RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Oh dear

2004-01-09 Thread Norman Vine
Roland Häder writes: On Saturday 10 January 2004 10:33 am, mat churchill wrote: Worrying times though, A Google search for publicly available maps revealed this article: http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0901/092501p1.htm hmm Big Brother Is Watching Us FWIW when someone

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Problems compiling plib

2004-01-17 Thread Norman Vine
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Norman Vine -- Saturday 17 January 2004 13:06: If you want the latest PLib just grab the nightly tarball http://plib.sourceforge.net/dist/current.tgz Does it contain the CVS infrastructure? Then it is certainly an option. Otherwise not. Currently it doesn't

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Problems compiling plib

2004-01-17 Thread Norman Vine
Melchior FRANZ writes: But what does it take to be considered a plib developer? Requesting on the PLib list to become one is a good start :-) http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=382 Cheers Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Problems compiling plib

2004-01-17 Thread Norman Vine
Christopher S Horler writes: In the last few weeks only outsiders improved plib, while official developers mostly played dead. :-P That's what happens when you don't pay... and when you pay sometimes. Wait a minute in all fairness If you go back and review the history of the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Problems compiling plib

2004-01-17 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Christopher S Horler wrote: I don't use many cvs commands, but one I use a fair bit is log. However I've never figured out how to make it only display the last e.g. 5 log entries or from a certain date... if it doesn't do it it should... I don't know if there is

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Flashing white patches

2004-01-19 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: I've committed a patch that simply checks whether 'dot' is greater than 1.0 and then prints an error message and set 'dot' to 1.0 Should do the less then case too :-) if (dot 1) { SG_LOG( SG_ASTRO, SG_WARN, Dot product = dot is

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Changing a model format

2004-01-20 Thread Norman Vine
Tim Jelliffe writes: I have a general question regarding the creation of a model. http://members.optusnet.com.au/~tjelliffe/Learjet55.jpg Nice :-) The file size is around 2 Mb, and the frame rate drops from ~20 to ~2 fps. I have also tried using the demo version of AC3D, and saving

RE: [Flightgear-devel] changing model format

2004-01-20 Thread Norman Vine
Tim Jelliffe writes: You can download a time limited version of Rational Reducer http://www.sim.no/ I had a look at this. However the demo version doesnt let you save anything! Anything similiar for linux that anyone knows of? Should find something here

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed change to Terrain Following control

2004-01-22 Thread Norman Vine
Lee Elliott writes: On Thursday 22 January 2004 22:54, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: I've been giving quite a bit of thought to look-ahead algorithms for terrain following. The most straight forward way would be to take a number of look-ahead samples each frame, and

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Proposed change to Terrain Following control

2004-01-23 Thread Norman Vine
Lee Elliott writes: On Friday 23 January 2004 00:34, Norman Vine wrote: Lee Elliott writes: I've been giving quite a bit of thought to look-ahead algorithms for terrain following. I thnk the fastest way todo this will be to use the Graphics hardware. i.e. render only

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Mars Rover

2004-01-24 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: FYI there are some neat images and movies posted today on the Mars Rover web site: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html There is also a new and recent update on the condition of Spirit. FYI http://www.lyle.org/mars/ Easy access to all images released by

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Clouds Question

2004-01-25 Thread Norman Vine
Frederic Bouvier writes: Christopher S Horler wrote: I've just spent the last hour looking for a function in the clouds3d source, I didn't find it. The 3d cloud is made from cloud particles, each instance of these particles has a position set with SetPosition(). These look like

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Mars Rover

2004-01-25 Thread Norman Vine
David Culp writes: Thanks, I've been trying to find more sources of Rover news. The usual sources have been pretty bad (except CSPAN coverage of the Rover team's press meetings). comprehensive links page http://www.marsmissionlinks.com/ All released imagery pseudo true color images and

RE: [Flightgear-devel] XGL

2004-01-26 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Since Blender can use Python scripts for output (it exposes its internal data structures to Python), a Blender reader/writer should be no harder to write than a plib reader/writer. Probably easier :-) Norman ___

