Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player

2008-11-25 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, Jules Suggate wrote:
 Yeah, we've accepted that already :)

You might be able to write out a .iso file, then have the user double click 
it, or navigateToUrl() to it and let the O/S handle invoking the burner...

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Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player

2008-11-24 Thread Jules Suggate
Hi guys, sorry about my slow response. I was enjoying my weekend :)

We have decided to continue on this line of inquiry, partly due to your
answers.

Steve, you mentioned kicking of a silent install of the Player if it's not
found. How silent can you make it? From memory, the player install
sequence has a few dialog boxes and progress bars... is the distributable
installer sequence less obvious, or are these dialogs just part of the
overall installation experience for your users?

We'd be happy enough with the latter, but the former would be even better
:-)

Thanks again!

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 07:12, Steve Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Well it was less than great because someone here applied online several
 times but could not actually get the installer. Then we had a chat with Lee
 Brimelow (http://theflashblog.com/) http://theflashblog.com/, he passed
 our request on and we got the installer within a day or two. So I would
 recommend talking to him or another evangelist to help the process.

 Steve

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  How easy was it to get the licence to distribute the flash player?

 Anecdotally, I'd heard this was rather hard to do in practice, but maybe
 this has changed since I last enquired a couple of years back.

 This has always been a stumbling block for various solutions I've tried
 over the years.



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 *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player



 You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just
 silently install the player you need when installing your application.
 Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the
 installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C#
 app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi).



 Steve

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Hi list, long-time-no-post :)

 I've a gnarly one here.

 I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform
 desktop client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you
 can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the
 rest but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues
 around Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app
 and needs to be squeaky clean.

 How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be
 cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java.

 The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10
 installer, however these are the problems we still face:

 · If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a
 two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is
 sooo 90s

 · We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI
 plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't
 have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do

 · Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs
 ActiveX) to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows

 Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin
 installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe
 legal?

 Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for
 this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture
 based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)?

 Hope this hits someone's cache!

 Cheers,
 Jules
 --
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 Owner and Technical Lead
 Uphill Sprint Limited

 +64-21-157-8562




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Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Jules Suggate wrote:
 client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't
 burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest

I'm not aware of any desktop cross-platform (i.e. Linux, Mac, Windows) run 
time that has a burnCD() function...
You'll have to ship (3 ?) native binaries at least, I imagine...

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Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player

2008-11-24 Thread Steve Mathews
Good question. As I haven't installed our app in quite some time, you could
go to www.flypaper.com and install the demo to see what it looks like (just
make sure you remove your ActiveX player before you run the installer).
Steve

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  Hi guys, sorry about my slow response. I was enjoying my weekend :)

 We have decided to continue on this line of inquiry, partly due to your
 answers.

 Steve, you mentioned kicking of a silent install of the Player if it's not
 found. How silent can you make it? From memory, the player install
 sequence has a few dialog boxes and progress bars... is the distributable
 installer sequence less obvious, or are these dialogs just part of the
 overall installation experience for your users?

 We'd be happy enough with the latter, but the former would be even better
 :-)

 Thanks again!


 On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 07:12, Steve Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Well it was less than great because someone here applied online several
 times but could not actually get the installer. Then we had a chat with Lee
 Brimelow (http://theflashblog.com/) http://theflashblog.com/, he passed
 our request on and we got the installer within a day or two. So I would
 recommend talking to him or another evangelist to help the process.

 Steve

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  How easy was it to get the licence to distribute the flash player?

 Anecdotally, I'd heard this was rather hard to do in practice, but maybe
 this has changed since I last enquired a couple of years back.

 This has always been a stumbling block for various solutions I've tried
 over the years.



 -Original Message-
 *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
 Behalf Of *Steve Mathews
 *Sent:* 21 November 2008 15:48
 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player



 You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just
 silently install the player you need when installing your application.
 Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the
 installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C#
 app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi).



 Steve

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Hi list, long-time-no-post :)

 I've a gnarly one here.

 I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform
 desktop client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you
 can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the
 rest but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues
 around Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app
 and needs to be squeaky clean.

 How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be
 cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java.

 The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10
 installer, however these are the problems we still face:

 · If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a
 two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is
 sooo 90s

 · We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI
 plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't
 have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do

 · Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs
 ActiveX) to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows

 Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin
 installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe
 legal?

 Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for
 this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture
 based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)?

 Hope this hits someone's cache!

 Cheers,
 Jules
 --
 Jules Suggate
 Owner and Technical Lead
 Uphill Sprint Limited

 +64-21-157-8562




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Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player

2008-11-24 Thread Jules Suggate
Yeah, we've accepted that already :) But perhaps I shouldn't throw
cross-platform around so loosely -- our initial Beta is Mac/Win only...

