Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Roman Grigoriev
Sorry Erik I don't want offend anyone here But If I know that shaders will be used sometimes in fgfs I will work on them but there are a lot of work to do and if anyone colud help me we can work on it. So I propose this http://fgfs.narod.ru/glsl.tar.gz as framework for using shaders in fgfs. What

Re: [Flightgear-devel] (OT) River Visual Rwy 19 DCA

2005-06-22 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On June 20, 2005 10:11 pm, Dave Culp wrote: Here's some guy flying the River Visual to Runway 19 at DCA. This is a 19MB avi file. I'll leave this up for a couple days, then remove it to put the hangar back up. http://home.comcast.net/~davidculp2/dca_visual_19.AVI Dave You

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On June 21, 2005 03:34 am, Roman Grigoriev wrote: to Harald JOHNSEN: spot lights in fgfs I had 3 years ago. they worked on vertex program and registercombiners but everyone afraid of vertex programs and multitexturing You can see some screens here http://fgfs.narod.ru In my opinion, if the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: latest OpenAL not compatable?

2005-06-22 Thread Martin Spott
Andy Ross wrote: This is still bad, though. One would expect a version 1.1 API to remain backwards compatible with the 1.0 API. Look at PLIB, FlightGear depends on it as well and their policy is not that much different, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its

[Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread bass pumped
Hi all, I was working on interfacing flightgear with Simulink via UDP... I'm happy to say that it worked :-) I used a matlab script file to read and write data to transfer data to flightgear. I was looking at the data that is being sent and I realized that of all the engine data being sent,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: latest OpenAL not compatable?

2005-06-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Alex Romosan wrote: Dave Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just curious ... Is there any reason why OpenAl doesn't offer stable releases? probably because it's still under development? on their web page (openal.org) they say they are migrating to openal 1.1 specifications. as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: latest OpenAL not compatable?

2005-06-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: This is still bad, though. One would expect a version 1.1 API to remain backwards compatible with the 1.0 API. Oh, and it's not all bad. They are finally making the API compatible for all supported platforms. Right now it differs at some places ... Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Roman Grigoriev wrote: Sorry Erik I don't want offend anyone here But If I know that shaders will be used sometimes in fgfs I will work on them but there are a lot of work to do and if anyone colud help me we can work on it. So I propose this http://fgfs.narod.ru/glsl.tar.gz as framework for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Roman Grigoriev
- Original Message - From: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@flightgear.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows Roman Grigoriev wrote: Sorry Erik I don't want offend anyone

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Roman Grigoriev wrote: But I don't know about SGI - does this architecture support shaders at all? So I think that if you add new classes to simgear people can start using them and mekes things better. SGI, ehm, well yes, sort of. They invented the shaders, but only have a software (CPU)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Roman Grigoriev
Ok Ampere I try to explain so forgive me to my bad english Lets start from simple For example about runway lights http://fgfs.narod.ru/glsl.tar.gz I think that its' not good to use sphere mapping for runway lights points to calculate visibility and have using triangles instead points. - so you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Roman Grigoriev
- Original Message - From: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@flightgear.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows Roman Grigoriev wrote: But I don't know about SGI - does this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Martin Spott
Roman Grigoriev wrote: [...] because you can specify shaders that can be loaded to NV only or ATI only and during fgfs startup we can detect archtecture and load proper shader. for example using NV shaders on NV hardware can get 20% boost to framerate. and detection of hardware is so easy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Roman Grigoriev
- Original Message - From: Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel To: flightgear-devel@flightgear.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows Roman Grigoriev wrote: [...] because you can specify shaders

[Flightgear-devel] FGFS 0.9.8 Compilation Error

2005-06-22 Thread flight . safety
I got the following error while doing make: FGNozzle.cpp: In method 'JSBSim::FGNozzle(JSBSim::FGFDMExec *, JSBSim::FGConfigFile *, int =0)': FGNozzle.cpp:74: implicit declaration of function 'int JSBSim::snprintf(..)' Thanks in advance, - This