RE: [Flightgear-devel] XGL

2004-01-26 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Norman Vine wrote: David Megginson writes: Since Blender can use Python scripts for output (it exposes its internal data structures to Python), a Blender reader/writer should be no harder to write than a plib reader/writer. Probably easier :-) It depends

RE: [Flightgear-devel] XGL

2004-01-26 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Erik Hofman wrote: You need version 2.x.x of Python just after you have downloaded version 1.x.y stable because it was needed by some other package. I assume you tried finding an updated version of this 'package' or running your package that required 1.5 with

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Ventura publisher (really old)

2004-01-28 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: I have some really old, as in ancient ventura publishing files that I'd be interesting at cracking open and at least extracting out the important stuff in order to convert to some more modern tool. I'm seeing extensions like .WP and .WS which is probably text in

RE: Brasilian members: are you infected? (was Re: [Flightgear-devel]test)

2004-01-31 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Thanks for checking. For anyone else who wants the check the host, the best thing to do is send yourself an e-mail message then view the full headers (Outlook probably has a menu item for that) -- reading e-mail headers when using OutLook

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot update.

2004-01-31 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:40 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot update. Curtis L. Olson Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 1:32 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot

RE: [Flightgear-devel] CVS Compile

2004-02-01 Thread Norman Vine
Roy Vegard Ovesen writes: I get this error when compiling src/Autopilot/route_mgr.cxx: /usr/include/c++/3.2/limits:942:22: macro min requires 2 arguments, but only 1 given In file included from /usr/include/c++/3.2/bits/locale_facets.tcc:43, sigh There is a conflict between windows.h

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Faster responsiveness on the turn indicator

2004-02-05 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: No, not more respinsive than possible, but I thought that the damping in FlightGear _and_ in real world was only for display purposes. So maybe there would be a possiblility to get the signal before it was damped. After reading the

[Flightgear-devel] Aperiodic Texture Mapping

2004-02-05 Thread Norman Vine
Someone interested in Eye Candy might be able to use this technique http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/people/stam/reality/Research/pdf/R046.pdf to make much nicer Water and Cloud textures for FGFS Cheers Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] xmlauto.cxx for ils following

2004-02-07 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: What we need is something that looks ahead and makes adjustments based on future error in order to avoid overruns due to the momentum of the aircraft. http://baron.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2003-July/018510.html http://autopilot.sourceforge.net/kalman.html

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] xmlauto.cxx for ils following

2004-02-07 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: What we need is something that looks ahead and makes adjustments based on future error in order to avoid overruns due to the momentum of the aircraft. this is one approach using the Kalman filter http://icat-server.mit.edu/Library/Download/102_ICAT-99-5.pdf

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] xmlauto.cxx for ils following

2004-02-07 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Norman Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim Wilson writes: What we need is something that looks ahead and makes adjustments based on future error in order to avoid overruns due to the momentum of the aircraft. this is one approach using

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] xmlauto.cxx for ils following

2004-02-08 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: There's no doubt in my mind that PID's will do the job, even for hovering helicopters. I'm just looking to tweak them a bit. My guess is that at some point Kalman filters with revolutionize FlightGear's simulated control systems very much like they have revolutionized

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] xmlauto.cxx for ils following

2004-02-08 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Norman Vine wrote: My guess is that at some point Kalman filters with revolutionize FlightGear's simulated control systems very much like they have revolutionized control systems in the 'modern' world :-) Kalman filters are generally for filtering noisy

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RAM disk / Unix

2004-02-10 Thread Norman Vine
Jon S Berndt writes: Is anyone aware of a RAM disk utility or feature under Unix (specifically, IRIX)? When running a simulation on IRIX we are finding that the disk access is taking too much time at various phase boundaries. It is thought that the use of a RAM disk might help. On

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-13 Thread Norman Vine
Vivian Meazza writes: I remain disconcerted that the visual model appears to roll through 180 degs vertically on the up and down legs of a loop when in chase or helicopter view. Not the end of the world, but lacking realism. Yes this is a short coming of the math method used. Note that the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-13 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Norman Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Put simply the matrix math used supports a 'restrained' cylindrical viewer That is a problem, but it isn't the issue here. There is a singularity in the math model which in effect snaps the orientation of the model 180* when

