Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-11 Thread James A. Treacy
On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 04:45:16PM -0600, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Wow ... when it broke, it broke ... interesting test. I wonder if the 'rate' of flex is important, not just the amount of flex? They were bending the wing pretty slowly ... They would run the test slowly for a number of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-11 Thread C. Hotchkiss
Jon S. Berndt wrote: Also, flex wings are surprisingly robust, even slow beginner nice-weather-only gliders are specified to +6 gs. IIRC the Vari-EZ composite is spec'ed at +12 -6 and Ruttan refuses to divulge the actual limits. (Not that you're going to be awake after pulling +12

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-09 Thread Rick Ansell
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:57:06 -0600, Jon S. Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT??? Design maneuvering speed is Va and is simply and _only_ Va = Vs * sqrt(g load limit) You can be sure that an aircraft manufacturer would have a whole lot of patents if they had a method to recognize all the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-09 Thread Jon S. Berndt
The problem with Neural Nets, as I understand it, is that they are regarded as non-predicatable. The only way to check that they perform correctly in all circumstances is to check all circumstances. The logic is effectively non-traceable (or regarded as such). I don't know, but there's a

[Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Cameron Moore
Safety board says pilots can cause tail fin to break off http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/08/ntsb.flight587/index.html IANAPNAE, but this sounds like they're blaming the pilot for a weak tail fin. Thought it was interesting... (IANAPOAAE: I Am Not A Pilot Nor An Engineer) -- Cameron Moore [

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Andy Ross
Cameron Moore wrote: Safety board says pilots can cause tail fin to break off http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/08/ntsb.flight587/index.html IANAPNAE, but this sounds like they're blaming the pilot for a weak tail fin. Thought it was interesting... There's politics at work here

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Tony Peden
On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 15:06, Andy Ross wrote: Cameron Moore wrote: Safety board says pilots can cause tail fin to break off http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/08/ntsb.flight587/index.html IANAPNAE, but this sounds like they're blaming the pilot for a weak tail fin. Thought it was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread jsb
There's politics at work here somewhere. The actual statement by the NTSB was actually fairly straightforward and plausible. But the fact that it was made at a podium in front of a room full of reporters pretty much guaranteed that the pilot error angle would be played up. Weird.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread jsb
What this doesn't address is why the tail of this particular airliner fell off while it was travelling at a comparatively modest speed. Anything over 250 kts would have been illegal at that altitude and would have been REALLY played up by the media. But the point is valid; the NTSB quizzed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Rick Ansell
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:46:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What this doesn't address is why the tail of this particular airliner fell off while it was travelling at a comparatively modest speed. Anything over 250 kts would have been illegal at that altitude and would have been REALLY played

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Wrong. It was an A320 where the display pilot (some time after 'first flight') switched off major protective modes of the FCS. He did this to show that he could fly the A320 'party trick' of a low, slow, high alpha pass with safety (due to FCS protection) manually. He couldn't Here is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Alex Perry
The statement in question is this: Many pilots have not been made aware that full rudder inputs, under certain conditions, can jeopardize the integrity of the vertical tail fin and that in some airline modes, rudder deflections can be achieved with relatively small pedal

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Rick Ansell
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:13:31 -0600, Jon S. Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong. It was an A320 where the display pilot (some time after 'first flight') switched off major protective modes of the FCS. He did this to show that he could fly the A320 'party trick' of a low, slow, high alpha