Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Manuel Bessler wrote: Could someone with that or a similar book please help out. If you can help with better numbers for the 717-200 flightmodel that would be highly appreciated. Did you see these pages: http://www.bh.com/companions/034074152X/appendices/data-a/table-2/table.htm

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-17 Thread Matevz Jekovec
Manuel Bessler wrote: Now, if we could use the blender built-in animation tools for creating the fgfs model/animation .xml files, that would be very cool. ;-) Yeah, that would be cool (although I never actually worked with Blender animation tools...). However, many things can change in future

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-17 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:02:56PM -0400, David Megginson wrote: Manuel Bessler writes: Sure, if a model flies 'by the numbers' is a good start, but there are other properties that need to be simulated well for a good model, esp. outside of cruise (cruise is probably the simplest

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-17 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:53:50PM -0400, Nick wrote: Manuel, If you find errors in the MSFS let me know. I have a friend who is a developer there, on CFS but he talks to the MSFS guys too. Just for information he is a fully-trained (Kansas Univ.) engineer who used to do aero model

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-17 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: Manuel Bessler wrote: Could someone with that or a similar book please help out. If you can help with better numbers for the 717-200 flightmodel that would be highly appreciated. Did you see these pages:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread Jim Wilson
Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good evening, Just as a matter of professional technique, the pilot's opinion is the = last place to go for verification. Do every possible thing you can to = He he...an airliner pilot that designs flight dynamics models in his spare time may not totally agree

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread Nick
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good evening, Just as a matter of professional technique, the pilot's opinion is the = last place to go for verification. Do every possible thing you can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread Matevz Jekovec
The 3D model is not that far yet. I'm not very good when it comes to modelling. Its completely made in blender (2.27). No movable parts yet. I realized that the ac-export python script does not use the names for the meshes that are given in blender. Is anyone else using only blender to create

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread Jim Wilson
Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim, Maybe so, but the Boeing test pilots I worked with were OK with it. They realize that they are uncalibrated and adaptive (with few notable exceptions). Nickolas Hein Morgantown WV True. I think the problem (in my experience) is often the lack of

Re: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread nick.hein
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:08:15PM +0200, Matevz Jekovec wrote: The 3D model is not that far yet. I'm not very good when it comes to modelling. Its completely made in blender (2.27). No movable parts yet. I realized that the ac-export python script does not use the names for the meshes that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 10:19:45PM -0500, David Culp wrote: I'd like to hear what you think. (esp. concerning the flightmodel) Very nice! I took it around the pattern once, and it flies well. I'll fly it some more later. Off hand I'd say it needs a little more drag when fully

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread Manuel Bessler
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:33:44PM -0400, Nick wrote: Good evening, Just as a matter of professional technique, the pilot's opinion is the last place to go for verification. Do every possible thing you can to check your results objectively. Then tell the pilot you've done every possible

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread Nick
to lunch with him once a month before I moved from Seattle to WV. Nickolas HeinMorgantown WV - Original Message - From: Manuel Bessler To: FlightGear developers discussions Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-16 Thread David Megginson
Manuel Bessler writes: Sure, if a model flies 'by the numbers' is a good start, but there are other properties that need to be simulated well for a good model, esp. outside of cruise (cruise is probably the simplest part). It's all numbers, of course: it's just that the numbers for the

[Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-15 Thread Manuel Bessler
Hi, my jsbsim 717-200 flies much nicer now. Maybe a little more fiddling w/ the elevator. For test flights, check out the plane at: http://cockpit.varxec.de/fgfs/fgfs_717-200.tar.bz2 (includes ac3d file of visual model, but no sounds) http://cockpit.varxec.de/fgfs/fgfs_717-200_71.blend.gz (the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-15 Thread David Culp
I'd like to hear what you think. (esp. concerning the flightmodel) Very nice! I took it around the pattern once, and it flies well. I'll fly it some more later. Off hand I'd say it needs a little more drag when fully configured, although the problem could also be excessive idle thrust.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress

2003-09-15 Thread Nick
gear-devel] Boeing 717-200 progress I'd like to hear what you think. (esp. concerning the flightmodel)Very nice! I took it around the pattern once, and it flies well. I'll fly it some more later. Off hand I'd say it needs a little more drag when fully configured, although the problem