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 04:24, Tom Chiverton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Jules Suggate wrote:
  client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't
  burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest

 I'm not aware of any desktop cross-platform (i.e. Linux, Mac, Windows) run
 time that has a burnCD() function...
 You'll have to ship (3 ?) native binaries at least, I imagine...

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Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player

2008-11-21 Thread Steve Mathews
You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just
silently install the player you need when installing your application.
Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the
installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C#
app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi).
Steve

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  Hi list, long-time-no-post :)

 I've a gnarly one here.

 I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform desktop
 client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't
 burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest
 but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues around
 Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app and needs
 to be squeaky clean.

 How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be
 cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java.

 The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10
 installer, however these are the problems we still face:

- If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a two-step
install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is sooo 90s
- We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI plugin, so
if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't have 
 Mozilla
installed it's unclear what we should do
- Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs ActiveX) to
download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows

 Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin
 installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe
 legal?

 Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for
 this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture
 based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)?

 Hope this hits someone's cache!

 Cheers,
 Jules
 --
 Jules Suggate
 Owner and Technical Lead
 Uphill Sprint Limited

 +64-21-157-8562
 



RE: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Hayes
How easy was it to get the licence to distribute the flash player?
Anecdotally, I'd heard this was rather hard to do in practice, but maybe
this has changed since I last enquired a couple of years back.
This has always been a stumbling block for various solutions I've tried
over the years.
 
-Original Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Mathews
Sent: 21 November 2008 15:48
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player
 
You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just
silently install the player you need when installing your application.
Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the
installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only
(C# app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi).
 
Steve
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
Hi list, long-time-no-post :)

I've a gnarly one here.

I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform
desktop client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g.
you can't burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus
and the rest but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the
legal issues around Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a
consumer-facing app and needs to be squeaky clean.

How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be
cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from
Java.

The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10
installer, however these are the problems we still face:
* If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a
two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is
sooo 90s
* We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI
plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user
doesn't have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do
* Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs
ActiveX) to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows
Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin
installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with
Adobe legal?

Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for
this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not
conjecture based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)?

Hope this hits someone's cache!

Cheers,
Jules
--
Jules Suggate
Owner and Technical Lead
Uphill Sprint Limited

+64-21-157-8562


 
 

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Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player

2008-11-21 Thread Steve Mathews
Well it was less than great because someone here applied online several
times but could not actually get the installer. Then we had a chat with Lee
Brimelow (http://theflashblog.com/) http://theflashblog.com/, he passed
our request on and we got the installer within a day or two. So I would
recommend talking to him or another evangelist to help the process.
Steve

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Jim Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  How easy was it to get the licence to distribute the flash player?

 Anecdotally, I'd heard this was rather hard to do in practice, but maybe
 this has changed since I last enquired a couple of years back.

 This has always been a stumbling block for various solutions I've tried
 over the years.



 -Original Message-
 *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
 Behalf Of *Steve Mathews
 *Sent:* 21 November 2008 15:48
 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Embedding Flash Player



 You can get a license to distribute the installer from Adobe. Then just
 silently install the player you need when installing your application.
 Unless there is something I don't know about the 'Plugin' version of the
 installer. We are doing exactly this but we are targeting windows only (C#
 app + Flash 9 ActiveX msi).



 Steve

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Jules Suggate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Hi list, long-time-no-post :)

 I've a gnarly one here.

 I contract to a VC funded startup formed to create a cross-platform desktop
 client. Unfortunately AIR's APIs are not low-level enough (e.g. you can't
 burn a CD with AIR). We've looked at Zinc, Shu Player, Janus and the rest
 but Zinc and Janus don't support MacOS very well and the legal issues around
 Shu Player make us wary of using it. This is a consumer-facing app and needs
 to be squeaky clean.

 How about embedding the NPAPI FP10 in a Java process? That would be
 cross-platform, and we could use NPRuntime to interact seamlessly from Java.

 The Flash Player license allows us to automate download of the FP10
 installer, however these are the problems we still face:

 · If a user doesn't have the player installed, there will be a
 two-step install process (one for the player, one for our app), which is
 sooo 90s

 · We can't legally change the install location of the NPAPI
 plugin, so if we automate downloads of the NPAPI FP10 and the user doesn't
 have Mozilla installed it's unclear what we should do

 · Not sure if we can specify the kind of Player (NPAPI vs ActiveX)
 to download from adobe.com if the user is on Windows

 Even for the base case (a user with Mozilla and the NPAPI FP10 plugin
 installed prior to install of our app), should we talk this over with Adobe
 legal?

 Has anyone heard of Adobe entering into custom licensing agreements for
 this kind of thing (and I mean, actual bonafide true stories, not conjecture
 based on Adobe's licensing page making passing reference)?

 Hope this hits someone's cache!

 Cheers,
 Jules
 --
 Jules Suggate
 Owner and Technical Lead
 Uphill Sprint Limited

 +64-21-157-8562




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