Re: [flexcoders] Re: More Competition
dunwerkin wrote: > My reason to not look at SnappMX (or Lazlo for that matter) is that > every XML based implementation for a UI seems to be creating its own > very different dialect. Not very good if you want to repurpose UI > later. If someone wrote a SWF generator that used either XUL > (Mozilla's dialect) or MXML, I'd be much happier. At least the > XAMALON effort is using the M$ dialect, which will have a high uptake. I like the diversity of markup languages myself... a language is oriented directly around a component set, or a timeline model, or some other abstraction of a particular experience in SWF. I can see the desirability of "one markup language to rule them all", but that seems like it would imply shoehorning a desired novel experience into a single pre-existing schema. That "repurposing" need you mentions seems like it will be a significant one, particularly after a year or two and work needs to be migrated from one environment to another. Schema-to-schema translations seem like they'd go further than trying to settle on just a few universal schemas up front...? jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: More Competition
dunwerkin wrote: >My reason to not look at SnappMX (or Lazlo for that matter) is that >every XML based implementation for a UI seems to be creating its own >very different dialect. Not very good if you want to repurpose UI >later. If someone wrote a SWF generator that used either XUL >(Mozilla's dialect) or MXML, I'd be much happier. At least the >XAMALON effort is using the M$ dialect, which will have a high uptake. > >Adam > > There's an open source project in the works called ActionStep that is a port of the NextStep AppKit. There is already an XML interface language for GNUStep (OpenStep, NeXT, whatever). In theory, this is going to be available in ActionScript at some point, though I imagine its quite a ways away.. still lots of work to do. But, more of an FYI, Renaissance is probably going to be an option in the future as well. http://www.gnustep.it/Renaissance/ I wonder if we'll start to see some XSLT transformers to convert between the different UI markups. I kind of doubt it, as there isn't a real need for it (i.e. if you use Flex, you won't be using XAML, etc). However, I wonder how long it will take to form a standards committee as the official "xml format for interfaces" like the w3c, with a way to specify that code is in a certain language. Probably not for awhile, if ever, as everyone is competing with their proprietary format to see who comes out on top... -d Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Re: More Competition
Andy, I haven't used the SnappMX product, but I imagine that you can use one of the OpenSource implementations of the AMF gateway: AMFPHP (php), OpenAMF (Java), and I seem to recall seeing a .net version too once. There's a python alpha, and the format is somewhat documented by these OSS efforts, so you could rewrite in the language of your choice :) The quote you reference is probably just out of context. My reason to not look at SnappMX (or Lazlo for that matter) is that every XML based implementation for a UI seems to be creating its own very different dialect. Not very good if you want to repurpose UI later. If someone wrote a SWF generator that used either XUL (Mozilla's dialect) or MXML, I'd be much happier. At least the XAMALON effort is using the M$ dialect, which will have a high uptake. Adam > Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:39:00 -0500 >From: Andy Goodfellow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: More Competition > > I went to download the trial and saw this at the bottom: "Snapp MX > uses a Flash Remoting Gateway to communicate with web services. If > you do not have this product, a trial version can be obtained from > Macromedia." > > So much for this quote from the press release, "For the first time, > developers can learn and use one tool to create web-based business > systems for all common environments. With Snapp MX, they are no longer > tethered or restricted to a specific language and/or platform. " > > On 5/4/05, sreejithunni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rich Internet Application Development Propelled Into High Gear ... > > > > http://newsroom.eworldwire.com/view_release.php?id=11933 > > > > ... After extensive testing over two months on Macromedia's Flex(TM), > > Laszlo Systems' OpenLaszlo(TM) and Snapp MX, it ultimately selected > > Snapp MX. ... > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
