[Flightgear-devel] Enhanced Candlestick Park Model

2007-07-22 Thread Ron Jensen
I'm working on a STOL aircraft, the Fiesler Fi-156, and I thought it might be fun to land in Candlestick park... Unfortunately, the lack of detail inside the stadium makes it really hard. So I added 12 rectangles to the model to create a football field. http://www.jentronics.com/fgfs/candlestick.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] SimGear: Allow parallel make (-j2)

2007-07-22 Thread Timothy Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Committed; thanks. Tim Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: > Allow parallel make ("make -j2") by giving make the opportunity to > determine dependencies. > > As in subdirectory foo/bar, $(top_builddir)/foo/bar is defined to be the > current directory, this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> I would need: > CLtail = f(alpha_tail, delta_elevator) > > where alpha_tail = alpha_aircraft + horizontal_stab_angle - Epsilon We should be able to do this. > Some time ago I've been told that this can be done using the > speedbrake property (indeed this is the way it is done in the 747 > ex

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Fabian Grodek
> > No assumptions are made for the horizontal stabilizer, whether it is > all-moving, or is fixed with a movable surface. There is only a deflection > associated with the surface, and that is used to index into an aero table. I > am not quite sure what you need, or what you are referring to here.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] blinking panel on C150

2007-07-22 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Ron Jensen schrieb: > > > This can be fixed by removing the > true > line from c150/Models/c150.xml. > > However removing that line makes the instruments overlay the yoke. The > other solution is to do a proper 3D panel and remove the 2.5D panel. > > Ron > > Thank you Ron, for pointing this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] blinking panel on C150

2007-07-22 Thread Ron Jensen
On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 21:03 +0200, Sébastien MARQUE wrote: > hi all, > > I just tested the new c150, it's a very nice piece of aircraft and > surely one of my favorite ones ;) > > I wanted to report that the 3D panel is continuously blinking on my > fresh compilation of FG/CVS OSG/SVN, using os

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 150 update

2007-07-22 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Harald JOHNSEN -- Sunday 22 July 2007: > I'll make the change to overide the other function too. Ahh, I hadn't thought of JSBSim using hard-coded property paths. Yes, looks like redefining the other function is the only solution then. Will fix lots of joysticks *and* the key binding (m/M keys).

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Indeed, I was talking about two 2-D tables, "wrongly" guessing that > JSBSim would interpolate the data in case, let's say, the current slat > position is not any of the specific slat for which the tables are > defined. Such an interpolation would be quite accurate, being better There certainly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Fabian Grodek
> > We could probably use the existing code to do that interpolation between two > or more tables. It would just be really ugly. In the case of DATOM+ output, > I'd have to generate that ugly code automatically. Well, it may be ugly and inaccurate, but for some cases the phisics could probably be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Bill Galbraith
> Indeed, I was talking about two 2-D tables, "wrongly" > guessing that JSBSim would interpolate the data in case, > let's say, the current slat position is not any of the > specific slat for which the tables are defined. Such an > interpolation would be quite accurate, being better the mor

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Fabian Grodek
See my comment after quotation... > 2. I think what you are saying is: > >epsilon = f( alpha, flap, slat ) > > I don't think that you were advocating using two 2-D table > >epsilon(slat=0) = f ( alpha, flap ) >epsilon(slat=20) = f ( alpha, flap ) > > If you were, there wou

[Flightgear-devel] blinking panel on C150

2007-07-22 Thread Sébastien MARQUE
hi all, I just tested the new c150, it's a very nice piece of aircraft and surely one of my favorite ones ;) I wanted to report that the 3D panel is continuously blinking on my fresh compilation of FG/CVS OSG/SVN, using osgviewer. here are some snaps: http://seb.marque.free.fr/fichiers/flightge

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 150 update

2007-07-22 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Melchior FRANZ wrote: >I also removed the "userarchive" flags on the hobbs and yoke properties, >and let those properties be written to the c150's own aircraft config >instead. I decided to not wait for your reply, as the "userarchive" >settings polluted the systems's autosave.xml file, which woul

[Flightgear-devel] MIBS altitude following problems

2007-07-22 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 The altitude following mode of the --aircraft=mibs is "lazy", that is it doesn't follow very closely, while this is good in case of for example loops, it cause problems when following for example a climbing Concorde. See this screenshot for an exampl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 150 update

