[flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
I tried searching your website (http://www.unzipmenow.com/) but couldnt find link for the source code for ribbon control. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Josh McDonald wrote: > > Why not just post a link to the list? > > -Josh > > 2009/3/16 Allan Pichler > > >Hi all . > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to say that for some reason I am missing the list of people who > > wanted the code/graphics for a ribbon/editor toolbar I made quite a while > > ago. > > > > > > > > If interested parties would raise their hand off list (so to speak) please > > do so .. I have finally had time to locate the files in question. > > > > > > > > I apologize for the trouble and wish everyone a great Sunday night! > > > > > > > > *Allan Pichler* > > > > Brewmaster - ColdFusion/Flex/Ajax/UI > > > > > > > > Email: dreamc...@... > > > > Phone: (415) 683 0313 > > > > Skype: apichler > > > > Yahoo: allan_pichler > > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/apichler > > > > Website: http://www.unzipmenow.com > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] *On > > Behalf Of *Jeffry Houser > > *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2009 9:43 AM > > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Ribbon in FLEX > > > > > > > > > > This is one of the components were were considering for Flextras; however > > I'm unclear how a Ribbon is different than a TabNavigator, though. > > > > I'd love to hear more thoughts on it, either on-list or off. > > > > Sam Lai wrote: > > > > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA101679411033.aspx?pid=CL100796341033#2 > > > > > > > > Kind of like the toolbar for picking controls in Adobe Dreamweaver > > > > (unless they've changed it in recent versions). > > > > > > > > Unfortunately I haven't heard of any Flash implementations, only > > > > Silverlight implementations. You could implement it yourself using a > > > > TabNavigator and Panel controls inside each tab for groups, and > > > > buttons inside them. It's the styling that will be a pain - the > > > > official specs are available from Microsoft for free though, with some > > > > conditions attached > > > > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-au/office/aa973809.aspx). You could also > > > > use the images and even code if you know XAML from the Silverlight > > > > version - http://silverlightribbon.codeplex.com/ > > > > > > > > Personally I'd be making my own interpretation of the ribbon control > > > > instead of following the Microsoft version to the dot, especially > > > > seeing as they have changed a few bits in Windows 7 which will > > > > probably filter down to Office in Office 2010 (e.g. the confusion with > > > > the File menu - the Orb in the top corner is now gone). > > > > > > > > 2009/3/13 Tracy Spratt : > > > > > > > > I am not familiar with that control, can you describe it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tracy Spratt, > > > > > > > > Lariat Services, development services available > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio > > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:13 AM > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Ribbon in FLEX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Is there any component (free or paid) similar to the office 2007 ribbon > > > > control? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > > > Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > > > FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > > > Alternative FAQ location: > > https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 > > > > Search Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ > > > > > > > > Individual Email | Traditional > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join > > > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > > > > > > > mailto:flexcoders-dig...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > mailto:flexcoders-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > flexcoders-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur > > > > Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5h > > > > http://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 > > > > -- > > > > Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developers > > > > http://www.flextras.com?c=104 > > > > -- > > > > http://www.theflexshow.com > > > > http://www.jeffryhouser.com > > > > -- > > > > Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust > > > > > > >
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
There were two, but then I left. "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." Guy On 02/04/2009, at 12:33 PM, Tim Hoff wrote: > > There's already two members on that list. I wonder if you can change > the lauguage setting from English to MicroSpeak? :) > > -TH >
[flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
