Re: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
Fo the UI, you can try AsWing: http://www.aswing.org/ Haykel Ben Jemia Allmas Web RIA Development http://www.allmas-tn.com On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:53 AM, enridp enr...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: mmm... I was attracted by ColdFusion a few months ago because it was from Adobe and I thought it will work better with Flash, but I think there are many downsides. First, I don't know ColdFusion ^_^ Is not Free And I have a lot of API's for PHP Anyway, I don't think in PHP like a problem, Facebook is working with PHP. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Bill Brutzman bill.brutz...@... wrote: Consider also Adobe's ColdFusion. I have found ColdFusion to be easier to use and more robust than PHP. --Bill From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of enridp Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:10 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide) Yes, there's a lot of data. But I was thinking in AMFPHP for that. I think the alternatives are: 1) Adapting the Flex code that I need to a pure AS3 project (I'm not sure if this is possible in all the casses) 2) Using RSL's Because I can't start my project with 200Kb, the size is a really big problem. Can you (or someone) help me with some of the 2 options? I have not experience in it, so I can't think in possible problems with those solutions (Flex-AS3 and RSL's), can you see the problems? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.commailto: flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com flexcoders%2540yahoogroups.com , Bill Brutzman bill.brutzman@ wrote: My rule of thumb is that if there is data. like a database. then yes. Flex is the way to go. --Bill
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
Where did you see that WebORB for PHP is discontinued? I did a Google search and the only thing I could find was your post. I also prefer AMFPHP over WebOrb, is faster (even faster than Zend_AMF) and webOrb for PHP is discontinued
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
You can see in his forum valdhor: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/forum/Default.aspx?g=postst=3773 In fact, is really comprehensive, I love Open Source, I think the WORLD (I mean, economy, politics, etc not just sofware) should be open source. But we need a way to make money to live too, they said that there's no time for PHP because they are not selling it (I think the last update was in 2008). The forum is also with poor feedback, I made two questions 5 days ago and no body replied it. There's only one advantage of WebOrb (PHP) over AMFPHP, it supports Flex Messaging. But AMFPHP is faster* and they are working in 2.0 now. *You can see this tests of performance: http://www.marcordo.com/2010/03/25/cual-usaras-amfphp-zend-weborb/ and http://www.idsklijnsma.nl/weborb3amftest/ I don't know much about WebOrb, but I think it needs RemoteObject so we can't use it without the flex framework. Also I don't know if it supports Sessions (transparently like AMFPHP does) --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, valdhor valdhorli...@... wrote: Where did you see that WebORB for PHP is discontinued? I did a Google search and the only thing I could find was your post. I also prefer AMFPHP over WebOrb, is faster (even faster than Zend_AMF) and webOrb for PHP is discontinued
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
I didn't know it, thanks! I will see it in details, also I was thinking in MinimalComps (for my problem with SWF size how I said) What do you think about it respect to ASwing? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Haykel BEN JEMIA hayke...@... wrote: Fo the UI, you can try AsWing: http://www.aswing.org/ Haykel Ben Jemia Allmas Web RIA Development http://www.allmas-tn.com
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
I can't talk to how easy ColdFusion is as I have not used it very much but WebORB for PHP is very robust. My application is used by tens of thousands of people every day. I do know that for me, at least, PHP is very easy. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brutzman bill.brutz...@... wrote: Consider also Adobe's ColdFusion. I have found ColdFusion to be easier to use and more robust than PHP. --Bill From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of enridp Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:10 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide) Yes, there's a lot of data. But I was thinking in AMFPHP for that. I think the alternatives are: 1) Adapting the Flex code that I need to a pure AS3 project (I'm not sure if this is possible in all the casses) 2) Using RSL's Because I can't start my project with 200Kb, the size is a really big problem. Can you (or someone) help me with some of the 2 options? I have not experience in it, so I can't think in possible problems with those solutions (Flex-AS3 and RSL's), can you see the problems? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Bill Brutzman bill.brutzman@ wrote: My rule of thumb is that if there is data. like a database. then yes. Flex is the way to go. --Bill
Re: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
Same here, I don't do php on regular basis but whenever I needed to do something I was able to pull it through. And at least where I come from, php hosting is really cheap. I only saw a presentaion by Ben Forta regarding Cold Fusion. It did not seem rocket science but I don't know how hard it is ti get up to speed with that. It also depends on your php knowledge. C From: valdhor valdhorli...@embarqmail.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 2:36:58 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide) I can't talk to how easy ColdFusion is as I have not used it very much but WebORB for PHP is very robust. My application is used by tens of thousands of people every day. I do know that for me, at least, PHP is very easy. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brutzman bill.brutz...@... wrote: Consider also Adobe's ColdFusion. I have found ColdFusion to be easier to use and more robust than PHP. --Bill From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of enridp Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:10 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide) Yes, there's a lot of data. But I was thinking in AMFPHP for that. I think the alternatives are: 1) Adapting the Flex code that I need to a pure AS3 project (I'm not sure if this is possible in all the casses) 2) Using RSL's Because I can't start my project with 200Kb, the size is a really big problem. Can you (or someone) help me with some of the 2 options? I have not experience in it, so I can't think in possible problems with those solutions (Flex-AS3 and RSL's), can you see the problems? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Bill Brutzman bill.brutzman@ wrote: My rule of thumb is that if there is data. like a database. then yes. Flex is the way to go. --Bill
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
Yes I know, I'm using it with Flash. But AMFPHP doesn't support RTMP, maybe I can use Red5 for it, but I was thinking in working with webOrb and I need RemoteObject for that. Also, RemoteObject is not the only problem, it was just an example. There are a lot of useful things in Flex, but I need a way to avoid those 200KB RSL's looks nice, but it's even heavier (500KB), and I don't know how it will work... do you have any experience? What are the problems with RSL? I want to make the right decision before start coding, and use or not use Flex is a big decision. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, claudiu ursica the_bran...@... wrote: AMFPHP works with flash also. You need to update the data yourself within controls since no bindings are available, but it will be working. C