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Martin Spott
Roman Grigoriev wrote: We can simply use ARB extension - that support on ATI and NV but if you want get some boost knowing some aspects of architecture sometimes up to 30% you can simple use vendor specific extentions. I simply fear exactly such proceeding this will manouvre FG into (a)

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin Spott Roman Grigoriev wrote: We can simply use ARB extension - that support on ATI and NV but if you want get some boost knowing some aspects of architecture sometimes up to 30% you can simple use vendor specific extentions. I simply fear exactly such proceeding this will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread DesmoSS
In a message dated 6/22/2005 3:53:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you guys think? I think you should share the specifics of the UDP and Matlab version with those of us that have been toying with this unsucessfully for months... ;^) Mike

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
bass pumped wrote: Hi all, I was working on interfacing flightgear with Simulink via UDP... I'm happy to say that it worked :-) I used a matlab script file to read and write data to transfer data to flightgear. I was looking at the data that is being sent and I realized that of all the

[Flightgear-devel] gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Melchior FRANZ
The joysticks and default keyboard bindings do no longer set the gear/flap properties directly, but both use wrapper functions in controls.nas. The flaps did this since a while, but behave differently now: The bindings don't only report flaps/gear up/down, but also when the button was released.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Josh Babcock
Melchior FRANZ wrote: To make the gear only move while g/G is pressed (or the gear buttons on the js), and immediately stop movement on release, define for example this in, let's say b29.nas: Sweet. Josh ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: The joysticks and default keyboard bindings do no longer set the gear/flap properties directly, but both use wrapper functions in controls.nas. The flaps did this since a while, [...] Do I feel correctly that this is true also for the throttle ? This might explain why I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Gerard Robin
Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 16:03 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : The joysticks and default keyboard bindings do no longer set the gear/flap properties directly, but both use wrapper functions in controls.nas. The flaps did this since a while, but behave differently now: The bindings don't only

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Main Airports Conflict withGraphic Card6600GT !!!

2005-06-22 Thread Alberico, James F
-Original Message- From: Gerard ROBIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:50 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Main Airports Conflict withGraphic Card6600GT !!! The hardware is able to do it, with the old driver 6229

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Main Airports Conflict withGraphic Card6600GT !!!

2005-06-22 Thread Gerard Robin
Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 09:49 -0500, Alberico, James F a écrit : -Original Message- From: Gerard ROBIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:50 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Main Airports Conflict withGraphic

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Main Airports Conflict withGraphic Card6600GT !!!

2005-06-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Alberico, James F wrote: For what it's worth, additional info on this thread: I saw the same bad performance on an Fx 3400 with new driver. I was not able to find any properties or run options to alleviate the problem (10 fps or less, when looking at an airfield -- running with enhanced

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Main Airports Conflict withGraphic Card6600GT !!!

2005-06-22 Thread Gerard Robin
Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 10:25 -0500, Curtis L. Olson a écrit : Alberico, James F wrote: For what it's worth, additional info on this thread: I saw the same bad performance on an Fx 3400 with new driver. I was not able to find any properties or run options to alleviate the problem (10

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wrong coordinates with airport LICP?

2005-06-22 Thread Roberto Inzerillo
Hi Steve, UTM33N is indeed a coordinate system, probably the system of choice for use in Italy, most of the country being in the 33rd 6-degree wide strip of the planet, and in the northern hemisphere: I agree. WGS84 is also a coordinate system - the native system used by GPS and (unless

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal big-endian problem (still)

2005-06-22 Thread Andy Ross
Martin Spott wrote: Andy Ross wrote: If someone can set me up with ssh access to a shell account (no need to run the whole fgfs binary) on a Mac or SGI or whatnot, let me know. :) I could offer an account on an UltraSparc with GCC, As long as the compiler generates 32 bit executables

