Re: [Flightgear-devel] Performance and compiler options - or maybe something else

2010-11-12 Thread thorsten . i . renk
With regard to the speed of loading models from Nasal into the scenery I was writing about a while ago, I have made some discovery yesterday. I was testing a setup in 2.0.0 with some heavy numerics running on the second CPU, and this pushed the behaviour of the framerate into the behaviour I was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Mally
?Hi Chris I have reservations about this. It could easily backfire on you personally or turn out to be a traumatic event, particularly if it turns out to be more of a confrontation than a reasonable discussion. What are the odds of the latter do you think? I think the same could be achieved

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Confrontation? Don't be silly! This guy is a businessman, a shrewd capitalist at worst - these kind of guys don't make their money being brutal in peoples faces, they sneak around quietly like mice, (almost) unknowingly profiting off the hard work of others. Risk in meeting an unknown

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Chris Wilkinson
BTW, it might interest you to know that Charlie Taylor, the name of the guy behind Flight Sim Pro, is an alias. For those who know their aviation history Charles E Taylor was the 3rd Wright Brother. He was the mechanic who kept the Wright Flyer in sound condition, Without him the flyer may not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Tim Moore
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Mally ma...@tklm.freeserve.co.uk wrote: ?Hi Chris I have reservations about this. It could easily backfire on you personally or turn out to be a traumatic event, particularly if it turns out to be more of a confrontation than a reasonable discussion. What

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Tim Moore
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Chris Wilkinson blobster...@yahoo.com.auwrote: My goal will be open dialog as to why this guy seems unwilling to honor the exacting word of the GPL, and why he isn't giving back to the community. Probably done over coffee. I'll probably smile. And my solemn

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Martin Spott
Chris Wilkinson wrote: Frankly this guy is a big part of the reason I have yet to commit my scenery and aircraft to the community. I do NOT want someone making money from my efforts without either my consent or without some form of input to the community as a condition of being allowed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Martin Spott
Mally wrote: Relicensing seems to be a good idea if the present license (or it's potential to be misinterpreted) is resulting in unhappiness for the contributors, or worse still, affecting the growth and development of FG, as seems to be the case currently. I think the latter statement is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Gene Buckle
FPS is a nuisance, indeed, but boycotting The FlightGear Project just as a means to hurt FPS doesn't buy us anything, I'd say. If we really aim at doing anything wrt. FPS, then we'd probably better care about getting our desolate PR department into better shape This is the key right

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread J. Holden
For the love of... Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is indeed a problem and reflects negatively on the community. Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do. Please, please, someone with a copyright interest in the software please

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi John, We have been down this road before. Here is a reply from the FSF: *From: Donald R Robertson III via RT [mailto:licens...@fsf.org]* *Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:47 PM* * * *Hello,* * * *Thank you for your interest. This link:* *http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-violation.html

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Martin Spott
Hi John, J. Holden wrote: Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is indeed a problem and reflects negatively on the community. Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do. I don't think we're ignoring the 'issue'. But we probably should

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Mally
?John, I fully agree. I despair that everyone seems to be saying this guy's operation is fully legal, almost like it's more convenient to assume that than to fight it. I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that the GPL wording on the allowable scope of commercial activity is very clear, and this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
John wrote For the love of... Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is indeed a problem and reflects negatively on the community. Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do. Please, please, someone with a copyright interest in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Martin Spott
Mally wrote: I despair that everyone seems to be saying this guy's operation is fully legal, [...] This might be your feeling, but does not properly reflect what's been written on this very list. If you're approaching legal affairs with assumptions _that_ vague and imprecise as the above

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Performance and compiler options - or maybe something else

2010-11-12 Thread ThorstenB
From: thorsten.r...@jy... - 2010-11-12 10:13 I still have no real understanding why this is so, or why loading a large number of *identical* models into the scenery should take a long time (I would think that one can make use of the fact that there are really multiple copies of the same model

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Mally
? I despair that everyone seems to be saying this guy's operation is fully legal, [...] This might be your feeling, but does not properly reflect what's been written on this very list. If you're approaching legal affairs with assumptions _that_ vague and imprecise as the above 'summary', then

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread ThorstenB
From: James Turner zakal...@ma... - 2010-11-12 13:37 Just to re-iterate - the best defence is a good offence. Stop worrying about FPS, and make FG better (by contributing), or promoting it better. It's essentially a marketing scam, not a competing product. (The current flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Mally
? Also, not sure if this was already mentioned. The person isn't only selling FG. He does the same with a lot of other GPLed software. Again, Google shows many similar sites - all with the same contact address in NZ. And I guess we'd find even more if we looked closer. Certainly looks like

[Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Gene Buckle
http://flightgear.simpits.org:8080/job/SimGear-Win32/ws/projects\VC90\SimGear.vcproj; (default targets) -- FAILED. Build FAILED. http://flightgear.simpits.org:8080/job/SimGear-Win32/ws/projects\VC90\SimGear.vcproj; (default target) (1) - (Build target) -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Curtis Olson
Are you able to test local changes? What would happen if you changed line #203 of simgear/io/raw_socket.cxx to: setsockopt( handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, (void *)opt_boolean, sizeof(opt_boolean) ); In other words, insert (void *) in front of opt_boolean Does that clean

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Gene Buckle
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: Are you able to test local changes? What would happen if you changed line #203 of simgear/io/raw_socket.cxx to: setsockopt( handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, (void *)opt_boolean, sizeof(opt_boolean) ); In other words, insert (void

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Gene Buckle
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: Are you able to test local changes? What would happen if you changed line #203 of simgear/io/raw_socket.cxx to: setsockopt( handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, (void *)opt_boolean, sizeof(opt_boolean) ); In other words, insert (void

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Frederic Bouvier
- Gene Buckle a écrit : On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: Are you able to test local changes? What would happen if you changed line #203 of simgear/io/raw_socket.cxx to: setsockopt( handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, (void *)opt_boolean,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Gene Buckle
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Frederic Bouvier wrote: - Gene Buckle a écrit : On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: Are you able to test local changes? What would happen if you changed line #203 of simgear/io/raw_socket.cxx to: setsockopt( handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Thanks Fred! We're back to a green board. :D Would you mind restarting a linux build, just in case ? -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://my.fotolia.com/frfoto/ Photo gallery - album photo http://www.youtube.com/user/fgfred64 Videos

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Gene Buckle
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Frederic Bouvier wrote: Thanks Fred! We're back to a green board. :D Would you mind restarting a linux build, just in case ? Will do! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Curtis Olson
I'm pushing a different fix which follows previous precedence already used in the setBlocking() function later in this same source file. Apologize if I break things again. On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Frederic Bouvier wrote:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)

2010-11-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:11 PM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: My personal rule-of-thumb is to only commit when I've got time to watch the Hudson board go green - it's on an hourly poll at the moment, though we can allow other users to manually kick off builds, if you ask Gene nicely.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Another avenue I have considered is a New Zealand consumer affairs program named Fair Go. This TV show has an excellent track record of exposing scammers, and sticking up for those who are being shafted by scammers. The format is a group of presenters who research claims of unfair treatment,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook

2010-11-12 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Chris I would let it go mate.While I feel no better about people making money off my work I also feel that it is pretty much or own fault. The only way you are going to stop this guy is to make it a pain in the arse for him. Until we are prepared to fight fire with fire by releasing our

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear website on wiki

2010-11-12 Thread Tom P
Hi, I think having the wiki as default page for the project makes a lot of sense, there is way more information on the Wiki at this point, and it's pretty well organized. Of course, a few key pages would need to be locked-down (or maybe not, I'm an optimist !!). And dynamic pages like the