There's already two members on that list. I wonder if you can change the lauguage setting from English to MicroSpeak? :) -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Bjorn Schultheiss" wrote: > > Agreed.. > > Welcome flexcoders-scott-barnes > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders-scott-barnes > > I didn't really feel like it fit under the tech category so i placed it under "online relationships". > > Enjoy > > We now have a place for all of our Scott Barnes loves Adobe conversations. > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Maciek Sakrejda msakrejda@ wrote: > > > > Can we perhaps have a separate flexcoders-scott-barnes list to discuss > > whether or not Scott Barnes should be allowed to post to flexcoders and > > to what extent? Every post by Scott generates three to five posts > > discussing whether or not his commentary/evangelism is welcome > > here--this is unarguably more off-topic noise than his actual > > contributions. > > > > -Maciek > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Cole Joplin cole_joplin@ > > Reply-to: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:41:10 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and > > > Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine > > > with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is > > > Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other > > > Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread > > > after thread. > > Given the traffic on this list, I hardly think that the 2-3 on-topic > > posts I've seen from Scott in the past week classify as spam. > > -- > > Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur > > > > Jeffry, no fair editing out the next sentence: > > > > "More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and > > Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine > > with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is > > Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other > > Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread > > after thread. I'm not saying we are there, I'm saying I'm concerned > > about it. Just reading the language, the last couple of posts are > > certainly exploring that territory. I think there are more appropriate > > venues for that than Flexcoders." > > > > Being on-topic does not change the nature of the content. Take the third > > example. Looking over the body of threads of this group, I can't recall > > seeing a nice bullet-formatted explanation like the one offered by Scott > > of why IE does not want to support SVG. I'm not saying this was a > > copy-paste thing, but it is visually very different. Adobe, Microsoft, > > and others have plenty of propoganda (or spam) posts, and no one is > > arguing that point. But I'm not going to pretend this particular content > > is of the same casual nature of the posts typical members of this group > > make. Scott uses Microsoft's participation in standards bodies and > > knowledge of gui research that clearly expresses an authority posture to > > legitimize his point. The typical posts here are overtly subjective > > developer opinions taken with a grain of salt. Clearly not the same > > content. > > > > Secondly, this is not a response from a Flex developer, doing Flex stuff > > every work day. (...imagining Scott with a Flex sticker on his laptop as > > Steve Ballmer walks by...) This is a corporate-sounding explanation, > > from actual Microsoft management, on an Adobe Flex group, suggesting we > > use ribbons in Flex, ignore SVG and thank Microsoft for their h.264 > > standards compliance. Any part of that sentence not accurate? I'm sure > > Scott is not programming in Flex, and could not possibly be confused as > > a member of the Flex community or an objective observer. Therefore, his > > responses in this group must be viewed in the approriate context, in a > > truthful light. Clearly not a typical poster. > > > > If Flexcoders' threads become an active corporate information outlet for > > Adobe competitors, I don't think that's a good thing for the group. That > > is my point, and I think it's a perfectly legitimate one. > > >
[flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Agreed.. Welcome flexcoders-scott-barnes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders-scott-barnes I didn't really feel like it fit under the tech category so i placed it under "online relationships". Enjoy We now have a place for all of our Scott Barnes loves Adobe conversations. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Maciek Sakrejda wrote: > > Can we perhaps have a separate flexcoders-scott-barnes list to discuss > whether or not Scott Barnes should be allowed to post to flexcoders and > to what extent? Every post by Scott generates three to five posts > discussing whether or not his commentary/evangelism is welcome > here--this is unarguably more off-topic noise than his actual > contributions. > > -Maciek > > > -Original Message- > From: Cole Joplin > Reply-to: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:41:10 -0700 (PDT) > > > More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and > > Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine > > with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is > > Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other > > Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread > > after thread. > Given the traffic on this list, I hardly think that the 2-3 on-topic > posts I've seen from Scott in the past week classify as spam. > -- > Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur > > Jeffry, no fair editing out the next sentence: > > "More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and > Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine > with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is > Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other > Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread > after thread. I'm not saying we are there, I'm saying I'm concerned > about it. Just reading the language, the last couple of posts are > certainly exploring that territory. I think there are more appropriate > venues for that than Flexcoders." > > Being on-topic does not change the nature of the content. Take the third > example. Looking over the body of threads of this group, I can't recall > seeing a nice bullet-formatted