Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-19 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Saturday, June 18, 2011 08:00:41 PM Jon S. Berndt wrote: From: syd adams [mailto:adams@gmail.com] Does jsbsim ? I've just begun to look into it , so I don't really know jsbsim's capabilities. It's not automatic - not a natural effect calculated by JSBSim code itself. Like many

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-19 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/19 Hal V. Engel hven...@gmail.com: On Saturday, June 18, 2011 08:00:41 PM Jon S. Berndt wrote: From: syd adams [mailto:adams@gmail.com] Does jsbsim ? I've just begun to look into it , so I don't really know jsbsim's capabilities. It's not automatic - not a natural

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/17 Emilian Huminiuc emili...@gmail.com: On Friday 17 June 2011 08:15:36 xsaint wrote: Thank you Emilian and Buck Ok i tested changing the location of the point to ahead of the engine and also behind the engine, near exhaust. Irrespective of the location, looking at the results at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/17 Gary Neely grne...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:17 AM, xsaint xsa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Folks... Was wondering if any nice souls will assist clear this doubt on mine... In YASIM, what does actionpt really refers to? Is it the point the engines pull the air through?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread syd adams
My more simple understanding was the actionpoint was the point where thrust was applied relative to the engine mass , like the documentation states. an actionpt subelement to place the action point of the thrust at a different position than the mass of the engine. Works for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/18 syd adams adams@gmail.com: My more simple understanding was the actionpoint was the point where thrust was applied relative to the engine mass , like the documentation states. an actionpt subelement          to place the action point of the thrust at a different          

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Gary Neely
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Bertrand Coconnier bcoco...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/17 Gary Neely grne...@gmail.com: I've always understood actionpt to be the location where thrust should be applied with respect to the airframe. For a propeller-driven engine, I use the approximate location

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread syd adams
On the other hand, YASim does not take into the wing downwash or the propwash while computing the tail incidence (while they are first order contributors) so I would not use the word 'fidelity'. Does jsbsim ? I've just begun to look into it , so I don't really know jsbsim's capabilities.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Jon S. Berndt
From: syd adams [mailto:adams@gmail.com] Does jsbsim ? I've just begun to look into it , so I don't really know jsbsim's capabilities. It's not automatic - not a natural effect calculated by JSBSim code itself. Like many things in JSBSim, the facilities are present to let the aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:51:41 +0300, Emilian wrote in message 201106170751.41691.emili...@gmail.com: For a prop, it should be the blade/hub linkage, and thus commonly found ahead of the engine center of mass. ..it moves towards the down-going prop blade as aircraft AOA gets higher and higher.

[Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread xsaint
Hello Folks... Was wondering if any nice souls will assist clear this doubt on mine... In YASIM, what does actionpt really refers to? Is it the point the engines pull the air through? which the point will be ahead of the engines or is it the point at back the end of the engine where the exhaust

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread Gary Neely
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:17 AM, xsaint xsa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Folks... Was wondering if any nice souls will assist clear this doubt on mine... In YASIM, what does actionpt really refers to? Is it the point the engines pull the air through? which the point will be ahead of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread Emilian Huminiuc
On Friday 17 June 2011 07:17:45 xsaint wrote: Hello Folks... Was wondering if any nice souls will assist clear this doubt on mine... In YASIM, what does actionpt really refers to? Is it the point the engines pull the air through? which the point will be ahead of the engines or is it the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread xsaint
Thank you Emilian and Buck Ok i tested changing the location of the point to ahead of the engine and also behind the engine, near exhaust. Irrespective of the location, looking at the results at the Yasim solver, i do not see much impact. Surprisingly i do not see any change to Drag Coef

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread Emilian Huminiuc
On Friday 17 June 2011 08:15:36 xsaint wrote: Thank you Emilian and Buck Ok i tested changing the location of the point to ahead of the engine and also behind the engine, near exhaust. Irrespective of the location, looking at the results at the Yasim solver, i do not see much impact.