[Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X
[Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X Lee Elliott leee at spatial.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 19 22:00:29 CDT 2005 Previous message: [Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Thursday 20 Oct 2005 03:31, Ima Sudonim wrote: On Thursday 20 Oct 2005 01:10, Ima Sudonim wrote: Hi, Someone else had mentioned something similar recently, but I can't find the post in flightgear-devel. I noticed that with latest CVS on mac os x, I can scroll thru views (forward) with 'v' as many times as I like, but that 'V' (reverse) only works 1-3 times until I reach the view that has a name ending in 'w/o yaw'. 'V' will no longer work, until I move forward in the views with 'v' at least once. Then the 'V' cycle works (or fails to work) as mentioned above. Thanks! Ima Have you found this with several different aircraft or have you only tried a single type so far? If it only happens with a specific aircraft, which one is it? LeeE I was using the default cessna (didn't give --aircraft= option) (it's the chase view w/o yaw option, where the problem occurs in all instances with reverse view). DOES happen with default cessna, sopwithCamel, spitfireIIa, 747-100, ufo, Citation-II, A380, shuttle (gave a 'failed to load aircraft from, falling back to glider.ac' message, ornithopter (BTW, the ornithopter is already moving forward when fg starts, unlike the other airplane models), bell206 DOESN'T happen with A-10cl (my personal favorite) 8-) or A-10fl (there is no chase view w/o yaw option) Hope this helps! Thanks! Ima Heh ;) I don't mind top or bottom replies but sticking them in the middle throws me a bit. Anyway... I can't find any problems here - cvs a day or two old - I tried just calling fgfs with no params, to get the C-172, and could scroll backwards and forwards through the views ok. Cycled forward to chase w/o yaw, cycled backwards from it - no problems. Then tried both the A-10s, because you mention that they had no chase view w/o view and had no problems there either, including the chase view w/o yaw. Do you get a 'Drop View' with the A-10s? The Drop view should be the 'last' view on the A-10s, before you end up back in the Cockpit and should come after the chase view w/o yaw. Do you get both the chase view w/o yaw and drop view on the A-10s? LeeE Lee, thank you for your interest and suggestions... Sorry, I tend to put the answer right by the question, less chance of forgetting to answer something... 8-( There is NO chase view on my A10s -- cockpit view, helicopter view, chase view above, chase view, tower view, tower view look from, drop view and then back to cockpit view -- NO chase view w/o yaw. I am using latest cvs. Calling flightgear with no --aircraft param, I see the problem: the views are -- cockpit view, helicopter view, chase view above, chase view, tower view, tower view look from, chase view wo yaw, THEN helicopter view (again, note NOT cockpit view), but if I reverse from the 2nd helicopter view, I DO get cockpit view as I would have expected, then backing up again, the screen is labled chase view wo yaw, but is really just cockpit view. Except for the first time, there is NO cockpit view moving forward with 'v', moving backward, I see cockpit view where it belongs, but 'V' stops working with a screen labelled chase view wo yaw, but that looks like cockpit view. Using --aircraft=Citation-II, I get the following views: cockpit view, helicopter view, chase view above, chase view, tower view, tower view look from, chase view wo yaw, THEN helicopter view (again, note NOT cockpit view), but if I reverse from the 2nd helicopter view, I DO get cockpit view as I would have expected, then backing up again, the screen is labled chase view wo yaw, but is really just cockpit view. Except for the first time, there is NO cockpit view moving forward with 'v', moving backward, I see cockpit view where it belongs, but 'V' stops working with a screen labelled chase view wo yaw, but that looks like cockpit view. In other words, going forward with 'v', the views are: CV, HV, CVA, CV, TV, TVLF, CVWOY, HV, CVA, CV, TV, TVLF, CVWOY, HV, CVA, CV, etc. going back with 'V' on a broken aircraft here, I'd get: CVA, HV, CVWOY (stuck at this point and 'V' doesn't work anymore until I move forward with 'v' first) The a-10s don't have CVWOY, cycling backwards or forwards, I get: CV, HV, CVA, CV, TV, TVLF, DV, CV, HV, CVA, CV, TV, TVLF, DV, CV, HV, CVA, CV, etc. So, the broken aircraft have chase view wo yaw instead of drop view and don't display the 2nd or more cockpit views going forward (after CVWOY and before helicopter view) with 'v', but will display cockpit view with 'V' (backwards), but 'V' stops working when you get to the CVWAY view, until you move
[Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X, fixed (somewhat)