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-13 Thread Norman Vine
Russell Suter writes: I don't think that's what he means. I took him to mean that the visual model origin is translated to the CG every frame. If that's what you mean, you really don't want to do that. That's a matrix transform for every vertex in the model. This is boils down to

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-13 Thread Norman Vine
Russell Suter writes: Jon S Berndt wrote: I don't see any advantage to your approach. By your responses, you give me no indication that you even understand what I'm saying. I seem to be alone in my dissent anyway... What you are planning will work just fine. Russell You are not

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Eye candy

2004-02-14 Thread Norman Vine
Lee Elliott writes: On Friday 13 February 2004 22:27, Jon S Berndt wrote: Any chance of modeling wingtip vortices (when CL is high enough above some threshhold) and rocket engine exhaust? Another possiblity would be some sort of particle object handling where temporary objects could

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-14 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Norman Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Please try to configure your mailer to not quote raw e-mail addresses in your replies. Let's not make the spam harvesters' life any easier... Russell Suter writes: By your responses, you give me no indication that you even

RE: [Flightgear-devel] XML SCripting

2004-02-14 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Tony Peden wrote: PS. I'm just wondering if you have any thoughts on my earlier question, i.e. whether what's being patented has to be something non-obvious? Amazon: One-click ordering. I think the answer is no. Even if it's something that has to be

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-14 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Norman Vine wrote: I certainly hope you are not planning on publishing the 'position' as reported by the FDM for things like collision detection and related instrumentation such as a radar display with out some kind of 'adjustment' No-digging-necessary'ly-yr's

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-14 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Norman Vine said: Thanks for making the mailer fix :-) I certainly hope you are not planning on publishing the 'position' as reported by the FDM for things like collision detection and related instrumentation such as a radar display with out some kind of 'adjustment

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-14 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Russell Suter said: I suspect these properties are applied anyway -- even if they are zero. I don't know if these are applied per frame or if they are applied once to the model. In the latter case, you can ride the toll road all day and only have to pay the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aerodynamic centre and 3D models

2004-02-14 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine wrote: Jim Wilson writes: Exactly. From sgLoad3DModel (in SimGear/simgear/scene/model.cxx): Yup, something like that is how it's supposed to work but ... I remember your asking about how to set this up and that you didn't like the axis angle form that we were using

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Portable unlink() / rmdir()

2004-02-14 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Honest, I'm not writing a windows virus here. :-) I am working on an fltk app to make it easier to install / uninstall 10x10 .tar.gz scenery chunks. I have the install part mostly working (via libtar / libz) so now I am looking at uninstalling. For unix I can

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Portable unlink() / rmdir()

2004-02-15 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: I forgot to point out the necessay nonstandard Windows headers though #include io.h _unlink( const char * ) #include direct.h _rmdir( const char * ) Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waves white flag

2004-02-15 Thread Norman Vine
Mathias Fröhlich wwrites: On Sonntag, 15. Februar 2004 10:49, Erik Hofman wrote: Jon Berndt wrote: I give up. Sort of. I hope you don't! No need to IMHO. I think we now have an excellent solution. Could someone file a patent request for this? There are some gotcha's involved which

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waves white flag

2004-02-15 Thread Norman Vine
Mathias Fröhlich writes: Norman Vine wrote: Also I can not find in the code the mechanism that will rotate the AirCraft about any point other then the point returned by Object.getBSphere()-getCenter() as adjusted by the translation WRT the VRP which appears to be set at Model load time

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waves white flag

2004-02-15 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: Could this be solved if the camera viewpoint looked at the CG instead of the VRP? What is being done, now? The camera viewpoint need not necessarily be either or any fixed point i.e. the camera should be free to look around :-) What is required is that the 'center of

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waves white flag

2004-02-15 Thread Norman Vine
Mathias Fröhlich writes: What you need to report to flightgear is the orientation and position of the visual reference frame relative to the earth fixed frame (lat/lon/h + angles). Agreed And all required 'corrections' that the model does not rotate around the nose but around the dynamic