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
I don't know what happened, I have replied two posts last night and they just dissapear :S Anyway, here is again: I know we can use AMFPHP with Flash, I'm using it I also prefer AMFPHP over WebOrb, is faster (even faster than Zend_AMF) and webOrb for PHP is discontinued But AMFPHP does not support RTMP, maybe I can use Red5 (which works with Netconnections too), but WebOrb for Java needs RemoteObjects. However, RemoteObjects is not the only problem, I think Flex is a great Framework for developing RIA, if I don't use Flex I must recode a lot of basic classes and I will do it wrong (I know ^_^). I want to use Flex, but I can't have an application that starts (!) at 200KB. I was thinking in RSL, but I would like to know your opinions about that, because RSL is even heaver (500KB), and to use or not to use Flex is the first decision to take. What problems do you know about RSL? If you will be hired to defame RSL's what you will say? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, claudiu ursica the_bran...@... wrote: Same here, I don't do php on regular basis but whenever I needed to do something I was able to pull it through. And at least where I come from, php hosting is really cheap. I only saw a presentaion by Ben Forta regarding Cold Fusion. It did not seem rocket science but I don't know how hard it is ti get up to speed with that. It also depends on your php knowledge. C
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
mmm... I was attracted by ColdFusion a few months ago because it was from Adobe and I thought it will work better with Flash, but I think there are many downsides. First, I don't know ColdFusion ^_^ Is not Free And I have a lot of API's for PHP Anyway, I don't think in PHP like a problem, Facebook is working with PHP. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brutzman bill.brutz...@... wrote: Consider also Adobe's ColdFusion. I have found ColdFusion to be easier to use and more robust than PHP. --Bill From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of enridp Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:10 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide) Yes, there's a lot of data. But I was thinking in AMFPHP for that. I think the alternatives are: 1) Adapting the Flex code that I need to a pure AS3 project (I'm not sure if this is possible in all the casses) 2) Using RSL's Because I can't start my project with 200Kb, the size is a really big problem. Can you (or someone) help me with some of the 2 options? I have not experience in it, so I can't think in possible problems with those solutions (Flex-AS3 and RSL's), can you see the problems? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Bill Brutzman bill.brutzman@ wrote: My rule of thumb is that if there is data. like a database. then yes. Flex is the way to go. --Bill
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
Yes, there's a lot of data. But I was thinking in AMFPHP for that. I think the alternatives are: 1) Adapting the Flex code that I need to a pure AS3 project (I'm not sure if this is possible in all the casses) 2) Using RSL's Because I can't start my project with 200Kb, the size is a really big problem. Can you (or someone) help me with some of the 2 options? I have not experience in it, so I can't think in possible problems with those solutions (Flex-AS3 and RSL's), can you see the problems? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brutzman bill.brutz...@... wrote: My rule of thumb is that if there is data. like a database. then yes. Flex is the way to go. --Bill
[flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
Yes, that helps a lot. I was searching and I found this: http://www.logicalchaostheory.com/2008/02/10/remoteobject-for-flash-cs3/ I have not tested it yet, so I don't know if it has problems. But what happens with applications like WebOrb? do you think faking the RemoteObject class will work? Also, Serialization and de-serialization on the server side, is solved by WebOrb, I think that's won't be my problem (or yes? :S) I'm trying to download the open source of Flex, and I found this: http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Download+Flex+4 http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Downloads I think I need the Open Source Flex SDK, but what is inside Adobe Add-ons for Open Source Flex SDK? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, claudiu ursica the_bran...@... wrote: You know that RemoteObject is built on top of NetConnection. What you ultimately do is make remote procedure calls. You don't need flex but then you need to do the work yourself. Serialization and de-serialization on the server side. On the other hand flex is open source so If you don't need something visual you just take the source code from flex compile it with your flash app and you should be good to go. I deed that with the base 64 encoder/decoders and except for a resource manager reference which I did not need after all it was ok. Depending on your needs you can take that source code and play with it. HTH in some way, C
Re: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
AMFPHP works with flash also. You need to update the data yourself within controls since no bindings are available, but it will be working. C From: enridp enr...@yahoo.com.ar To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:09:34 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide) Yes, there's a lot of data. But I was thinking in AMFPHP for that. I think the alternatives are: 1) Adapting the Flex code that I need to a pure AS3 project (I'm not sure if this is possible in all the casses) 2) Using RSL's Because I can't start my project with 200Kb, the size is a really big problem. Can you (or someone) help me with some of the 2 options? I have not experience in it, so I can't think in possible problems with those solutions (Flex-AS3 and RSL's), can you see the problems? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brutzman bill.brutz...@... wrote: My rule of thumb is that if there is data. like a database. then yes. Flex is the way to go. --Bill
RE: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide)
Consider also Adobe's ColdFusion. I have found ColdFusion to be easier to use and more robust than PHP. --Bill From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of enridp Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:10 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: I don't know if I need Flex (please help me to decide) Yes, there's a lot of data. But I was thinking in AMFPHP for that. I think the alternatives are: 1) Adapting the Flex code that I need to a pure AS3 project (I'm not sure if this is possible in all the casses) 2) Using RSL's Because I can't start my project with 200Kb, the size is a really big problem. Can you (or someone) help me with some of the 2 options? I have not experience in it, so I can't think in possible problems with those solutions (Flex-AS3 and RSL's), can you see the problems? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Bill Brutzman bill.brutz...@... wrote: My rule of thumb is that if there is data. like a database. then yes. Flex is the way to go. --Bill
