Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
Is there anything relating to usage ? The DA42 is definitely the plane I would like to see in FG, as it is definitely the plane I would like to fly one day. Mat Martin Spott wrote: Torsten Dreyer wrote: There was a project from diamond aircraft and microsoft about building a model for the Twin Star. [...] http://www.microsoft.com/austria/education/projekte.mspx I had a closer look at the websites and at the files and I dind't find a single notice that prohibits use in conjunction with other flight simulation. In my interpretation this allows everyone to get these aircraft models and convert them for reuse in FlightGear. Cheers, Martin. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
mat churchill wrote: The DA42 is definitely the plane I would like to see in FG, as it is definitely the plane I would like to fly one day. Oh yes. Since I recieved my license paper last month I've flown more than 5 hours single-handed on a C172 with Thielert engine (I already did som hours during PPL training). I really call this a convenient handling ! Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
Torsten Dreyer wrote: There was a project from diamond aircraft and microsoft about building a model for the Twin Star. [...] http://www.microsoft.com/austria/education/projekte.mspx I had a closer look at the websites and at the files and I dind't find a single notice that prohibits use in conjunction with other flight simulation. In my interpretation this allows everyone to get these aircraft models and convert them for reuse in FlightGear. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
Torsten Dreyer wrote: There was a project from diamond aircraft and microsoft about building a model for the Twin Star. http://www.diamond-air.at/de/press/pressarchive/50606.htm Well, Melchior could have a visit at their place and ask kindly ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
Sorry for the delay -- I've been away for four days, and haven't been near a computer. Well, it's not the Katana that's doing that, it's you ;). You could use the standard Cessna or the Cub to practice circuits and lining up on final correctly. Early on I tried training in a Tomahawk and, once I switched to the Katana, found that they handle entirely differently, even though they're both trainers. I thought about trying a Cub or a 172, but thought I'd find that same phenomena, only in a model rather than the real thing. Besides, I've been watching/trying FG since 1999 and haven't contributed much, so I thought I might submit this. I have my own copy of the Katana's POH, so the three-views, handling specs, balance weights, etc (everything you'd find in the owner's manual) is available. I know how to run XFoil and I know the airfoil they're using, so I suppose I could model some of the coefficients I'm missing. I read through a Google-tranlsated version of the German MSFS/Diamond project. I wish they'd do something like this for FG, too. Would it hurt to ask if they'd be interested? I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to do it, but if Curt were to approach them they might listen; since they're an aircraft manufacturer some of the folks who work on the FDMs might carry weight, too. -j ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
Worth a try ! Have you got any plans of the Katana ? Its very hard to find anything on the DA42 I emailed Diamond but had nothing back. Mat On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 22:46 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mat, I'd love to get my hands on a twin turbo diesel with an all-glass panel, but right now the FAA thinks I should be flying an 80hp single. And my CFI thinks I should stay more to the middle of the runway when I touch down (never on the front wheel first), rather than tending to stay my usual ~15' to the left. Seriously, I have a pretty specific purpose in mind, here, since I really do need to find some way to remember the routine when flying the pattern and have to learn to stay on the centerline. I tried Flight Simulator 2k2, and found out quickly that it's a toy: the one Katana model I found feels NOTHING like the real thing. I've been watching the FG dev list for a while now and figured the models here would be closer, at least because the FDMs are being used in some reputable projects. Jon, I saw that you copied my original message into the JSBSim list before I had a chance to -- many thanks. -j -- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:32:10 +0100 Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model To: flightgear-devel@flightgear.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain joe, sure you are not interested in a DA42 ? would love one of these in FG http://www.abacuspub.com/fsd/catalog/s609.htm Mat ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
joe, sure you are not interested in a DA42 ? would love one of these in FG http://www.abacuspub.com/fsd/catalog/s609.htm There was a project from diamond aircraft and microsoft about building a model for the Twin Star. http://www.diamond-air.at/de/press/pressarchive/50606.htm this page is in german, I don't think there is one in english. It - roughly - tells the story about both companies supporting two schools in austria in a building a model of the DA42 for FS2004. The files could be found here http://www.microsoft.com/austria/education/projekte.mspx It looks like they did a model for the DA40 180, too. I whish, they did this for fg... Torsten ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
joe, sure you are not interested in a DA42 ? would love one of these in FG http://www.abacuspub.com/fsd/catalog/s609.htm Mat ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
Hi, Mat, I'd love to get my hands on a twin turbo diesel with an all-glass panel, but right now the FAA thinks I should be flying an 80hp single. And my CFI thinks I should stay more to the middle of the runway when I touch down (never on the front wheel first), rather than tending to stay my usual ~15' to the left. Seriously, I have a pretty specific purpose in mind, here, since I really do need to find some way to remember the routine when flying the pattern and have to learn to stay on the centerline. I tried Flight Simulator 2k2, and found out quickly that it's a toy: the one Katana model I found feels NOTHING like the real thing. I've been watching the FG dev list for a while now and figured the models here would be closer, at least because the FDMs are being used in some reputable projects. Jon, I saw that you copied my original message into the JSBSim list before I had a chance to -- many thanks. -j -- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:32:10 +0100 From: Mat Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model To: flightgear-devel@flightgear.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain joe, sure you are not interested in a DA42 ? would love one of these in FG http://www.abacuspub.com/fsd/catalog/s609.htm Mat ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mat, I'd love to get my hands on a twin turbo diesel with an all-glass panel, but right now the FAA thinks I should be flying an 80hp single. And my CFI thinks I should stay more to the middle of the runway when I touch down (never on the front wheel first), rather than tending to stay my usual ~15' to the left. Well, it's not the Katana that's doing that, it's you ;). You could use the standard Cessna or the Cub to practice circuits and lining up on final correctly. I haven't flown a Katana, but if it handles like other basic trainer types of aircraft, then this applies: Sounds like you could be focussing on the touchdown spot, esp since you mention nose-wheel first touchdowns. Are you remembering to focus at the far end of the runway when you round out? Your peripheral vision will let you grease it on. Seriously, I have a pretty specific purpose in mind, here, since I really do need to find some way to remember the routine when flying the pattern and have to learn to stay on the centerline. I tried Flight Simulator 2k2, and found out quickly that it's a toy: the one Katana model I found feels NOTHING like the real thing. I've been watching the FG dev list for a while now and figured the models here would be closer, at least because the FDMs are being used in some reputable projects. A Katana model would be a great addition to the fleet. Nick ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Diamond Katana model
I didn't realize that JBSim has a dev mailing list all its own - this is probably more appropriate there. Sorry for writing to the wrong list! Of course, if you have any input, still more than happy to hear it here. -j Hi, folks, I'm trying to build a Katana model (the flight model, at least) so I don't have to perpetually terrorize the airfield's neighbors and my CFI while I practice touch go's. I went through the Aero-Matic and came out with a starting set of files, which I've been combing through and changing where appropriate. I can't find a reference for the properties in the 'metrics' element, however. Can anyone tell me what they are? I also see a lot of 'coefficient' elements in there, a number of which look important to someone landing a plane (dCLflap - Delta_Lift_due_to_flaps, for instance, looks rather important). Anyone know where these might be published, if at all? Thanks! -joe ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