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waves white flag

2004-02-15 Thread Norman Vine
Russell Suter writes: The IG shouldn't be used to position the 3D model. If it being used, that's wrong. By IG I am assuming you mean Image Generator, and you have to understand how the things are drawn or else you are bound to get surprised at least occassionally :-) Cheers Norman

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waves white flag

2004-02-15 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Norman Vine said: Here is where I get confused and ... I am probably missing the obvious but See 3. Ummm...think about how rotation in 3D space really works for a minute. Easier to just wait for all this to get coded up and then see it live on the monitor

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waves white flag

2004-02-15 Thread Norman Vine
Russell Suter writes: Norman Vine wrote: Simply stated the problem is that inorder to rotate an object about an arbritrary point you *must* do the equivalaent of the following 1) translate object so that it's 'rotation point' is at the 'point of rotation' 2) rotate the object 3

RE: [Flightgear-devel] flight path heading

2004-02-16 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: David Megginson said: Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: The GPS instrument does this in the same way as you suggest (as do most real gps devices), take a look at the gps.cxx source file to see the details. I believe the actual formula can be found someplace in

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Norman Vine
Hmm... DLists use to work... Try the untested patch below Also looking at leaf.cxx there appears that a duplicate statement has snuck in norman $ cvs diff obj.cxx Index: obj.cxx === RCS file:

RE: [Flightgear-devel] flight path heading

2004-02-17 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Probably best to do a running average of the FDM value too so as to 'smooth' it a little Hmmm...yeah that is pretty heavy. Actually the geodetic method being used isn't very smooth either. In fact I would guess that since the lon/lat is the direct result of the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: floorf in panel.cxx

2004-02-22 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: http://www.dinkumware.com/conform_c.html Hmm.. that document is not really upto date at least with respect to MingW32 as there are many changes well over a year old that correct some of the 'deficiencies' reported note some of the things reported still hold though

RE: [Flightgear-devel] GPS

2004-02-22 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Jim Wilson wrote: I wonder if this could be incorporated (or interfaced) to the current waypoint management code. And, for the pilots on the list, do some GPS units also calculate elevations to plug in for VNAV operation, fuel estimation, etc? Every GPS I've

RE: [Flightgear-devel] GPS

2004-02-23 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Norman Vine wrote: This is because GPS positioning is *NOT* acurate with out a ground based signal to augment it ! It's much better than it used to be before they turned off selective availability. Yes this makes a difference but DGPS or WAAS is *MUCH

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Live Weather!

2004-02-23 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: David Megginson wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Sounds good, implement first, optimize later. The standard Unix developer's rules (from memory): 1. Make it work. 2. Make it right. 3. Make it efficient. I've worked as a consultant on too many projects where

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Airportsmetar.dat.gz, NONE, 1.1

2004-02-23 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: A simple list of id's of metar stations. We can use this list to mark which airports have corresponding metar data so we don't flood the noaa site with bogus queries. It might be a good idea actually to

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Airportsmetar.dat.gz, NONE, 1.1

2004-02-23 Thread Norman Vine
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Curtis L. Olson -- Monday 23 February 2004 18:27: Any one know where we can get current and definitive information? Here is a list of weather stations with ICAO ids. But it's not obvious if all of these do also provide metar reports:

RE: [Flightgear-devel] GPS

2004-02-23 Thread Norman Vine
Lee Elliott writes: On Monday 23 February 2004 14:16, Norman Vine wrote: What I was pointing out is that elevation from GPS even DGPS is by it's physical nature mathematically not as accurate as the horizontal position. One of the things about GPS units is that the accuracy depends

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Stepping and other inquisitions

2004-02-26 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Erik Hofman wrote: Too often companies don't really understand the power of Freeware/Open-Source software. If they don;t like the way the netFDM structure is maintained it is easy to create a network protocol for FlightGear that suits their needs. Please

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 2D EFIS Instrument

2004-02-27 Thread Norman Vine
Roy Vegard Ovesen writes: I'm making an EFIS instrument, but I'm having trouble with a long pitchladder texture. It's a long texture that contain the entire pitchladder from -90 to 90 degrees. My problem is that it enxtends beyond the instrument:

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 2D EFIS Instrument

2004-02-27 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: Basically you would move the texture offsets rather than the surface itself. Is this possible with 2D instruments too? Sure it is jsut OpenGL underneath I don't think so. About everybody want the 2D instruments gone ... There will

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 2D EFIS Instrument

2004-02-27 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Norman Vine wrote: I don't think so. About everybody want the 2D instruments gone ... There will always be a place for a 2D instrument panels For Instructor panels and as the texture for flat 3D panels No need the 2D panel code for both of them. I'm not sure why

[Flightgear-devel] Re: 2D EFIS Instrument

2004-02-28 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Fixing #2 (mouse actions) will be a bit harder -- it's quite doable in plib (PrettyPoly did it), but no one has been able to give me any practical information on how to accomplish it, besides pointing me to entirely unhelpful code fragments in plib and ppe.

[Flightgear-devel] FW: ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.7.0 Download

2004-03-06 Thread Norman Vine
I noticed that these have been recently updated http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Displaying FlightGear on a Plasma Display

2004-03-08 Thread Norman Vine
Jonathan Polley writes: Plasma TVs tend to be 1280x1024 at a 16:9 aspect ratio, rather than the 4:3 (or 1:1) that it would normally expect. I am assuming that I can just adjust the field of view, but will that only adjust the horizontal field or will it adjust the vertical as well?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Declarations and compilers

2004-03-08 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: Are there any reasons to choose one method over the other in the declaration of local variables that are used each frame? Here are some examples. Note that this hypothetical routine would be called each pass through the EOM (for example): following use local

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: 3D Text Issues

2004-03-11 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Andy Ross wrote: Honestly, I think you might be fooling yourself on the 2D/3D performance issues. There's no secret sauce in ssg that makes it faster; my guess is that the existing 3D cockpits are faster than the 2D ones because they use fewer and smaller

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: 3D Text Issues

2004-03-11 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: Norman Vine wrote: My not so WAG is that the newer code draws MUCH less then the old approach. i.e. All of the 2D Panel was drawn as was all of the scenery that it obscured. In the new approach SSG is clipping those instruments not seen and the occluded

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Visualising forces

2004-03-15 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Currently it is possible to control all aspects of the camera position and angle through the property tree (in the /sim/current-view path), I see 'heading' and 'pitch' but not 'roll'. I guess I must be missing something ? Best Norman

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Visualising forces

2004-03-15 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Norman Vine said: Jim Wilson writes: Currently it is possible to control all aspects of the camera position and angle through the property tree (in the /sim/current-view path), I see 'heading' and 'pitch' but not 'roll'. I guess I must be missing

RE: [Flightgear-devel] gcc problems

2004-03-15 Thread Norman Vine
Orthonormalize writes: does anyone know why i can't compile the following program? for some reason gcc doesn't like plib/ul.h. $ cat test.c #include plib/ul.h int main() { return 1; } $ gcc -I/cygdrive/c/cygwin/usr/include test.c PLib is a c++ library and gcc doesn't know that,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS: SimGear/simgear/scene/sky/clouds3dglut_shapes.c, 1.1, 1.2 glut_shapes.h, 1.2, 1.3

2004-03-16 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Frederic BOUVIER wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Modified Files: glut_shapes.c glut_shapes.h Log Message: Further refinement of the Cygwin problem as suggested by Frederic. Well, I had the impression that the code was originally good but the configure step was

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Simgear-cvslogs]CVS: SimGear/simgear/scene/sky/clouds3dglut_shapes.c, 1.1, 1.2 glut_shapes.h, 1.2, 1.3

2004-03-16 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine wrote: so something like #if defined(__CYGWIN__) # !defined(USING_X) #define WIN32 #endif #if defined(WIN32) # MINGW and MSC predefine WIN32 # include windows.h #endif HTH Arrgh ... of course I meant something like #if defined(__CYGWIN__) /* !defined(USING_X

