Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: The one area to be careful of is airports, runways, and taxiways of course. I'd hate to lose a lot of the hand edited data from X-Plane for airports that aren't available in DAFIFT (and for all the taxiways.) Agreed -- we should stick to ILS, navaids, and fixes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: That might be the thing to do. Fixes are something I'd have no hesitation to switching to DAFIFT format. We should also consider whether we want to compress the DAFIFT files. They take much more disk space uncompressed, but presumably CVS updates would be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread James Turner
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 02:12 pm, David Megginson wrote: We should also consider whether we want to compress the DAFIFT files. They take much more disk space uncompressed, but presumably CVS updates would be significantly faster, since they would exchange only deltas (or does the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread Curtis L. Olson
James Turner writes: On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 02:12 pm, David Megginson wrote: We should also consider whether we want to compress the DAFIFT files. They take much more disk space uncompressed, but presumably CVS updates would be significantly faster, since they would exchange

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread Jon Stockill
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: The one area to be careful of is airports, runways, and taxiways of course. I'd hate to lose a lot of the hand edited data from X-Plane for airports that aren't available in DAFIFT (and for all the taxiways.)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread Jon Stockill
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: That might be the thing to do. Fixes are something I'd have no hesitation to switching to DAFIFT format. We should also consider whether we want to compress the DAFIFT files. They take much more disk space

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Stockill writes: We should also consider whether we want to compress the DAFIFT files. They take much more disk space uncompressed, but presumably CVS updates would be significantly faster, since they would exchange only deltas (or does the whole file come anyway?). AIUI you'd get

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon Stockill writes: On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: The one area to be careful of is airports, runways, and taxiways of course. I'd hate to lose a lot of the hand edited data from X-Plane for airports that aren't available in DAFIFT (and for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread David Megginson
Jon Stockill writes: AIUI you'd get the whole file if it was compressed, because it's a binary file, where you'd just get diffs if it's left as text. I was pretty sure that that was the case, as well, but I'm concerned that sometimes CVS sends the whole file anyway. Are there any CVS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-21 Thread David Megginson
Jon Stockill writes: The problem you have in using different sources for ILS and runways is that the two may not always line up. As far as I know, Robin takes the ILS positions from published sources rather than manually tweaking them to line up with his runways. All the best, David --

[Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
I'm currently checking new files Navaids/default.nav.gz and Navaids/default.fix.gz into the base package. These are generated directly from DAFIF files (I've checked in my Perl scripts as well), so they will be easy to keep up to date. The navaids file is a moderate improvement, adding a couple

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David, In the spirit of keeping code separate from data, would it make sense to put the scripts somewhere in the source tree? Maybe scripts/ or src/Navaids/? Curt. David Megginson writes: I'm currently checking new files Navaids/default.nav.gz and Navaids/default.fix.gz into the base

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Curtis L. Olson writes: David, In the spirit of keeping code separate from data, would it make sense to put the scripts somewhere in the source tree? Maybe scripts/ or src/Navaids/? I should also say this really cool to be able to incorporate this data directly. In terms of fixes though

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: In the spirit of keeping code separate from data, would it make sense to put the scripts somewhere in the source tree? Maybe scripts/ or src/Navaids/? Sure -- I just dumped them there for now. Someone suggested earlier that we should modify FlightGear to read the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: I should also say this really cool to be able to incorporate this data directly. In terms of fixes though 72000 is an insane amount. For anyone wanting to actaully draw these on a map, there is going to have to be some sort of data reduction strategy. Does the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Sure -- I just dumped them there for now. Someone suggested earlier that we should modify FlightGear to read the DAFIFT format directly, and I think that's a good idea; at that point, the scripts would be obsolete. I think this is a great idea ... that makes it easier

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Navaids and fixes from DAFIF

2003-02-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Different intersections and fixes server different purposes: the ones around KSFO are probably parts of various instrument approaches, and we would need most or all of them to simulate ATC or an approach-certified GPS. Just around Ottawa TCA, we have quite a few