explanation like the one offered by Scott > of why IE does not want to support SVG. I'm not saying this was a > copy-paste thing, but it is visually very different. Adobe, Microsoft, > and others have plenty of propoganda (or spam) posts, and no one is > arguing that point. But I'm not going to pretend this particular content > is of the same casual nature of the posts typical members of this group > make. Scott uses Microsoft's participation in standards bodies and > knowledge of gui research that clearly expresses an authority posture to > legitimize his point. The typical posts here are overtly subjective > developer opinions taken with a grain of salt. Clearly not the same > content. > > Secondly, this is not a response from a Flex developer, doing Flex stuff > every work day. (...imagining Scott with a Flex sticker on his laptop as > Steve Ballmer walks by...) This is a corporate-sounding explanation, > from actual Microsoft management, on an Adobe Flex group, suggesting we > use ribbons in Flex, ignore SVG and thank Microsoft for their h.264 > standards compliance. Any part of that sentence not accurate? I'm sure > Scott is not programming in Flex, and could not possibly be confused as > a member of the Flex community or an objective observer. Therefore, his > responses in this group must be viewed in the approriate context, in a > truthful light. Clearly not a typical poster. > > If Flexcoders' threads become an active corporate information outlet for > Adobe competitors, I don't think that's a good thing for the group. That > is my point, and I think it's a perfectly legitimate one. >
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Can we perhaps have a separate flexcoders-scott-barnes list to discuss whether or not Scott Barnes should be allowed to post to flexcoders and to what extent? Every post by Scott generates three to five posts discussing whether or not his commentary/evangelism is welcome here--this is unarguably more off-topic noise than his actual contributions. -Maciek -Original Message- From: Cole Joplin Reply-to: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:41:10 -0700 (PDT) > More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and > Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine > with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is > Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other > Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread > after thread. Given the traffic on this list, I hardly think that the 2-3 on-topic posts I've seen from Scott in the past week classify as spam. -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Jeffry, no fair editing out the next sentence: "More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread after thread. I'm not saying we are there, I'm saying I'm concerned about it. Just reading the language, the last couple of posts are certainly exploring that territory. I think there are more appropriate venues for that than Flexcoders." Being on-topic does not change the nature of the content. Take the third example. Looking over the body of threads of this group, I can't recall seeing a nice bullet-formatted explanation like the one offered by Scott of why IE does not want to support SVG. I'm not saying this was a copy-paste thing, but it is visually very different. Adobe, Microsoft, and others have plenty of propoganda (or spam) posts, and no one is arguing that point. But I'm not going to pretend this particular content is of the same casual nature of the posts typical members of this group make. Scott uses Microsoft's participation in standards bodies and knowledge of gui research that clearly expresses an authority posture to legitimize his point. The typical posts here are overtly subjective developer opinions taken with a grain of salt. Clearly not the same content. Secondly, this is not a response from a Flex developer, doing Flex stuff every work day. (...imagining Scott with a Flex sticker on his laptop as Steve Ballmer walks by...) This is a corporate-sounding explanation, from actual Microsoft management, on an Adobe Flex group, suggesting we use ribbons in Flex, ignore SVG and thank Microsoft for their h.264 standards compliance. Any part of that sentence not accurate? I'm sure Scott is not programming in Flex, and could not possibly be confused as a member of the Flex community or an objective observer. Therefore, his responses in this group must be viewed in the approriate context, in a truthful light. Clearly not a typical poster. If Flexcoders' threads become an active corporate information outlet for Adobe competitors, I don't think that's a good thing for the group. That is my point, and I think it's a perfectly legitimate one.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
2009/4/2 Cole Joplin : > Scott uses > Microsoft's participation in standards bodies and knowledge of gui research > that clearly expresses an authority posture to legitimize his point. The > typical posts here are overtly subjective developer opinions taken with a > grain of salt. Clearly not the same content. I thought declaring yourself as a Microsoft employee immediately meant everything you say is to be taken with multiple grains of salt :P You might want to look into Scott's history - he might not be doing Flex stuff day-in, day-out in recent times, but he has a solid background in Flex, and I'm sure he's kept up with development on Flex/Flash and other Adobe stuff. If he disclosed his affliations, I don't have an issue with it (as long as it doesn't become a war between MS and Adobe people, which to be fair, has happened with Scott before). I'd rather hear excuses from them (and Adobe people for that matter), than nothing at all.