[Flightgear-devel] the new telnet server

2002-05-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
The new telnet server has really become nice. It's great to be able to connect more than just once. :-) But I don't like the new commands: view set n display view 'n' view get return current view index view current return current view index Why bloat the interface

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound problems

2002-05-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Hope I'm not being a pest but it's been a while since the last sound patch. The gear-lock sound doesn't work on the c310. Nor do the engine[0] sounds. And the cranking is weird (very short?) on everything. I tried playing around with the xml some but didn't get any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SI vs Imperial

2002-05-16 Thread Martin Dressler
On Thu 16. May 2002 00:51, you wrote: ..does anyone use metric flight instruments anymore? The only ones I know of, were the WWII Luftwaffe and the Warsaw Pact Air Forces and hang-arounds, possibly also the Communist Chinese AF. AFAIK, none of these were strictly SI metric. All Instruments

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Martin Dressler
I'm sure that there exist SI aircraft panels somewhere, but I have not yet seen photos of any in general aviation. look here http://www.musicabona.com/martin/pic/tocna11.jpg Madr ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Jim Wilson
C. Hotchkiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: David, The only place that I know of that manufactures aircraft (or at least did routinely) with SI based instrumentation was the old Soviet Union. Some of their aircraft either sold to customers, or operating outside the SU were involved in at least

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FDMs and external atmosphere

2002-05-16 Thread David Megginson
Ralph Jones writes: It would, indeed, be nice to have a vertical velocity model for simulating soaring flight. I'm still trying to run down stability derivatives for my sailplane! It will be easy to allow you to specify up- or down-drafts for specific areas; it will be much harder to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread David Megginson
C. Hotchkiss writes: The only place that I know of that manufactures aircraft (or at least did routinely) with SI based instrumentation was the old Soviet Union. Some of their aircraft either sold to customers, or operating outside the SU were involved in at least two mid air

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Source code Documentation

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Cameron Moore writes: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A J) [2002.05.16 07:51]: is there any documentation for FGFS source code? if there exist any i will be glad to send me its address. FlightGear does not use a source documentation system (such as doxygen or DOC++). What documentation we have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Cameron Moore writes: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis L. Olson) [2002.05.16 23:06]: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.7/FlightGear/src/Main In directory seneca:/tmp/cvs-serv26528/src/Main Modified Files: options.cxx Log Message: Bernie Bright: To make MSVC happy it appears we

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound problems

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Erik Hofman writes: Jim Wilson wrote: Hope I'm not being a pest but it's been a while since the last sound patch. The gear-lock sound doesn't work on the c310. Nor do the engine[0] sounds. And the cranking is weird (very short?) on everything. I tried playing around with the xml some

[Flightgear-devel] plotting/logging tool

2002-05-16 Thread Quint Mouthaan
Hello, a while ago I asked about a plotting tool of which I had seen on this mailing list that it would be integrated into FlightGear. I saw in the latest news messages that the logging was updated in version 0.7.10 of FG but I can't find anything that looks like a plotting tool. If the tool has

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread jacco
So David Megginson says: [...] ditto for the Gimli Glider, the Air Canada 767 that ran out of fuel at altitude and was brought down safely on a drag strip (former runway) in Gimli, Manitoba: http://www.frontier.net/~wadenelson/successstories/gimli.html Air Canada had just switched to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plotting/logging tool

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Quint, Here's an interesting option. Recently, I've been chatting with the author of the KFlog project (http://www.kflog.org/) I think it would be really useful and cool if we could get FlightGear interacting with KFlog. Regards, Curt. Quint Mouthaan writes: Hello, a while ago I asked

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thursday 16 May 2002 16:25: After reading this story I can't help but note another advantage of SI: easy-to-remember figures. 0 degrees celsius is where water freezes, 100 degrees is where water boils, and a liter of water weighs one kilogram. *) [...] *) I know, its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curt Olson) [2002.05.17 08:43]: Cameron Moore writes: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis L. Olson) [2002.05.16 23:06]: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.7/FlightGear/src/Main In directory seneca:/tmp/cvs-serv26528/src/Main Modified Files: options.cxx Log

