Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-22 Thread Matt Chotin
The numbers are actually pretty big, which means that folks are more likely to question them and I want to make sure that we're really right, and that I can understand adoption trends over time, etc. Matt On 4/22/09 4:23 PM, "Guy Morton" wrote: Is "consistent and accurate and explainabl

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-22 Thread Guy Morton
Is "consistent and accurate and explainable" code for "big enough numbers"? ;-) On 22/04/2009, at 4:10 PM, Matt Chotin wrote: We’re hosting the RSLs starting with Flex 4, you’ll see them hosted in the public beta. When we feel comfortable with the RSL penetration stats as far as bein

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-22 Thread Steve Mathews
Fantastic! On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Matt Chotin wrote: > > > We’re hosting the RSLs starting with Flex 4, you’ll see them hosted in the > public beta. > > When we feel comfortable with the RSL penetration stats as far as being > consistent and accurate and explainable we’ll begin publis

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-22 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 21 Apr 2009, Matt Chotin wrote: > mature internet market you should feel comfortable using the RSL. In Flex > 4 we plan on making the RSL on by default as the Players capable of > handling the RSL have reached over 95% penetration. That, compared with the ace news that Adobe will be ho

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-21 Thread Matt Chotin
We're hosting the RSLs starting with Flex 4, you'll see them hosted in the public beta. When we feel comfortable with the RSL penetration stats as far as being consistent and accurate and explainable we'll begin publishing them. Matt On 4/21/09 11:01 PM, "Steve Mathews" wrote: No offen

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-21 Thread Steve Mathews
No offence was intended, I was trying to state that as a selling point. The number of users who already have the SWZs should be icing, the real substance should be the benifit to every user visiting your site/app. Obviously if you only expect users to visit once or twice the benifit doesn't work ou

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-21 Thread Guy Morton
Yes, I know how it works...my point is that it's hard to sell to my current clients if for most it's going to translate into a bigger download for first time users. This is why stats as to how many users are likely to already have the different versions of the RSLs would be handy. I reali

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-21 Thread Steve Mathews
It would only be bigger the first download (assuming the user has 9.0.115.0 or later). After that it would be smaller each time. Steve On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Guy Morton wrote: > > > Well...yes, it's great if I do it...for the community n'all...but my users > *are* sensitive to the down

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-21 Thread Matt Chotin
We're not publishing the stats right now but we are beginning to track penetration. If your application is meant for what's normally considered a mature internet market you should feel comfortable using the RSL. In Flex 4 we plan on making the RSL on by default as the Players capable of handli

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-21 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 21 Apr 2009, Guy Morton wrote: > Well...yes, it's great if I do it...for the community n'all...but my > users *are* sensitive to the download size. When you issue the next version of your app, the download size will be smaller than without RSL :-) -- Helping to adaptively disseminate

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-21 Thread Guy Morton
Well...yes, it's great if I do it...for the community n'all...but my users *are* sensitive to the download size. If it were the same size either way, of course I would do it (as would everyone) but the fact that it's BIGGER as RSLs means I bet LOTS of developers DON'T do it, hence my questi

Re: [flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-21 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 21 Apr 2009, g...@alchemy.com.au wrote: > Maybe it's worth doing if 50%+ of users will get the benefit, but if > only 10% will benefit it seems unlikely to be a way to increase the > general happiness. I think you are looking at it wrong. Assuming 200k is nothing on a modern connection

[flexcoders] Signed RSL penetration

2009-04-20 Thread guy
Does anyone have stats on how the various signed RSLs are going in terms of their prevalence in the flash player cache? I'd love to use them, but it's a bit of a risk...compiled in, my app is under 1Mb. Splitting the framework RSL from it makes my app 300+kB smaller, but will require the use