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread after thread. Given the traffic on this list, I hardly think that the 2-3 on-topic posts I've seen from Scott in the past week classify as spam. -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Jeffry, no fair editing out the next sentence: "More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread after thread. I'm not saying we are there, I'm saying I'm concerned about it. Just reading the language, the last couple of posts are certainly exploring that territory. I think there are more appropriate venues for that than Flexcoders." Being on-topic does not change the nature of the content. Take the third example. Looking over the body of threads of this group, I can't recall seeing a nice bullet-formatted explanation like the one offered by Scott of why IE does not want to support SVG. I'm not saying this was a copy-paste thing, but it is visually very different. Adobe, Microsoft, and others have plenty of propoganda (or spam) posts, and no one is arguing that point. But I'm not going to pretend this particular content is of the same casual nature of the posts typical members of this group make. Scott uses Microsoft's participation in standards bodies and knowledge of gui research that clearly expresses an authority posture to legitimize his point. The typical posts here are overtly subjective developer opinions taken with a grain of salt. Clearly not the same content. Secondly, this is not a response from a Flex developer, doing Flex stuff every work day. (...imagining Scott with a Flex sticker on his laptop as Steve Ballmer walks by...) This is a corporate-sounding explanation, from actual Microsoft management, on an Adobe Flex group, suggesting we use ribbons in Flex, ignore SVG and thank Microsoft for their h.264 standards compliance. Any part of that sentence not accurate? I'm sure Scott is not programming in Flex, and could not possibly be confused as a member of the Flex community or an objective observer. Therefore, his responses in this group must be viewed in the approriate context, in a truthful light. Clearly not a typical poster. If Flexcoders' threads become an active corporate information outlet for Adobe competitors, I don't think that's a good thing for the group. That is my point, and I think it's a perfectly legitimate one.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
On 01/04/2009, at 11:49 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > Given the traffic on this list, I hardly think that the 2-3 on- > topic posts I've seen from Scott in the past week classify as spam. Give him a chance, he's only just warming up. ;-) Guy
[flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Ha, still laughing at autoschediastically. :) -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Chiverton wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 Apr 2009, Jeffry Houser wrote: > > It is most likely due to the massive interface change between 2003 and > > 2007. I understood that the "research" showed that this approach was > > more approachable and easier for beginners. > > > If I were having to retrain thousands of staff from scratch, I might well be > looking at a free office suite to teach them... > > > > More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and > > > Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine > > > with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is > > > Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other > > > Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread > > > after thread. > > Given the traffic on this list, I hardly think that the 2-3 on-topic > > posts I've seen from Scott in the past week classify as spam. > > (moderator hat on) > No, I don't think so either. I think it's good they chime in from time to > time, same as anyone else. > (moderator hat off) > Microsoft has a view point, I might not agree or like what they say, do or > produce, but they just as much right to say it (as long as it's on topic for > the thread, etc.). > > -- > Helping to autoschediastically seize essential market-driven eigth-generation > essential networks as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08 > > Tom Chiverton > Developer > Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 > Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 > tom.chiver...@... > 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB > www.Halliwells.com > > > > This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. > > Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and > Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at > Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list > of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with > a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word > ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with > equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors > Regulation Authority. > > CONFIDENTIALITY > > This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may > be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must > not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor > inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence > or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and > notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. > > For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com. >
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
