. Jeff - Original Message - From: Sreejith Unnikrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] RIAs Later a new term Enterprise RIA was coined by Steven Webster. At iteration::two, we've coined the term Enterprise RIA, to describe Rich Internet Applications of the scale and complexity you'd expect to find in a large, transactional web application, such as online banking, reservation systems or large commerce sites for example. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin Dobler Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:13 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [flexcoders] RIAs That`s the one i thougt Thanx jesse RichApps.de RIA Development Benjamin Dobler web: | http://www.richapps.de http://www.richapps.de mail: | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Von: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von JesterXL Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2005 20:32 An: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [flexcoders] RIAs I reckon it was Jeremy Allaire: http://www.markme.com/jd/archives/005423.cfm Can't corraborate that, though. ??? - Original Message - From: Benjamin Dobler mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [flexcoders] RIAs Hi All, Does anyone remember when the word RIA (Rich Internet Application) first appeared. Who invented the term? I think it was someone at MM but i can`t remember. Benjamin RichApps.de RIA Development Benjamin Dobler web: | http://www.richapps.de http://www.richapps.de mail: | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] RIAs
Benjamin Dobler wrote: Does anyone remember when the word RIA (Rich Internet Application) first appeared. Who invented the term? I think it was someone at MM but i can`t remember. As Jesse noted, the first use of that acronym appeared to be in this 500K PDF from Macromedia in March 2002: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flash/whitepapers/richclient.pdf A year or two back I tried to confirm this through the recall.archive.org engine (since deceased), which did textual analysis of the archive.org content, and it did confirm that this Macromedia document was the first usage of that RIA term. I can't prove that no one ever used that phrase before, but I've never seen any evidence to counter its original definition being by Macromedia staff. I got tired of regularly finding an dopening that PDF then clicking through pages, so I copied the guts of it over here: http://www.markme.com/jd/archives/007312.cfm Paraphrasing and summarizing that crucial aspects of rich client technologies section, these were defined as: (a) use of a high-performance runtime for code, content and communications; (b) integration of media types (video in the same window, eg); (c) a common object model for these multimedia services; (d) ability to use and add components, for development efficiency; (e) XML data communications with servers; (f) online/offline transparency (we're all still working on that one!); (g) friendly to various browsers, operating systems, devices... there's explicit mention of beyond the desktop non-PC work here. The term RIA has been bandied about in much of the AJaX hullaballoo, but I'm not sure any current JavaScript examples actually meet the above criteria -- modern JavaScript techniques have recently added ongoing XML transfers with the server, but they don't seem in the same ballpark on the rich aspect of that popular RIA moniker. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] RIAs
That makes sense. -- Dan On 6/2/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm coining Enterprise Crackhead. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] RIAs
If there is an Enterprise Crackhead, Jesse, you da man! On 6/2/05, Dan Glauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That makes sense. -- Dan On 6/2/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm coining Enterprise Crackhead. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
AW: [flexcoders] RIAs
Thanx that`s really helpful! Benjamin Dobler RIA Development web: http://www.richapps.de mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Dowdell Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2005 22:44 An: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [flexcoders] RIAs Benjamin Dobler wrote: Does anyone remember when the word RIA (Rich Internet Application) first appeared. Who invented the term? I think it was someone at MM but i can`t remember. As Jesse noted, the first use of that acronym appeared to be in this 500K PDF from Macromedia in March 2002: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flash/whitepapers/richclient.pdf A year or two back I tried to confirm this through the recall.archive.org engine (since deceased), which did textual analysis of the archive.org content, and it did confirm that this Macromedia document was the first usage of that RIA term. I can't prove that no one ever used that phrase before, but I've never seen any evidence to counter its original definition being by Macromedia staff. I got tired of regularly finding an dopening that PDF then clicking through pages, so I copied the guts of it over here: http://www.markme.com/jd/archives/007312.cfm Paraphrasing and summarizing that crucial aspects of rich client technologies section, these were defined as: (a) use of a high-performance runtime for code, content and communications; (b) integration of media types (video in the same window, eg); (c) a common object model for these multimedia services; (d) ability to use and add components, for development efficiency; (e) XML data communications with servers; (f) online/offline transparency (we're all still working on that one!); (g) friendly to various browsers, operating systems, devices... there's explicit mention of beyond the desktop non-PC work here. The term RIA has been bandied about in much of the AJaX hullaballoo, but I'm not sure any current JavaScript examples actually meet the above criteria -- modern JavaScript techniques have recently added ongoing XML transfers with the server, but they don't seem in the same ballpark on the rich aspect of that popular RIA moniker. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] RIAs
Hi, I can't recall exactly. There was a group of us debating the company product strategy and vision under the code name "Trinity" in mid to late 2001. Jeremy Allaire, Kevin Lynch, Adam Berry, Tom Hale, Mike Sundermeyer, Jon Gay,and myselfwere all on the threads (apologies to folks I may have left off). We considered a lot of phrases in that period. I remember Adam saying "you can never be too rich or too thin" and pushing for Rich Thin Client. Others liked "Rich Client application" or "Smart Client application." I can't say exactly which of us first uttered "Rich Internet Application" or when it stuck. If I had to guess, Adam probably made it stick. But that would be an educated guess only at this stageseveral million emails and conversations have passed since then :) -David From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXLSent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:32 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] RIAs I reckon it was Jeremy Allaire: http://www.markme.com/jd/archives/005423.cfm Can't corraborate that, though. ??? - Original Message - From: Benjamin Dobler To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [flexcoders] RIAs Hi All, Does anyone remember when the word RIA (Rich Internet Application) first appeared. Who invented the term? I think it was someone at MM but i can`t remember. Benjamin RichApps.de RIA Development Benjamin Dobler web: | http://www.richapps.de mail: |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
