Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, Jules Suggate wrote: Yeah, we've accepted that already :) You might be able to write out a .iso file, then have the user double click it, or navigateToUrl() to it and let the O/S handle invoking the burner... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to evangelistically visualize data This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
Hi guys, sorry about my slow response. I was enjoying my weekend :) We have decided to continue on this line of inquiry, partly due to your answers. Steve, you mentioned kicking of a silent install of the Player if it's not found. How silent can you make it? From memory, the player install sequence has a few dialog boxes and progress bars... is the distributable installer sequence less obvious, or are these dialogs just part of the overall installation experience for your users? We'd be happy enough with the latter, but the former would be even better :-) Thanks again! On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 07:12, Steve Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it was less than great because someone here applied online several times but could not actually get the installer. Then we had a chat with Lee Brimelow (http://theflashblog.com/) http://theflashblog.com/, he passed our request on and we got the installer within a day or two. So I would recommend talking to him or another evangelist to help the process. Steve On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How easy was it to get the licence to distribute the flash player? Anecdotally, I'd heard this was rather hard to do in practice, but maybe this has changed since I last enquired a couple of years back. This has always been a stumbling block for various solutions I've tried over the years. -Original Message- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steve Mathews *Sent:* 21 November 2008 15:48 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just silently install the player you need when installing your application. Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C# app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi). Steve On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, long-time-no-post :) I've a gnarly one here. I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform desktop client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues around Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app and needs to be squeaky clean. How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java. The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10 installer, however these are the problems we still face: · If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is sooo 90s · We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do · Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs ActiveX) to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe legal? Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)? Hope this hits someone's cache! Cheers, Jules -- Jules Suggate Owner and Technical Lead Uphill Sprint Limited +64-21-157-8562 __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt ... [Message clipped]
Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Jules Suggate wrote: client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest I'm not aware of any desktop cross-platform (i.e. Linux, Mac, Windows) run time that has a burnCD() function... You'll have to ship (3 ?) native binaries at least, I imagine... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to appropriately morph synergies This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
Good question. As I haven't installed our app in quite some time, you could go to www.flypaper.com and install the demo to see what it looks like (just make sure you remove your ActiveX player before you run the installer). Steve On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi guys, sorry about my slow response. I was enjoying my weekend :) We have decided to continue on this line of inquiry, partly due to your answers. Steve, you mentioned kicking of a silent install of the Player if it's not found. How silent can you make it? From memory, the player install sequence has a few dialog boxes and progress bars... is the distributable installer sequence less obvious, or are these dialogs just part of the overall installation experience for your users? We'd be happy enough with the latter, but the former would be even better :-) Thanks again! On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 07:12, Steve Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it was less than great because someone here applied online several times but could not actually get the installer. Then we had a chat with Lee Brimelow (http://theflashblog.com/) http://theflashblog.com/, he passed our request on and we got the installer within a day or two. So I would recommend talking to him or another evangelist to help the process. Steve On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: How easy was it to get the licence to distribute the flash player? Anecdotally, I'd heard this was rather hard to do in practice, but maybe this has changed since I last enquired a couple of years back. This has always been a stumbling block for various solutions I've tried over the years. -Original Message- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steve Mathews *Sent:* 21 November 2008 15:48 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just silently install the player you need when installing your application. Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C# app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi). Steve On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, long-time-no-post :) I've a gnarly one here. I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform desktop client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues around Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app and needs to be squeaky clean. How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java. The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10 installer, however these are the problems we still face: · If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is sooo 90s · We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do · Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs ActiveX) to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe legal? Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)? Hope this hits someone's cache! Cheers, Jules -- Jules Suggate Owner and Technical Lead Uphill Sprint Limited +64-21-157-8562 __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahttp
Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
Yeah, we've accepted that already :) But perhaps I shouldn't throw cross-platform around so loosely -- our initial Beta is Mac/Win only... On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 04:24, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Jules Suggate wrote: client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest I'm not aware of any desktop cross-platform (i.e. Linux, Mac, Windows) run time that has a burnCD() function... You'll have to ship (3 ?) native binaries at least, I imagine... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to appropriately morph synergies This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just silently install the player you need when installing your application. Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C# app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi). Steve On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi list, long-time-no-post :) I've a gnarly one here. I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform desktop client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues around Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app and needs to be squeaky clean. How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java. The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10 installer, however these are the problems we still face: - If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is sooo 90s - We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do - Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs ActiveX) to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe legal? Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)? Hope this hits someone's cache! Cheers, Jules -- Jules Suggate Owner and Technical Lead Uphill Sprint Limited +64-21-157-8562
RE: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
How easy was it to get the licence to distribute the flash player? Anecdotally, I'd heard this was rather hard to do in practice, but maybe this has changed since I last enquired a couple of years back. This has always been a stumbling block for various solutions I've tried over the years. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Mathews Sent: 21 November 2008 15:48 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just silently install the player you need when installing your application. Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C# app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi). Steve On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, long-time-no-post :) I've a gnarly one here. I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform desktop client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues around Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app and needs to be squeaky clean. How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java. The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10 installer, however these are the problems we still face: * If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is sooo 90s * We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do * Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs ActiveX) to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe legal? Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)? Hope this hits someone's cache! Cheers, Jules -- Jules Suggate Owner and Technical Lead Uphill Sprint Limited +64-21-157-8562 __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __
Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
Well it was less than great because someone here applied online several times but could not actually get the installer. Then we had a chat with Lee Brimelow (http://theflashblog.com/) http://theflashblog.com/, he passed our request on and we got the installer within a day or two. So I would recommend talking to him or another evangelist to help the process. Steve On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How easy was it to get the licence to distribute the flash player? Anecdotally, I'd heard this was rather hard to do in practice, but maybe this has changed since I last enquired a couple of years back. This has always been a stumbling block for various solutions I've tried over the years. -Original Message- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steve Mathews *Sent:* 21 November 2008 15:48 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just silently install the player you need when installing your application. Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C# app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi). Steve On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, long-time-no-post :) I've a gnarly one here. I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform desktop client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues around Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app and needs to be squeaky clean. How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java. The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10 installer, however these are the problems we still face: · If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is sooo 90s · We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do · Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs ActiveX) to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe legal? Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)? Hope this hits someone's cache! Cheers, Jules -- Jules Suggate Owner and Technical Lead Uphill Sprint Limited +64-21-157-8562 __ This communication is from Primal Pictures Ltd., a company registered in England and Wales with registration No. 02622298 and registered office: 4th Floor, Tennyson House, 159-165 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 5PA, UK. VAT registration No. 648874577. This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephoning +44(0)20 7637 1010. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. This email has been scanned for Primal Pictures by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt ... [Message clipped]