If I trash my preferences.xml file and go back to the default, I now get a view cycle of: cockpit view, helicopter view, chase view, tower view, tower view look from, chase view wo yaw 'v' and 'V' both work fine with the Citation-II and the default aircraft. The only difference between the two preferences files is the following diff: diff preferences.xml preferences.xml.IMA 187a188,209 nameChase View Above/name typelookat/type config from-model type=boolfalse/from-model from-model-idx type=int0/from-model-idx eye-lat-deg-path/position/latitude-deg/eye-lat-deg-path eye-lon-deg-path/position/longitude-deg/eye-lon-deg-path eye-alt-ft-path/position/altitude-ft/eye-alt-ft-path eye-heading-deg-path/orientation/heading-deg/eye-heading- deg-path at-model type=booltrue/at-model at-model-idx type=int0/at-model-idx ground-level-nearplane-m type=double0.5f/ground-level- nearplane-m x-offset-m type=double4400/x-offset-m y-offset-m type=double0/y-offset-m z-offset-m type=double-1/z-offset-m /config /view view I don't know why it makes a difference, but it does. Darn, I really liked that Chase View Above 8-( Could anyone suggest a new Chase View Above that doesn't break the view cycle via the keyboard? I find it's good for orienting myself while flying... Sorry for the false alarm. If changing views via 'v' or 'V' stop working, please check your views in data/preferences.xml! Thanks again! Ima [Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X Lee Elliott leee at spatial.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 19 22:00:29 CDT 2005 Previous message: [Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Thursday 20 Oct 2005 03:31, Ima Sudonim wrote: On Thursday 20 Oct 2005 01:10, Ima Sudonim wrote: Hi, Someone else had mentioned something similar recently, but I can't find the post in flightgear-devel. I noticed that with latest CVS on mac os x, I can scroll thru views (forward) with 'v' as many times as I like, but that 'V' (reverse) only works 1-3 times until I reach the view that has a name ending in 'w/o yaw'. 'V' will no longer work, until I move forward in the views with 'v' at least once. Then the 'V' cycle works (or fails to work) as mentioned above. Thanks! Ima Have you found this with several different aircraft or have you only tried a single type so far? If it only happens with a specific aircraft, which one is it? LeeE I was using the default cessna (didn't give --aircraft= option) (it's the chase view w/o yaw option, where the problem occurs in all instances with reverse view). DOES happen with default cessna, sopwithCamel, spitfireIIa, 747-100, ufo, Citation-II, A380, shuttle (gave a 'failed to load aircraft from, falling back to glider.ac' message, ornithopter (BTW, the ornithopter is already moving forward when fg starts, unlike the other airplane models), bell206 DOESN'T happen with A-10cl (my personal favorite) 8-) or A-10fl (there is no chase view w/o yaw option) Hope this helps! Thanks! Ima Heh ;) I don't mind top or bottom replies but sticking them in the middle throws me a bit. Anyway... I can't find any problems here - cvs a day or two old - I tried just calling fgfs with no params, to get the C-172, and could scroll backwards and forwards through the views ok. Cycled forward to chase w/o yaw, cycled backwards from it - no problems. Then tried both the A-10s, because you mention that they had no chase view w/o view and had no problems there either, including the chase view w/o yaw. Do you get a 'Drop View' with the A-10s? The Drop view should be the 'last' view on the A-10s, before you end up back in the Cockpit and should come after the chase view w/o yaw. Do you get both the chase view w/o yaw and drop view on the A-10s? LeeE Lee, thank you for your interest and suggestions... Sorry, I tend to put the answer right by the question, less chance of forgetting to answer something... 8-( There is NO chase view on my A10s -- cockpit view, helicopter view, chase view above, chase view, tower view, tower view look from, drop view and then back to cockpit view -- NO chase view w/o yaw. I am using latest cvs. Calling flightgear with no --aircraft param, I see the problem: the views are -- cockpit view, helicopter view, chase view above, chase view, tower view, tower view look from, chase view wo yaw, THEN helicopter view (again, note NOT cockpit view), but if I reverse from the 2nd helicopter view, I DO get cockpit view as I would have expected, then backing up again, the screen is labled chase view wo yaw, but is really just cockpit view. Except for the first time, there is NO cockpit view moving forward with 'v
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X
Ima Sudonim wrote: I noticed that with latest CVS on mac os x, I can scroll thru views (forward) with 'v' as many times as I like, but that 'V' (reverse) only works 1-3 times until I reach the view that has a name ending in 'w/o yaw'. 'V' will no longer work, until I move forward in the views with 'v' at least once. Then the 'V' cycle works (or fails to work) as mentioned above. Hrm... it works for me on linux. Are any other keys affected? Specifically, check the operation of other shifted keys. If I had to guess what would cause something like this, it would be a keymap bug in the OS X plib or glut port... Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X, fixed