2007-07-22 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Saturday 21 July 2007: > (I only changed text files with MSDOS line terminators to Unix > style according to fgfs rules. :-) I also removed the "userarchive" flags on the hobbs and yoke properties, and let those properties be written to the c150's own aircraft config instead. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Bill Galbraith
> On the topic of calculating downwash at the tail, and the > effects thereof, rather than make a four dimensional table it > might be better to think outside the box and consider > alternative ways to do what you need. I agree. That's why I brought it up in the first place, to see if anyon

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 150 update

2007-07-22 Thread gh.robin
On Sat 21 July 2007 19:06, Harald JOHNSEN wrote: > Jon S. Berndt wrote: > >Nice looking 3D model. Did you use the JSBSim converter to convert the > >model? Was it relatively painless? Do I even want to know? ;-) > > > >Jon > > Thank, yes I used the converter at the begining, I don't remember > exac

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Jon S. Berndt
On the topic of calculating downwash at the tail, and the effects thereof, rather than make a four dimensional table it might be better to think outside the box and consider alternative ways to do what you need. Modeling ground effect is one example of that. It's a function that is calculated outsi

[Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-22 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
FG/OSG currently offers to build the "fgfs" binary as one of three different versions: a) Using glut b) Using SDL c) Using osgViewer As the whole thing is still in development, it makes sense for developers to have more than just one of the three, so that one can compare their behaviours.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Bill Galbraith
> Quoting Fabian Grodek > Now, regarding the 737 sample case, it should be checked > which flaps-slats combinations are normally possible; it may > be the case where let's say flaps 20 cannot come with > retracted slats (if there is a problem with the slats > deployment you are allowed to u

[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] README typo

2007-07-22 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Fix typo in README Index: README === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/README,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.2 README --- README 19 Nov 2004 22:10:41 - 1.2 +++ README 22 Jul 2007 13:46:13 - @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ For

[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] fgText member initialization out of order

2007-07-22 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
avoid g++ warning about the members being initialized out of order Index: src/Cockpit/hud.hxx === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Cockpit/hud.hxx,v retrieving revision 1.38 diff -u -p -r1.38 hud.hxx --- src/Cockpit/hud.hxx

[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] SimGear: Allow parallel make (-j2)

2007-07-22 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Allow parallel make ("make -j2") by giving make the opportunity to determine dependencies. As in subdirectory foo/bar, $(top_builddir)/foo/bar is defined to be the current directory, this does not cause any regressions. Index: simgear/bucket/Makefile.am

[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] SimGear: Typo in Thanks file

2007-07-22 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Fix typo Index: Thanks === RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/Thanks,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -p -r1.4 Thanks --- Thanks 15 May 2007 22:28:08 - 1.4 +++ Thanks 22 Jul 2007 13:53:41 - @@ -120,7 +120,7 @@ Petter Reinho

[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] SimGear: Properly print compilers in configure.ac

2007-07-22 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Print $CC and $CXX using the proper configure.ac mechanism Index: configure.ac === RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/configure.ac,v retrieving revision 1.101 diff -u -p -r1.101 configure.ac --- configure.ac 30 Oct 2006 19:56:09 -00

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> > Finally, one short question: why there is no dedicated horizontal > stabilizer property available in JSBSim, and we need to use for this > the speedbrake property? Just curious... > > Fabian Are you talking about JSBSim, or DATCOM? I'm not sure I understand your question. There is a property

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Epsilon, alpha_tail and independent tail contributions

2007-07-22 Thread Fabian Grodek
First, thank you all for the direct answers to my question. Now, regarding the 737 sample case, it should be checked which flaps-slats combinations are normally possible; it may be the case where let's say flaps 20 cannot come with retracted slats (if there is a problem with the slats deployment y

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Asymetric flaps ?

2007-07-22 Thread Bill Galbraith
> I saw that ans it is a bit disturbing. If I understand well > you take the output from datcom and assign half of those > numbers to each flap. Except that we suddenly have negative > flap angles in the datcom.xml (they are positive in datcom.out). ZOIKS! You are correct. It was caused by

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Asymetric flaps ?

2007-07-22 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Bill Galbraith wrote: > <> > Don't know if anyone noticed, but the flaps are already split left and > right. I did this for the asymetric flap deflection issue. I saw that ans it is a bit disturbing. If I understand well you take the output from datcom and assign half of those numbers to each f