On Wednesday 01 Apr 2009, Jeffry Houser wrote: > It is most likely due to the massive interface change between 2003 and > 2007. I understood that the "research" showed that this approach was > more approachable and easier for beginners. If I were having to retrain thousands of staff from scratch, I might well be looking at a free office suite to teach them... > > More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and > > Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine > > with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is > > Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other > > Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread > > after thread. > Given the traffic on this list, I hardly think that the 2-3 on-topic > posts I've seen from Scott in the past week classify as spam. (moderator hat on) No, I don't think so either. I think it's good they chime in from time to time, same as anyone else. (moderator hat off) Microsoft has a view point, I might not agree or like what they say, do or produce, but they just as much right to say it (as long as it's on topic for the thread, etc.). -- Helping to autoschediastically seize essential market-driven eigth-generation essential networks as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08 Tom Chiverton Developer Tel: +44 0161 618 5032 Fax: +44 0161 618 5099 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com 3 Hardman Square, Manchester, M3 3EB www.Halliwells.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Cole Joplin wrote: I want to respectfully challenge some of the statements and characterizations I've been reading. We have some PowerPoint plugin apps that insert into the 2007 ribbon. All our PPT 2007 customers hate the ribbon with a passion. They all say the exact same thing, they can't find anything. The PPT 2003 customers never call customer service on this issue. Isn't that odd? Microsoft's research has not exactly been on point on a lot of things these days, IMO. It is most likely due to the massive interface change between 2003 and 2007. I understood that the "research" showed that this approach was more approachable and easier for beginners. I also noticed in another thread, Scott Barnes noting Microsoft's efforts in h.264 standards. Remember HD-DVD versus Blu-ray? That was VC-1 versus h.264. Silverlight is now going to support h.264 in the future. Market demanded support is technically support, yes. But the adoption of h.264 over VC-1 was clearly not intended or desired by Microsoft. Mentioning IE and standards compliance is quite lively in the webmaster groups. Not in a good way. There was another great post in this discussion on standards and Flash. I think it could apply here too. More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread after thread. Given the traffic on this list, I hardly think that the 2-3 on-topic posts I've seen from Scott in the past week classify as spam. -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5h http://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developers http://www.flextras.com?c=104 -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
I want to respectfully challenge some of the statements and characterizations I've been reading. We have some PowerPoint plugin apps that insert into the 2007 ribbon. All our PPT 2007 customers hate the ribbon with a passion. They all say the exact same thing, they can't find anything. The PPT 2003 customers never call customer service on this issue. Isn't that odd? Microsoft's research has not exactly been on point on a lot of things these days, IMO. I also noticed in another thread, Scott Barnes noting Microsoft's efforts in h.264 standards. Remember HD-DVD versus Blu-ray? That was VC-1 versus h.264. Silverlight is now going to support h.264 in the future. Market demanded support is technically support, yes. But the adoption of h.264 over VC-1 was clearly not intended or desired by Microsoft. Mentioning IE and standards compliance is quite lively in the webmaster groups. Not in a good way. More importantly, I have a concern. There is plenty of room in RIA and Microsoft-oriented forums and groups to make their case. I'm even fine with some open debate in Flexcoders. What I don't want to see is Microsoft's Rich Platforms Product Manager, let alone other Microsofties, spamming our Flex group with spin on thread after thread after thread. I'm not saying we are there, I'm saying I'm concerned about it. Just reading the language, the last couple of posts are certainly exploring that territory. I think there are more appropriate venues for that than Flexcoders. From: Scott Barnes To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:56:32 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX Eye of the beholder and all..Our research tells us were on point with the end users so far. I'd be curious to listen to some of your own thoughts on where it could be improved, albiet removed and replaced with a better solution? (little-r me so not to interrupt the thread flow). There's many approaches one can take in progressive disclosure, at the end of the day it's one of many patterns one can adopt. In the case presented below, I specificed that should you do opt for the Office Ribbon UI, one should consider the merits of what problems it's solving. It really comes back to your targeted end user, what problems you're looking to solve and how much time and money you're willing to invest in the overall experience. You have a lot of lego pieces in todays RIAs, it's still up to you to assemble and produce a solution that adheres to whatever design principals you feel end users can cope with. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Bjorn Schultheiss wrote: Good point, Its difficult in an application with so many functions though. Take CS4, the tools panel in Photoshop seems to work for trained designers, but when it got introduced into Flash CS4 with the collapsed panels, its difficult to know which icon to click when they're not all familiar. Personally i dont think most web applications should borrow their design from MS Office. Although the UI may be familiar to the user base, a web application can usually be made more simple by restricting functionality related to the task at hand. eg, thermo's HUD. Mobile UX designers seem to do a good job at this. Take the IPhone. I prefer less obvious, more intuitive controls over a cluttered workspace any day. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Gleb Dolgich wrote: > > Ribbon is not a good UI, IMHO. It comes from Microsoft's idea that > every command must have a corresponding icon, which in the past made > for some of the most cluttered UIs out there. It's really hard to find > what you need in the new Office ribbons, and I would think twice > before following this trend. If you feel you need a ribbon in your > application, maybe it's time to rethink your UI. > > -- > Gleb Dolgich > Twitter: @gbd > Web: http://www.pixelespressoapps.com > > On 30 Mar 2009, at 20:41, Scott Barnes wrote: > > > Just a note. The true power of Ribbon isn't necessarily just a tab/ > > hbox navigation, it's also about context in that the navigation > > reacts to elements you may have with your application. Thus > > producing contextual sensitive "additional" menu items where the end > > user invokes sensitive areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Thibaud Van Vreckem > > wrote: > > > > I know I could do it using tabs and panels, but an existing FLEX > > version could save me a lot of time. > > > > that ribbon design is a perfect example of what flex shines for. > > it's nothing more than tabs and canvas/Hbox panels. that's probably > > about 5 sec setup. &g
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Eye of the beholder and all..Our research tells us were on point with the end users so far. I'd be curious to listen to some of your own thoughts on where it could be improved, albiet removed and replaced with a better solution? (little-r me so not to interrupt the thread flow). There's many approaches one can take in progressive disclosure, at the end of the day it's one of many patterns one can adopt. In the case presented below, I specificed that should you do opt for the Office Ribbon UI, one should consider the merits of what problems it's solving. It really comes back to your targeted end user, what problems you're looking to solve and how much time and money you're willing to invest in the overall experience. You have a lot of lego pieces in todays RIAs, it's still up to you to assemble and produce a solution that adheres to whatever design principals you feel end users can cope with. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Bjorn Schultheiss < bjorn.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good point, > > Its difficult in an application with so many functions though. > > Take CS4, the tools panel in Photoshop seems to work for trained designers, > but when it got introduced into Flash CS4 with the collapsed panels, its > difficult to know which icon to click when they're not all familiar. > > Personally i dont think most web applications should borrow their design > from MS Office. > Although the UI may be familiar to the user base, a web application can > usually be made more simple by restricting functionality related to the task > at hand. eg, thermo's HUD. > > Mobile UX designers seem to do a good job at this. > Take the IPhone. I prefer less obvious, more intuitive controls over a > cluttered workspace any day. > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com , Gleb > Dolgich wrote: > > > > Ribbon is not a good UI, IMHO. It comes from Microsoft's idea that > > every command must have a corresponding icon, which in the past made > > for some of the most cluttered UIs out there. It's really hard to find > > what you need in the new Office ribbons, and I would think twice > > before following this trend. If you feel you need a ribbon in your > > application, maybe it's time to rethink your UI. > > > > -- > > Gleb Dolgich > > Twitter: @gbd > > Web: http://www.pixelespressoapps.com > > > > On 30 Mar 2009, at 20:41, Scott Barnes wrote: > > > > > Just a note. The true power of Ribbon isn't necessarily just a tab/ > > > hbox navigation, it's also about context in that the navigation > > > reacts to elements you may have with your application. Thus > > > producing contextual sensitive "additional" menu items where the end > > > user invokes sensitive areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Thibaud Van Vreckem > > > wrote: > > > > > > I know I could do it using tabs and panels, but an existing FLEX > > > version could save me a lot of time. > > > > > > that ribbon design is a perfect example of what flex shines for. > > > it's nothing more than tabs and canvas/Hbox panels. that's probably > > > about 5 sec setup. > > > I'm not sure I understand what you would you need a component for .. > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Claudio M. E. Bastos > Iorio > > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for your answer and links. > > > > > > The silverlight version looks really great. Check this online demo > > > (silverlight required): > http://silverlight.services.live.com/invoke/60108/SilverlightRibbon/iframe.html > > > > > > > > > I�m not trying to copy exactly the ribbon. Just the concept. > > > > > > I know I could do it using tabs and panels, but an existing FLEX > > > version could save me