[ Unrelated nit: who's mail client keeps breaking this thread? ] Ima Sudonim wrote: The actual problem was my error: the number-views was one less than the actual number of views. Sorry to waste bandwidth on a user error... OK, then the real symptom here is an interaction with the Nasal view management code, which doesn't read number-views at all, but instead loops through the actual property children of the view node. I agree with Melchior: what is this thing doing there? Who reads it, and why do we need it? Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X
Hi, Someone else had mentioned something similar recently, but I can't find the post in flightgear-devel. I noticed that with latest CVS on mac os x, I can scroll thru views (forward) with 'v' as many times as I like, but that 'V' (reverse) only works 1-3 times until I reach the view that has a name ending in 'w/o yaw'. 'V' will no longer work, until I move forward in the views with 'v' at least once. Then the 'V' cycle works (or fails to work) as mentioned above. Thanks! Ima ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X
On Thursday 20 Oct 2005 01:10, Ima Sudonim wrote: Hi, Someone else had mentioned something similar recently, but I can't find the post in flightgear-devel. I noticed that with latest CVS on mac os x, I can scroll thru views (forward) with 'v' as many times as I like, but that 'V' (reverse) only works 1-3 times until I reach the view that has a name ending in 'w/o yaw'. 'V' will no longer work, until I move forward in the views with 'v' at least once. Then the 'V' cycle works (or fails to work) as mentioned above. Thanks! Ima Have you found this with several different aircraft or have you only tried a single type so far? If it only happens with a specific aircraft, which one is it? LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X
On Thursday 20 Oct 2005 01:10, Ima Sudonim wrote: Hi, Someone else had mentioned something similar recently, but I can't find the post in flightgear-devel. I noticed that with latest CVS on mac os x, I can scroll thru views (forward) with 'v' as many times as I like, but that 'V' (reverse) only works 1-3 times until I reach the view that has a name ending in 'w/o yaw'. 'V' will no longer work, until I move forward in the views with 'v' at least once. Then the 'V' cycle works (or fails to work) as mentioned above. Thanks! Ima I was using the default cessna (didn't give --aircraft= option) (it's the chase view w/o yaw option, where the problem occurs in all instances with reverse view). DOES happen with default cessna, sopwithCamel, spitfireIIa, 747-100, ufo, Citation-II, A380, shuttle (gave a 'failed to load aircraft from, falling back to glider.ac' message, ornithopter (BTW, the ornithopter is already moving forward when fg starts, unlike the other airplane models), bell206 DOESN'T happen with A-10cl (my personal favorite) 8-) or A-10fl (there is no chase view w/o yaw option) Hope this helps! Thanks! Ima Have you found this with several different aircraft or have you only tried a single type so far? If it only happens with a specific aircraft, which one is it? LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problems with 'V' (backwards view) on Mac os X
On Thursday 20 Oct 2005 03:31, Ima Sudonim wrote: On Thursday 20 Oct 2005 01:10, Ima Sudonim wrote: Hi, Someone else had mentioned something similar recently, but I can't find the post in flightgear-devel. I noticed that with latest CVS on mac os x, I can scroll thru views (forward) with 'v' as many times as I like, but that 'V' (reverse) only works 1-3 times until I reach the view that has a name ending in 'w/o yaw'. 'V' will no longer work, until I move forward in the views with 'v' at least once. Then the 'V' cycle works (or fails to work) as mentioned above. Thanks! Ima Have you found this with several different aircraft or have you only tried a single type so far? If it only happens with a specific aircraft, which one is it? LeeE I was using the default cessna (didn't give --aircraft= option) (it's the chase view w/o yaw option, where the problem occurs in all instances with reverse view). DOES happen with default cessna, sopwithCamel, spitfireIIa, 747-100, ufo, Citation-II, A380, shuttle (gave a 'failed to load aircraft from, falling back to glider.ac' message, ornithopter (BTW, the ornithopter is already moving forward when fg starts, unlike the other airplane models), bell206 DOESN'T happen with A-10cl (my personal favorite) 8-) or A-10fl (there is no chase view w/o yaw option) Hope this helps! Thanks! Ima Heh ;) I don't mind top or bottom replies but sticking them in the middle throws me a bit. Anyway... I can't find any problems here - cvs a day or two old - I tried just calling fgfs with no params, to get the C-172, and could scroll backwards and forwards through the views ok. Cycled forward to chase w/o yaw, cycled backwards from it - no problems. Then tried both the A-10s, because you mention that they had no chase view w/o view and had no problems there either, including the chase view w/o yaw. Do you get a 'Drop View' with the A-10s? The Drop view should be the 'last' view on the A-10s, before you end up back in the Cockpit and should come after the chase view w/o yaw. Do you get both the chase view w/o yaw and drop view on the A-10s? LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
