Re: [flexcoders] Re: Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight!
What do you exactly mean with Sharepoint integration?
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight!
Sharepoint I think is mostly web services but it's possible that WebORB for .NET or Flourine could help with that as well and provide better performance. Sharepoint has a huge Webservices API, but it also has a more direct API integration with .NET. I don't know the exact details on that though, other than it exists. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO LLD Solutions Design Development eTools Multimedia Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight!
Sharepoint I think is mostly web services but it's possible that WebORB for .NET or Flourine could help with that as well and provide better performance. FABridge is a part of the Flex 3 SDK, no beta software there. I haven't heard what the Microsoft story is for having Silverlight do additional integrations with .NET services. My guess is that to be cross-platform they would continue to encourage web services. If you check out FB3 I think our web service introspection wizard might also help with that integration for you. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nate Pearson Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:57 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! wow, this thread got big! Thanks for the response Tom. I appreciate everyone else's response but I think we may have veered a little off topic. First my company and Microsoft are BFFs. I can't use the argument that Microsoft will screw us in the long run. 2nd, I think there's only one person that uses a mac on the development/design side and they already want to stick with the adobe product line. It's the other 99% of developers that are Visual Studio based that I have to convince. For sharepoint integration, is my only choice webservices? Can I interact with webparts? I know of the Ajax Bridge in labs, but my company is very big on no beta code in production. The head programmer here said that if silverlight significantly integrates better with sharepoint then his vote will be for silverlight. I know there are a bazillion better reasons to go with something but I'm just looking for SOME way to have my flex apps run in sharepoint. If I could make a demo of a flex chart interacting with a .NET datagrid I think my company would be sold on it. Thanks for everyone's help! -Nate --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 Feb 2008, Nate Pearson wrote: Although I know the answers to most of these questions I think any document from Adobe would say it better than I could. There's a page on adobe.com about adoption rates. Thing 95%+ and you're not far off. Plus it'll work no matter what your end users platform is (well...). Does sharepoint not have WebServices to intergrate with ? Checkout the upcoming 'thermo' for workflow tools. SEO is a solved problem, and the same for Silverlight - just provide HTML alternative content. My boss is flying to Redmond this afternoon for a meeting with Microsoft. Although it's not about Silverlight he is going to ask them about it and I'm sure they will try to give him some kool-aid. Well, make sure he goes to Adobe too :-) -- Tom Chiverton Helping to continually lead synergistic segments on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)
Guess what - I did not start this thread at all !!! So look at the thread origins before implying something like that. I only responded when I saw it on the Yahoo e-mail notification. -r reflexactions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't you start a thread about the same thing in June last year? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also Kevin, I think you might have mis-interpreted by what I meant by I will only use Microsoft products on the server. To clarify, I did not mean I will only choose MS server products on the server, but that, of all of Microsoft technologies there are, the only ones I will use, are on the Server. I am completely ditching Windows Vista and any support or any use of Microsoft software, I'm only going to use Mac OSX, and will continue to support customers that I've developed solutions for Windows for, only for the Windows Server platform, not for any client side technology whatsoever. I do not intend to make the mistakes I have in the past - ever - the cannot be trusted period. But my risk is minimal by supporting a Server technology if I have to or if the customer wants it. If they want Silverlight, I'll tell them why they shouldn't be using Silverlight or even using Windows for that matter as their personal computer...until the day I die, I'll testify to that. -r Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never been an advocate to either side of the debate, but don't you think you're being quite hypocritical in saying that the client aspect of Microsoft is evil, but that you still actively use the server products? If you're looking for a reason to not go with Silverlight, than go on the tried and true backup that no matter what Microsoft says, it will never be as flexible and well adopted as Flash already is. Adobe has the client market covered between Acrobat and Flash, so I won't be losing any sleep anytime soon. !k - From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: I am Robert D. Thompson. Here is Federally Published public record of something, http://www.fedcirc.us/case-reviews/thompson-v.-microsoft- corporation-4.html I will not discuss the above public record, but will discuss why I believe it would be Historically of poor judgment to trust Microsoft with a Client side technology, including it's lost to SUN Microsystems for licensing and then hacking it's client-side technology, and other cases such as Stac Electronics. Steven Ballmer went to Country Day Prep academy here in my homestate of Michigan and I know several people there through individuals I've known through Track and Field and running in the Junior (high-school level) TAC national championship team with through regionals. I've also had an attorney who has gone to that same school at the same time as Steven Ballmer. - OpenGL is standard, Microsoft will force DirectX even though it's losing ground to OpenGL among the vendors. It will find ways to tie into the API and hack things up like they did in the SUN MICROSYSTEMS's Java Hack - can you imagine; these people at Microsoft actually licensed Sun's Java and got the source code to it and hacked it up so it wouldn't run on Windows IE well without bugs. Even Rick Segal has posted comments after being quietly abandoned by Microsoft after the Steve Barkto Incident (google that) as saying that Microsoft hi-jacked the efforts of both Apple's QuickTime and Blue Mountain software through unethical methods and when the court asked for source code record, Microsoft said it was not available and Segal argued this was ridiculous (google Blue Mountain v Microsoft. I talk about State Attorney generals who have had much harsher things to say about MS than anyone on my site www.ActiveCommunity.com - Microsoft is losing ground to Apple, to OpenGL (look into Papervision 3D, it's amazing and can run on ALL PLATFORMS; MS will limit other platforms to a viewer only and it's been buggy as far as I've heard). - I am a .NET Programmer who specializes in using ActionScript 3.0 and integrating it with SQL Server 2005 using stored procedures. I will only use Microsoft products on the server because, (a) I still like the server but will never invest in trusting Microsoft for ANY Client end software as they will betray you in the end; don't do it, you will lose to them if you trust them, (b) I have found a Gold Certified