a lot of time. > > > > > > If I don�t find any FLEX version, the silverlight version will help > > > me a lot, thanks. > > > > > > I wish I could use silverlight + .NET, but this is an AIR project L > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio > > > > > > > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com ] > > > On Behalf Of Sam Lai > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 AM > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Ribbon in FLEX > > > > > > > > > > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA101679411033.aspx?pid=CL100796341033#2 > > > > > > Kind of like the toolbar for picking controls in Adobe Dreamweaver > > > (unless they've changed it in recent versions). > > > > > > Unfortunately I haven't heard of any Flash implementations, only > > > Silverlight implementations. You could implement it yourself using a > > > TabNavigator and Panel controls inside each tab for groups, and > > > buttons inside them. It's the styling that will be a pain - the > > > official specs are available from Microsoft for free though, with some > > > conditions attached > > > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-au/office/aa973809.aspx). You could also > > > use the images and even code if you know XAML from the Silve
[flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Good point, Its difficult in an application with so many functions though. Take CS4, the tools panel in Photoshop seems to work for trained designers, but when it got introduced into Flash CS4 with the collapsed panels, its difficult to know which icon to click when they're not all familiar. Personally i dont think most web applications should borrow their design from MS Office. Although the UI may be familiar to the user base, a web application can usually be made more simple by restricting functionality related to the task at hand. eg, thermo's HUD. Mobile UX designers seem to do a good job at this. Take the IPhone. I prefer less obvious, more intuitive controls over a cluttered workspace any day. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Gleb Dolgich wrote: > > Ribbon is not a good UI, IMHO. It comes from Microsoft's idea that > every command must have a corresponding icon, which in the past made > for some of the most cluttered UIs out there. It's really hard to find > what you need in the new Office ribbons, and I would think twice > before following this trend. If you feel you need a ribbon in your > application, maybe it's time to rethink your UI. > > -- > Gleb Dolgich > Twitter: @gbd > Web: http://www.pixelespressoapps.com > > On 30 Mar 2009, at 20:41, Scott Barnes wrote: > > > Just a note. The true power of Ribbon isn't necessarily just a tab/ > > hbox navigation, it's also about context in that the navigation > > reacts to elements you may have with your application. Thus > > producing contextual sensitive "additional" menu items where the end > > user invokes sensitive areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Thibaud Van Vreckem > > wrote: > > > > I know I could do it using tabs and panels, but an existing FLEX > > version could save me a lot of time. > > > > that ribbon design is a perfect example of what flex shines for. > > it's nothing more than tabs and canvas/Hbox panels. that's probably > > about 5 sec setup. > > I'm not sure I understand what you would you need a component for .. > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for your answer and links. > > > > The silverlight version looks really great. Check this online demo > > (silverlight > > required):http://silverlight.services.live.com/invoke/60108/SilverlightRibbon/iframe.html > > > > > > I�m not trying to copy exactly the ribbon. Just the concept. > > > > I know I could do it using tabs and panels, but an existing FLEX > > version could save me a lot of time. > > > > If I don�t find any FLEX version, the silverlight version will help > > me a lot, thanks. > > > > I wish I could use silverlight + .NET, but this is an AIR project L > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio > > > > > > > > From: flexcod...@yahoogroups.com[mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Sam Lai > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 AM > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Ribbon in FLEX > > > > > > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA101679411033.aspx?pid=CL100796341033#2 > > > > Kind of like the toolbar for picking controls in Adobe Dreamweaver > > (unless they've changed it in recent versions). > > > > Unfortunately I haven't heard of any Flash implementations, only > > Silverlight implementations. You could implement it yourself using a > > TabNavigator and Panel controls inside each tab for groups, and > > buttons inside them. It's the styling that will be a pain - the > > official specs are available from Microsoft for free though, with some > > conditions attached > > (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-au/office/aa973809.aspx). You could also > > use the images and even code if you know XAML from the Silverlight > > version - http://silverlightribbon.codeplex.com/ > > > > Personally I'd be making my own interpretation of the ribbon control > > instead of following the Microsoft version to the dot, especially > > seeing as they have changed a few bits in Windows 7 which will > > probably filter down to Office in Office 2010 (e.g. the confusion with > > the File menu - the Orb in the top corner is now gone). > > > > 2009/3/13 Tracy Spratt : > > > I am not familiar with that control, can you describe it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Tracy Spratt, > > > > > > Lariat Services, development services available > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > flexcod...@yahoogroups.com[mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:13 AM > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Ribbon in FLEX > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Is there any component (free or paid) similar to the office 2007 > > ribbon > > > control? > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio > > > > > >
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Thanks for the plug Paul; but just to clarify.. It's not something we're working on yet. It's just one idea of many.we're considering. ( But, yeah everyone check out Flextras.com ) Paul Kukiel wrote: I believe Jeffery Houser is in the process of building a Ribon like the Office one for Flex and in 20 mins he has a live Demo and Q&A of his latest Flex creations: Flextras: Flextras Friday Meetup in 1 hour. Today: Mind Mapping an API http://is.gd/iDhV Random Q&A to follow Meeting URL: https://admin.na3.acrobat.com/_a204547676/flextras/ All welcome. http://www.flextras.com/ <- His site Paul. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Allan Pichler wrote: Hi all…. Let me dig up the files sometime today ( should be around here somewhere although I made it back in December 07 ) and I will send it to all interested parties as well as add them to my experimental site http://www.unzipmenow.com for anyone interested at a later stage. Thanks for all your kind words Best regards and have a nice day! Allan Pichler Brewmaster - ColdFusion/Flex/Ajax/UI Email: dreamc...@gmail.com Phone: (415) 683 0313 Skype: apichler Yahoo: allan_pichler From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marius-Remus Mate Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:57 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX Check this out http://mindomo.com/demo.htm You should contact the nice guys at Mindomo, maybe you can work something out. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio" wrote: Hi, Is there any component (free or paid) similar to the office 2007 ribbon control? TIA __ Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5h http://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developers http://www.flextras.com?c=104 -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
I believe Jeffery Houser is in the process of building a Ribon like the Office one for Flex and in 20 mins he has a live Demo and Q&A of his latest Flex creations: Flextras: Flextras Friday Meetup in 1 hour. Today: Mind Mapping an API http://is.gd/iDhV Random Q&A to follow Meeting URL: https://admin.na3.acrobat.com/_a204547676/flextras/ All welcome. http://www.flextras.com/ <- His site Paul. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Allan Pichler wrote: > Hi all…. > > > > Let me dig up the files sometime today ( should be around here somewhere > although I made it back in December 07 ) and I will send it to all > interested parties as well as add them to my experimental site > http://www.unzipmenow.com for anyone interested at a later stage. > > > > Thanks for all your kind words > > > > Best regards and have a nice day! > > > > Allan Pichler > > Brewmaster - ColdFusion/Flex/Ajax/UI > > > > Email: dreamc...@gmail.com > > Phone: (415) 683 0313 > > Skype: apichler > > Yahoo: allan_pichler > > > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Marius-Remus Mate > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:57 AM > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX > > > > Check this out > > http://mindomo.com/demo.htm > > You should contact the nice guys at Mindomo, maybe you can work something > out. > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio" > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Is there any component (free or paid) similar to the office 2007 ribbon >> control? >> >> >> >> TIA >> >> >> >> __ >> >> Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio >> > > -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:flexcoders-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: flexcoders-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Hi all.. Let me dig up the files sometime today ( should be around here somewhere although I made it back in December 07 ) and I will send it to all interested parties as well as add them to my experimental site http://www.unzipmenow.com for anyone interested at a later stage. Thanks for all your kind words Best regards and have a nice day! Allan Pichler Brewmaster - ColdFusion/Flex/Ajax/UI Email: dreamc...@gmail.com Phone: (415) 683 0313 Skype: apichler Yahoo: allan_pichler From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marius-Remus Mate Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:57 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX Check this out http://mindomo.com/demo.htm You should contact the nice guys at Mindomo, maybe you can work something out. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> , "Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio" wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there any component (free or paid) similar to the office 2007 ribbon > control? > > > > TIA > > > > __ > > Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio > <><>
[flexcoders] Re: Ribbon in FLEX
Check this out http://mindomo.com/demo.htm You should contact the nice guys at Mindomo, maybe you can work something out. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio" wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there any component (free or paid) similar to the office 2007 ribbon > control? > > > > TIA > > > > __ > > Claudio M. E. Bastos Iorio >