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Visualising forces

2004-03-16 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Norman Vine said: Jim Wilson writes: snip Oops...that is a bug. The interface is there, at least partly...something is missing though. I think with the mouse and keyboard manipulation we're only using two of the axes which might explain why that one snuck

RE: [Flightgear-devel]Re: [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS: SimGear/simgear/scene/sky/clouds3dglut_shapes.c, 1.1, 1.2 glut_shapes.h, 1.2, 1.3

2004-03-16 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Norman Vine wrote: This is still wrong windows.h needs to be included *before* gl.h inorder for the the WINDOWS GL extensions and not the GLX extensions to be recognized How do you explain that the extensions code does work this way. If it works

RE: [Flightgear-devel]Re: [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS: SimGear/simgear/scene/sky/clouds3dglut_shapes.c, 1.1, 1.2 glut_shapes.h, 1.2, 1.3

2004-03-16 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Norman Vine wrote: If it works then it is getting WIN32 predefined from someplace other then the compiler itself which will break a Cygwin compilation for GLX X windows OpenGL which is a separate issue AFAIK the *only* Windows compiler that does not #define

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: base package aircraft and aliases

2004-03-17 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: 2. We have a *lot* of aircraft in the base package. I suggest we limit the base package to 2 or 3 aircraft at most IMHO better if this is only 1 aircraft though and have a supplemental aircraft package(s) for the rest Note I am concerned about the size of the

[Flightgear-devel] Cygwin FlightFear configure.ac

2004-03-17 Thread Norman Vine
HTH Norman $ cvs diff -u configure.ac Index: configure.ac === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/configure.ac,v retrieving revision 1.57 diff -u -r1.57 configure.ac --- a/configure.ac 16 Mar 2004 20:19:07 - 1.57

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cygwin Simgear issues

2004-03-18 Thread Norman Vine
Jonathan Polley writes: That seemed to fix my problem. Off to finish the build. Great :-) Attached find complete file for easier inclusion into the CVS Cheers Norman On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 11:30AM, Norman Vine wrote: $ cvs diff -u extensions.hxx 21 | tee diffs

RE: [Flightgear-devel] How to save glbuffer as jpeg

2004-03-18 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Seamus Thomas Carroll wrote: Does anyone know of a way to save the glbuffer as a jpeg? Currently the images are saved as a ppm but this requires a lot of space. A hint on what library to use might be enough for me to figure out the rest. There is already a

[Flightgear-devel] RE: [Plib-devel] new Release

2004-03-18 Thread Norman Vine
Steve Baker writes: Fay John F Contr AAC/WMG wrote: Absolutely! My comments were based on what I downloaded this morning as last night's tarball ... but I will take your word for it that they are fixed. The only thing I'm not sure about is the MacOSX joystick code. But if that's

[Flightgear-devel] FW: [Plib-users] ANNOUNCING PLIB Version 1.8.0

2004-03-20 Thread Norman Vine
FYI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Baker Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 1:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Plib-users] ANNOUNCING PLIB Version 1.8.0 ANNOUNCINGE PLIB Version 1.8.0

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain model holes

2004-03-23 Thread Norman Vine
Athanasios Mantes writes: Martin Spott wrote: Martin Dressler wrote: So I am asking for a way, or technique so as when rendering an object after another, to avoid rendering the part of the object that is vertically (same x,z coords) covered by the previous object, so as to avoid

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Clouds artefacts

2004-03-24 Thread Norman Vine
Frederic BOUVIER writes: Vivian Meazza wrote: Frederic BOUVIER wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: So to make it short, it seems to work ok. What this change does not address yet is the fact that we can see the ground over overcast layer through the exhaust beam of the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Official 0.9.4 release???

2004-03-24 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: I'm seeing a last minute flurry of people trying to get final model tweaks into the base package (which is good--great work guys![1]), but haven't heard any other complaints about the pre2 release. Are we getting pretty close to making this release official so we

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: gl-info suffers from undefined references

2004-03-24 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Alex Perry wrote: [...] /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.3/../../../libglut.so: undefined reference to `glXChannelRectSGIX' [...] Never mind. It looks like Debian Testing has managed to temporarily have insufficient dependency constraints. It is currently

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Official 0.9.4 release???