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Thursday 16 May 2002 16:35: ... and the SI unit for temperature is Kelvin, no? :- OK, OK. Degree Celsius is a so-called Derived SI Unit. :-) m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] the new telnet server and scripting

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
First, let me point out the new telnet server is *very* nice. Bernie has rewritten it based on the plib net libs. It can handle multiple concurrent connections. This is a big improvement! Along with this, Bernie has also provided a demo python script that shows how you can use the telnet

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ writes: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thursday 16 May 2002 16:25: After reading this story I can't help but note another advantage of SI: easy-to-remember figures. 0 degrees celsius is where water freezes, 100 degrees is where water boils, and a liter of water weighs one kilogram.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Cameron Moore writes: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curt Olson) [2002.05.17 08:43]: Cameron Moore writes: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis L. Olson) [2002.05.16 23:06]: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.7/FlightGear/src/Main In directory seneca:/tmp/cvs-serv26528/src/Main Modified Files:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 16 May 2002 09:48:06 -0500 (CDT) Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... and the SI unit for temperature is Kelvin, no? :- So what is the SI unit for direction/heading? Certainly they wouldn't overload unit names, right? :-) One of the worst things about metric,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Derrell . Lipman
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Originally this was changed to something like: cout usage: Nicely formatted text that will look exactly like it is entered here when it is displayed by the program. This is very 'pretty' to be able to do. endl;

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis L. Olson -- Thursday 16 May 2002 16:48: Melchior FRANZ writes: ... and the SI unit for temperature is Kelvin, no? :- So what is the SI unit for direction/heading? Certainly they wouldn't overload unit names, right? :-) There's no contradiction, as far as I see: degree comes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Christian Mayer
Jon S Berndt wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2002 09:48:06 -0500 (CDT) Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... and the SI unit for temperature is Kelvin, no? :- So what is the SI unit for direction/heading? Certainly they wouldn't overload unit names, right? :-) One of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Christian Mayer
Cameron Moore wrote: Then I'd like to request that we revert the changes to options.cxx:fgUsage(). Is this: cout say endl what?! endl; worse than this?: cout say\n\ what?!\n; Far be it from me to argue with Bernie about anything C++, but I prefer to use the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Christian Mayer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This can be done portably using the standard string concatenation feature of the language. The above would look like the following and likely work with any reasonably modern compiler (this string concatenation feature did not exist in KR C but did beginning with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread John Wojnaroski
So what is the SI unit for direction/heading? Certainly they wouldn't overload unit names, right? :-) I recall reading an article several years ago in a flying mag (can't remember exactly where or when) on someone's proposal to change the number of degrees on the compass from 360 to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
John Wojnaroski writes: So what is the SI unit for direction/heading? Certainly they wouldn't overload unit names, right? :-) I recall reading an article several years ago in a flying mag (can't remember exactly where or when) on someone's proposal to change the number of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Christian Mayer
John Wojnaroski wrote: So what is the SI unit for direction/heading? Certainly they wouldn't overload unit names, right? :-) I recall reading an article several years ago in a flying mag (can't remember exactly where or when) on someone's proposal to change the number of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Julian Foad
Christian Mayer wrote: Note: You 2nd version does *not* use the string concatenation. The 2nd version boils down to the very C++ dependant operator(operator(operator(cout, usage),endl),...); Yes, it does. What point are you trying to make by saying very C++ dependant? Nearly all of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Julian Foad
John Wojnaroski wrote: I recall reading an article several years ago in a flying mag (can't remember exactly where or when) on someone's proposal to change the number of degrees on the compass from 360 to 400. ... Have you noticed Deg/Rad/Grad or DRG on every scientific calculator? Those

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Christian Mayer
Julian Foad wrote: Christian Mayer wrote: Note: You 2nd version does *not* use the string concatenation. The 2nd version boils down to the very C++ dependant operator(operator(operator(cout, usage),endl),...); Yes, it does. What point are you trying to make by saying very C++

