Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Autopilot (and more)
On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 20:32, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: How about disabling avionic functions by default unless the aircraft-set.xml specifically demands them? Ampere Sounds fine. Don't limit the control just to be true/false though: As you suggest, the avionics dialog boxes would be enable=false by default. Tthe aircraft's XML can enable the FG default dialog by selecting enable=default. Later (in 1.2.x maybe) allow for enable=custom so that (amongst other things) the Cessna's KAP140 autopilot simulator can be extended to allow it to be controlled by dialog-box instead of clicking on the buttons. But that's for later. To fix this in time for 1.0.0, just the false and default options would be fine. Steve. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Autopilot (and more)
On December 2, 2005 09:33 am, Josh Babcock wrote: Perhaps it would be easy to write a null autopilot. Put that in the base package, and anyone who wants no autopilot in their aircraft could select that. I know nothing of autopilots though. Josh How about disabling avionic functions by default unless the aircraft-set.xml specifically demands them? Ampere ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Autopilot (and more)
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 20:25, Steve Knoblock wrote: If an aircraft has its own autopilot, the default dialog does not come up, but if it does not specify an autopilot, the default dialog comes up. Not quite. I've just discovered that the autopilot works(*) with the Colditz Glider! Let's see: a WWII escape glider built from floorboards and bedsheets and lacking *any* instruments apart from a yaw-string, does feature a fully-functioning autopilot! You've gotta take your hat off to those POW dudes On second thoughts, just possibly there's a bug here! We seriously need an item in the 'instruments' XML where a 'plane can request the default autopilot be available if: 1) The plane actually *has* an autopilot (**) and 2) The author doesn't want to bother with writing their own (yet). In the long term we could argue that the second case above isn't required - the dialog should only be available if the plane actually has an autopilot. In the case of the Cessna (and maybe others) where a real autopilot has been modelled, the dialog should be there, but set values in the real autopilot simulation. However, I'd suggest that the two-part test above be put in to sort out the most gratuitous ill effects in the current code *before* 1.0.0 comes out. Something similar should probably also be done for things like comms and nav radios (again, the Wright Flyer and Colditz Glider don't have them), in fact the *entire* Equipment menu item ought to be grayed-out for those two planes. All the gliders would want to disable the Fuel Settings dialog in that menu item. All historic craft would want to disable GPS settings. Sheesh: there's a good bit of work to be done around here. The systems failures dialog box should only have boxes for systems that the plane in question actually has! The altimeter settings dialog should be greyed out on any plane that doesn't have an altimeter (Wright Flyer, Colditz Glider and the Hang Glider I suppose). Steve (*) Velocity control using pitch oscillates badly. Heading control is fine. (**) I suspect the FlightGear 1903 Wright Flyer has autopilot too... ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Autopilot (and more)
Steve Hosgood wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 20:25, Steve Knoblock wrote: If an aircraft has its own autopilot, the default dialog does not come up, but if it does not specify an autopilot, the default dialog comes up. Not quite. I've just discovered that the autopilot works(*) with the Colditz Glider! Let's see: a WWII escape glider built from floorboards and bedsheets and lacking *any* instruments apart from a yaw-string, does feature a fully-functioning autopilot! You've gotta take your hat off to those POW dudes On second thoughts, just possibly there's a bug here! We seriously need an item in the 'instruments' XML where a 'plane can request the default autopilot be available if: 1) The plane actually *has* an autopilot (**) and 2) The author doesn't want to bother with writing their own (yet). In the long term we could argue that the second case above isn't required - the dialog should only be available if the plane actually has an autopilot. In the case of the Cessna (and maybe others) where a real autopilot has been modelled, the dialog should be there, but set values in the real autopilot simulation. However, I'd suggest that the two-part test above be put in to sort out the most gratuitous ill effects in the current code *before* 1.0.0 comes out. Something similar should probably also be done for things like comms and nav radios (again, the Wright Flyer and Colditz Glider don't have them), in fact the *entire* Equipment menu item ought to be grayed-out for those two planes. All the gliders would want to disable the Fuel Settings dialog in that menu item. All historic craft would want to disable GPS settings. Sheesh: there's a good bit of work to be done around here. The systems failures dialog box should only have boxes for systems that the plane in question actually has! The altimeter settings dialog should be greyed out on any plane that doesn't have an altimeter (Wright Flyer, Colditz Glider and the Hang Glider I suppose). Steve (*) Velocity control using pitch oscillates badly. Heading control is fine. (**) I suspect the FlightGear 1903 Wright Flyer has autopilot too... ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d Perhaps it would be easy to write a null autopilot. Put that in the base package, and anyone who wants no autopilot in their aircraft could select that. I know nothing of autopilots though. Josh ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