2004-03-24 Thread Norman Vine
Arnt Karlsen writes: Norman Vine wrote: Please configure your email program so as not to include email addresses in replies. AFAIK a PLIB maintenance release is imminent ..plib-1.8.2? Yes Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Pre-Releases and Releases

2004-03-27 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Jon Berndt said: David Megginson wrote: I agree with Curt. There are two basic strategies for releasing: 2. Release often, testing every release only lightly. I think that #2 works better for most cases One way of looking at it is this: The goal isn't

RE: [Flightgear-devel] mouse.cxx: CURSOR_TWEAKS??

2004-03-27 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Does anyone understand what is going on in src/Input/mouse.cxx AFAIK mouse.cxx is not in the current CVS Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] mouse.cxx: CURSOR_TWEAKS??

2004-03-27 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Does anyone understand what is going on in src/Input/mouse.cxx with the {X|WIN32}_CURSOR_TWEAKS preprocessor defines? I'm having a hard time figuring this out. Right now, it looks like the windows and X11 builds actually have different/incompatible behavior for the mouse

RE: [Flightgear-devel] De-glutification, stage one

2004-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: An outsider's view: Wouldn't it make sense to roll all these nifty hacks into PLIB so everyone can make use of them or is PLIB too restricted to make this a realistic vision ? AFAIK - PLIB is already OS and Windowing system agnostic If it wasn't Andy wouldn't have been

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Application recommendations solicited

2004-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
Jon S Berndt writes: Two general application / programming / automation questions: 1) Image conversion Is ayone aware of a program that does on-the-fly image conversion that will run under Cygwin from the command line? There are many :-) ImageMagick is available via the Cygwin setup

RE: [Flightgear-devel] De-glutification, stage one

2004-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: OK, I've just commited the hard part of deglutification. All glut dependencies in the source tree are now isolated in Main/fg_os.cxx. This file (header attached) defines a really tiny wrapper API around the subset of glut we actually use. Think of it as yet another OS

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Application recommendations solicited

2004-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
Jon Berndt writes: ImageMagick works great. I batch-converted my .pcd files to .png. It's got lots of features. Very nice application. Is this the one you used to do the lyle.org Mars stuff? both of these sites are automated by just a few lines of Python http://www.lyle.org/mars/

RE: [Flightgear-devel] De-glutification, stage one

2004-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: Andy Ross wrote: Norman Vine wrote: I see that you removed gamemode support :-( This means that Windows users only have 'slow' windowed mode available now. :-( Is game mode support actually configurable? I looked around, and couldn't find

RE: [Flightgear-devel] De-glutification, stage one

2004-04-01 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine wrote: FYI the snippet below which I have posted before seems to work nicely for toggling btween an un-decorated fullscreen window and a decorated one and should be easy enough to port to the 'new' OS methodology untested but I think this will work as an alternative to game-mode

[Flightgear-devel] FW: [osg-user]Handling whole earth databases

2004-04-02 Thread Norman Vine
FYI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Osfield Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [osg-user]Handling whole earth databases Hi All, As I write this, my other machine is churning away

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Fullscreen to desktop switching?

2004-04-04 Thread Norman Vine
Erik Hofman writes: Oliver C. wrote: The Alt+Tab key kombination is also generally used for Window Manager/Desktop Environment specific things. KDE uses Alt+Tab for example to switch beween Applications, but you can't switch the Application from a fullscreen mode into a real Desktop

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Lunar flight

2004-04-05 Thread Norman Vine
Jon S Berndt writes: 1) Is anyone aware of a database of the lunar surface exists that FlightGear could use? Clementine perhaps ? http://pds-geosciences.wustl.edu/missions/clementine/gravtopo.html Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

RE: [Flightgear-devel] SDL early access implementation

2004-04-06 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: Is SDL something we want to commit to? FWIW - I don't see what this gets us but . since we are now agnostic as pertains to the lowlevel OpenGL initialization routines I don't see why the choice of OpenGL toolkit used couldn't just be an option i.e. since all of the

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