[Flightgear-devel] Cameron's time zone

2002-05-16 Thread Julian Foad
Cameron, your latest e-mail message is time-stamped with: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:41:01 -0500 which means 09:41 on the 17th, local time, which is 5 hours behind UTC, which is about a day into the future. (The current time now is Thu 16 May 2002 16:38 UTC.) - Julian

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Alex Perry
Christian said: (Note: degrees are still valid as they are *internationally* well known. slugs aren't) Yes they are ... each country's definition depends on local climate and fauna, ranging from one gram, through one ounce to as high as one pound. I don't know of a slug being one kilogram but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Christian Mayer
Alex Perry wrote: Christian said: (Note: degrees are still valid as they are *internationally* well known. slugs aren't) Yes they are ... each country's definition depends on local climate and fauna, ranging from one gram, through one ounce to as high as one pound. I don't know of a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plotting/logging tool

2002-05-16 Thread Alex Perry
My fault partially, sorry. a while ago I asked about a plotting tool of which I had seen on this mailing list that it would be integrated into FlightGear. I saw in the latest news messages that the logging was updated in version 0.7.10 of FG but I can't find anything that looks like a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: So what is the SI unit for direction/heading? Certainly they wouldn't overload unit names, right? :-) Oooh, here's a good one! There *are* no unit names for angles. Angles are unitless numbers. So to be strict, the SI unit for heading must be the radian. :) FWIW,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/Main options.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Julian Foad
Christian Mayer wrote: I wanted to point out the very big (internal) differnce of the ANSI C style string1 string2 THat ends up as string1string2 in a normal array of char vs. The C++ way: cout string1 string2 wich uses the operator() method. Both are valid and have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 16 May 2002 18:46:16 +0200 Christian Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian said: (Note: degrees are still valid as they are *internationally* well known. slugs aren't) Alex responded: Yes they are ... each country's definition depends on local climate and fauna, ranging

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cameron's time zone

2002-05-16 Thread Julian Foad
Alex Perry wrote: Cameron, your latest e-mail message is time-stamped with: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:41:01 -0500 which means 09:41 on the 17th, local time, which is 5 hours behind UTC, which is about a day into the future. Don;t worry about it; Cameron just likes to have his

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plotting/logging tool

2002-05-16 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 16 May 2002 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Alex Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually storing the data to file is already supported in FGFS, I believe. FWIW, JSBSim logs its FDM data in a configurable manner. See the bottom of the X-15 config file, for isntance, as well as FGOutput.c|h.

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Julian Foad -- Thursday 16 May 2002 18:27: Have you noticed Deg/Rad/Grad or DRG on every scientific calculator? Those are Grads. I've heard that the military use them ... but I haven't seen any evidence of it. Infantery and artillery use 0-6400 mil (called Strich over here), NBC also uses

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Andy Ross
Christian Mayer wrote: (Note: degrees are still valid as they are *internationally* well known. slugs aren't) Actually, there's a very good reason why we use a 360 degree circle. This number has loads of small integer divisors. What's the inner angle between the walls of a 4-sided room? 90

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Mainoptions.cxx,1.162,1.163

2002-05-16 Thread Erik Hofman
So in the end, I'm not sure which is better. They each have their pluses ... Lets move it over to an XML file ... Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FDMs and external atmosphere

2002-05-16 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: Ralph Jones writes: It would, indeed, be nice to have a vertical velocity model for simulating soaring flight. I'm still trying to run down stability derivatives for my sailplane! It will be easy to allow you to specify up- or down-drafts for specific areas; it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plotting/logging tool

2002-05-16 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Here's an interesting option. Recently, I've been chatting with the author of the KFlog project (http://www.kflog.org/) What an unfortunate name. Am I the only one who read that and thought Hm... I wouldn't really have though KDE needed a flogging application on the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread C. Hotchkiss
David Megginson wrote: C. Hotchkiss writes: The only place... Maybe somebody can recall these instances with better accuracy. Either way, history condemned us to English units. Yes, ditto for the Gimli Glider, the Air Canada 767 that ran out of fuel at altitude and was brought

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plotting/logging tool

2002-05-16 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: Actually storing the data to file is already supported in FGFS, I believe. Yes, it is. See docs-mini/README.logging in the FlightGear source distribution. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cameron's time zone

