Re: [Flightgear-devel] dc3-yasim model: engines?

2002-05-22 Thread Alex Perry
Another issue is that, on landing with the dc3-yasim at a rather high speed (so that the angle of attack is near 0), the tail instantly falls onto the runway, but the aircraft nevertheless doesn't take off again, although the angle of attack just increased rapidly. Although I haven't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] dc3-yasim model: engines?

2002-05-22 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: What I think you're seeing is the feature that *everyone* who tries the DC-3 discovers: the DC-3 is a taildragger, and is really, really, really (!) hard to handle on the ground. I've had zillions of complaints about this, and have investigated every one thoroughly.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] dc3-yasim model: engines?

2002-05-22 Thread Andy Ross
Alex Perry wrote: I don't know whether YASim models ground effect; if it does, the tailplane becomes more effective in ground effect and sucks the tail downwards. That'll exacerbate the torque of the forward gear mounting position. Oooh! Good point. YASim does indeed model ground effect

Re: [Flightgear-devel] dc3-yasim model: engines?

2002-05-22 Thread Andy Ross
Whee, here we go again. :) David Megginson wrote: Andy -- can you actually manage the DC-3 in a ground roll and takeoff? I have not been able to do so for a long time -- it always ends up spinning like a top. If you can do it, perhaps it would help if you posted a step-by-step. First off,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] dc3-yasim model: engines?

2002-05-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Whee, here we go again. :) David Megginson wrote: Andy -- can you actually manage the DC-3 in a ground roll and takeoff? I have not been able to do so for a long time -- it always ends up spinning like a top. If you can do it, perhaps it would help if you posted a

[Flightgear-devel] DC-3 takeoff roll: partial solution

2002-05-22 Thread David Megginson
Here's a lot of information on taxiing the DC-3: http://www.douglasdc3.com/dc3taxi/dc3taxi.htm The most important point is that the DC-3 tailwheel must be locked for takeoff and landing (i.e. it doesn't caster freely). Also of note: 1. According to the author, at least, differential braking

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DC-3 takeoff roll: partial solution

2002-05-22 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: 1. According to the author, at least, differential braking is bad form while taxiing the DC-3; you should use differential power instead except for very tight turns. I'll buy that. But working dual throttles during the takeoff and landing rolls can't possibly be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DC-3 takeoff roll: partial solution

2002-05-22 Thread Major A
Andy, CAUTION: THE TAIL WHEEL LOCK MUST BE LOCKED DURING TAKE OFF AND LANDING. Sounds like good advice to me. I'm not at home right now; can someone remove the castering setting from the dc3.xml file and try it? If this is the solution, then I'll add a property-based control for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] dc3-yasim model: engines?

2002-05-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 22 May 2002 21:49:44 +0200, Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andy Ross wrote: Whee, here we go again. :) David Megginson wrote: Andy -- can you actually manage the DC-3 in a ground roll and takeoff?I have not been able to do so for a long

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DC-3 takeoff roll: partial solution

2002-05-22 Thread Major A
Andy, I just made two recordings of flights with the DC3, but can't play them back because fgfs segfaults. I can put them on the web if that helps (maybe even to debug the segfault...). Andras === Major Andras

[Flightgear-devel] Re: New YASim files for base package

2002-05-22 Thread Alex Romosan
Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The patch requires new aircraft descriptions. These are available at: http://plausible.org/yasim-aircraft-20020521.tar.gz is anybody able to fly the yasim planes with latest cvs and the above patch? i keep getting: YASim SOLUTION FAILURE: Solution

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: New YASim files for base package

2002-05-22 Thread Andy Ross
Alex Romosan wrote: is anybody able to fly the yasim planes with latest cvs and the above patch? i keep getting: YASim SOLUTION FAILURE: Solution failed to converge after 1 iterations for the a4, harrier, 747. I appear to have goofed something up with the posted planes. Or perhaps

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DC-3 takeoff roll: partial solution

2002-05-22 Thread Major A
but if I try to use only one engine, the aircraft soon pitches up and crashes with the front wheels still on the ground, the tail stuck on the tarmac. Two engines work fine, though. But here you've lost me. Normally, the aircraft state with all three wheels on the ground is not called

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DC-3 takeoff roll: partial solution

2002-05-22 Thread Andy Ross
Major A wrote: Sorry, sorry, that should have read tail stuck IN the ground. Attached screenshot taken within 3sec after releasing brakes, after this, the plane pitches up even more, and fgfs hangs, moaning about terrain intersections. Maybe it's the two fronts wheels taking off rather than

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DC-3 takeoff roll: partial solution

2002-05-22 Thread Alex Perry
You started up the engines, firewalled the throttle, let the RPMs stablize, released the brakes, and the aircraft pitched *up*??? That's clearly unphysical. Why ? The nose pitches down with power and brake application. So, releasing the brakes makes the nose pitch up.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] DC-3 takeoff roll: partial solution

2002-05-22 Thread Major A
but if I try to use only one engine, the aircraft soon pitches up and crashes with the front wheels still on the ground, the tail stuck on the tarmac. Two engines work fine, though. But here you've lost me. Normally, the aircraft state with all three wheels on the ground is not called

[Flightgear-devel] Couple links for visual designers

2002-05-22 Thread Cameron Moore
AVSim.com had a post today with a really good link to an aircraft resource page. It's here: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/walk.htm That page has walk-around pics for many military aircraft from a host of countries. Great stuff for anyone working on 3D models or panels. AVSim also