Re: [Flightgear-devel] gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Gerard Robin
Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 16:44 +0200, Gerard Robin a écrit : Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 16:03 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : The joysticks and default keyboard bindings do no longer set the gear/flap properties directly, but both use wrapper functions in controls.nas. The flaps did this

[Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Gerard Robin -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 16:44: Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 16:03 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : The default controls functions ignore this additional information and should exactly behave as before. If i need to keep the old process, what

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Gerard Robin
Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 18:44 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : * Gerard Robin -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 16:44: Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 16:03 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : The default controls functions ignore this additional information and should exactly behave as before.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Main Airports Conflict withGraphic Card6600GT !!!

2005-06-22 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Gerard Robin wrote: Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 09:49 -0500, Alberico, James F a écrit : The hardware is able to do it, with the old driver 6229 it can. But the average performance is less, because that driver does not suit to these new GPU with GPL 2. May be a bug in the last NVIDIA

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Main Airports Conflict withGraphic Card6600GT !!!

2005-06-22 Thread Gerard Robin
Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 18:50 +0200, Harald JOHNSEN a écrit : Gerard Robin wrote: Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 09:49 -0500, Alberico, James F a écrit : The hardware is able to do it, with the old driver 6229 it can. But the average performance is less, because that driver does

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread bass pumped
Throttle position is definitely included in the net_ctrls.hxx structure. What structure are you using for your matlab communication? Curt. yup!!! it is there in native_ctrls. I just thought it might be a good idea to have it in native_fdm too!! Just a thought!!!

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread bass pumped
I think you should share the specifics of the UDP and Matlab version with those of us that have been toying with this unsucessfully for months... ;^) Matlab 7 it is. I used the TCP/UDP/IP toolbox by Peter Rydesäter. You can find it at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
bass pumped wrote: Throttle position is definitely included in the net_ctrls.hxx structure. What structure are you using for your matlab communication? Curt. yup!!! it is there in native_ctrls. I just thought it might be a good idea to have it in native_fdm too!! Just a thought!!!

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread bass pumped
ok... I have a question. I want to send a commanded elevator control surface deflection instead of a stick command to flightgear from matlab. This means that I cannot use native_ctrls but instead have to use native_fdm where an option to edit this value does exist. But how will I be able to

[Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Gerard Robin -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 18:46: Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 16:44 +0200, Gerard Robin a écrit : If i need to keep the old process, what must be done on my side ? In addition to my previous question which is waiting for an answer. I thought I had answered that by underlining

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread Curtis L. Olson
bass pumped wrote: ok... I have a question. I want to send a commanded elevator control surface deflection instead of a stick command to flightgear from matlab. This means that I cannot use native_ctrls but instead have to use native_fdm where an option to edit this value does exist. But

[Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 19:44: * Gerard Robin -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 18:46: Is it any consequence when using interpolation ? No. Oh, you mean the XML interpolation. That is even less concerned ... m. ___ Flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lights was: Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Roman Grigoriev wrote: I would like to add support for them, just in the proper way. That's why it is still in my TODO box. It's just the time ... Here are a few things to consider: 1. Move the Shader class over to a new file (probably shader.cxx and shader.hxx) in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Debugging Throttle control in Native-ctrls

2005-06-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:51:01 -0500, bass wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, I'm sending joystick input through Simulink in Matlab to Flightgear using the Native-ctrls structure. I am able to control everything pretty satisfactorily, everything except the throttle... its gone

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Debugging Throttle control in Native-ctrls

2005-06-22 Thread bass pumped
..this is the correct behavior for early WWI era planes powered with rotary engines such as the Gnome, Rhone and Oberursel rotaries, these were throttled by blipping the ignition off-n-on to cut power to a desirable level. If you're _not_ doing a rotary, it's a bug. ;o) I know I'm not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Gerard Robin
Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : * Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 19:44: * Gerard Robin -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 18:46: Is it any consequence when using interpolation ? No. Oh, you mean the XML interpolation. That is even less concerned

[Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Gerard Robin -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 20:54: Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : Oh, you mean the XML interpolation. That is even less concerned ... Thank, that is i hoped to ear . I don't even know why I answered such a nonsense question. How realistic is it

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Melchior And this is by no means innovative. Andy had done this for several control functions already. Just a few were/are missing. What is new is the fact that the default bindings for gear and flaps do now also report key/button release. This is required for gear/flaps without defined

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread Drew
If I were you, I'd take a look at net_fdm.h and native_fdm.c. The data structure received by FlightGear can easily be modified to include whichever parameters you'd like to control from your Matlab sim. You just need to add code to set the appropriate FlightGear properties. It doesn't make

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Native_FDM suggestion

2005-06-22 Thread bass pumped
On 6/22/05, Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were you, I'd take a look at net_fdm.h and native_fdm.c. The data structure received by FlightGear can easily be modified to include whichever parameters you'd like to control from your Matlab sim. You just need to add code to set the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Giles Robertson
BEFORE: kbd binding--\ | property js binding---/ NOW (and since a while for flaps and many others): kbd binding\

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Gerard Robin
Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 21:21 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : * Gerard Robin -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 20:54: Le mercredi 22 juin 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Melchior FRANZ a écrit : Oh, you mean the XML interpolation. That is even less concerned ... Thank, that is i hoped to ear . I

[Flightgear-devel] Re: gear/flaps handling (b29, hurricane, ...)

2005-06-22 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Giles Robertson -- Wednesday 22 June 2005 21:58: If this were extended to all controls, then it could be used as an abstraction for key bindings, Except that only a part of the bindings is Nasal-based. which would allow us to deal with the kb localisation issues that were mentioned

[Flightgear-devel] LinuxTag ?

2005-06-22 Thread Martin Spott
Hello, will anyone - besides me - attend the LinuxTag this thursday ? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] FGFS 0.9.8 Compilation Error #2

2005-06-22 Thread flight . safety
Hi, I am trying to go to 0version 0.9.8 I typed make and I got the following error: FGNozzle.cpp: In method 'JSBSim::FGNozzle(JSBSim::FGFDMExec *, JSBSim::FGConfigFile *, int =0)': FGNozzle.cpp:74: implicit declaration of function 'int JSBSim::snprintf(..)' Does someone knows what

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS 0.9.8 Compilation Error #2

2005-06-22 Thread Andy Ross
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I typed make and I got the following error: FGNozzle.cpp: In method 'JSBSim::FGNozzle(JSBSim::FGFDMExec *, JSBSim::FGConfigFile *, int =0)': FGNozzle.cpp:74: implicit declaration of function 'int JSBSim::snprintf(..)' Does someone knows what is wrong?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FGFS 0.9.8 Compilation Error #2

2005-06-22 Thread Jon Berndt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I typed make and I got the following error: FGNozzle.cpp: In method 'JSBSim::FGNozzle(JSBSim::FGFDMExec *, JSBSim::FGConfigFile *, int =0)': FGNozzle.cpp:74: implicit declaration of function 'int JSBSim::snprintf(..)' Does someone knows what is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] LinuxTag ?

2005-06-22 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Mittwoch 22 Juni 2005 23:26, Martin Spott wrote: Hello, will anyone - besides me - attend the LinuxTag this thursday ? I will be there at Friday. I guess I will be at the stand of my company science + computing (together with HP and Novell). Greetings Mathias -- Mathias

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Shadows

2005-06-22 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Freitag 17 Juni 2005 21:02, Harald JOHNSEN wrote: I have started to add some volumetric shadows in Flightgear. It uses the standard stencil method to count shadow volume (let me know if you want an implementation without stencil, it can also be done with the alpha buffer). A few days ago I