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Alex Perry writes: Cameron, your latest e-mail message is time-stamped with: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:41:01 -0500 which means 09:41 on the 17th, local time, which is 5 hours behind UTC, which is about a day into the future. Don;t worry about it; Cameron just likes to have his

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread David Megginson
C. Hotchkiss writes: Ah, yes. I recall that now. A very interesting incident. Amusing that a low tech solution like dip sticks is still being used. Also instructive to efforts to convert the aircraft industry over to SI. It should be done, but with great care. Yes, I agree, on both

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread C. Hotchkiss
Andy Ross wrote: Christian Mayer wrote: (Note: degrees are still valid as they are *internationally* well known. slugs aren't) Actually, there's a very good reason why we use a 360 degree circle. This number has loads of small integer divisors. ...In the days before calculators, this

[Flightgear-devel] [off topic] Babylonian finger counting

2002-05-16 Thread David Megginson
C. Hotchkiss writes: IIRC, 360 degrees is Babylonian in origin. For some reason multiples of 12 and the number 360 was very important to them. I read that it's how they counted on their fingers. Using your thumb, touch the top third (near the tip) of each finger for 1-4, the middle third

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Environment subsystem status

2002-05-16 Thread Christian Mayer
David Megginson wrote: Yech. (By the way, in Ontario [at least] we abbreviate kilometers per hour to clicks, i.e. You won't average better than 70 or 80 clicks with all the construction. I wonder if that will ever become standard usage anywhere else.) I'm sure I've heard about that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [off topic] Babylonian finger counting

2002-05-16 Thread Christian Mayer
David Megginson wrote: C. Hotchkiss writes: IIRC, 360 degrees is Babylonian in origin. For some reason multiples of 12 and the number 360 was very important to them. I read that it's how they counted on their fingers. Using your thumb, touch the top third (near the tip) of each

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [off topic] Babylonian finger counting

2002-05-16 Thread Alex Perry
I read that it's how they counted on their fingers. Using your thumb, touch the top third (near the tip) of each finger for 1-4, the middle third (between the two knuckles) of each finger for 5-8, and the bottom third for 9-12. I'm not sure how they combined the second hand with that, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Arnt's timezone

2002-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 16 May 2002 18:17:00 +0100, Julian Foad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt, your mail clock seems to be two hours in the past. Your message which I think you wrote just a few minutes ago says Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:12:41 +0200 but the time now is about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cameron's time zone

2002-05-16 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julian Foad) [2002.05.17 11:43]: Cameron, your latest e-mail message is time-stamped with: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:41:01 -0500 which means 09:41 on the 17th, local time, which is 5 hours behind UTC, which is about a day into the future. (The current time now is Thu

[Flightgear-devel] Latest MSVC Problem with options.cxx

2002-05-16 Thread Jonathan Polley
MSVC does not like the size of the string constant in options.cxx C:\FlightGear\src\Main\options.cxx(1143) : error C2026: string too big, trailing characters truncated C:\FlightGear\src\Main\options.cxx(1181) : error C2026: string too big, trailing characters truncated

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest MSVC Problem with options.cxx

2002-05-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jonathan Polley writes: MSVC does not like the size of the string constant in options.cxx C:\FlightGear\src\Main\options.cxx(1143) : error C2026: string too big, trailing characters truncated C:\FlightGear\src\Main\options.cxx(1181) : error C2026: string too big, trailing characters

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest MSVC Problem with options.cxx

2002-05-16 Thread Jonathan Polley
I fixed the problem by breaking the option strings into logical chunks. I. e., Each major section gets its own string and print statement. While this probably is not a good long term solution, it did get me up and running. Jonathan Polley On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 09:56 PM, Curtis L.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest MSVC Problem with options.cxx

2002-05-16 Thread Bernie Bright
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Jonathan Polley writes: MSVC does not like the size of the string constant in options.cxx C:\FlightGear\src\Main\options.cxx(1143) : error C2026: string too big, trailing characters truncated C:\FlightGear\src\Main\options.cxx(1181) : error C2026: string too