Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-19 Thread syd adams
Didn't mean to branch the topic , was just curious .And thanks for the replies Jon and Hal. Ron Jensen has patiently tried coaching me with jsbsim , but I'm a slow learner ;) My apologies xsaint , hope you got the answer you were looking for. Cheers --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-19 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/19 Hal V. Engel : > On Saturday, June 18, 2011 08:00:41 PM Jon S. Berndt wrote: > >> > From: syd adams [mailto:adams@gmail.com] > >> > > >> > Does jsbsim ? I've just begun to look into it , so I don't really know > >> > jsbsim's capabilities. > >> > >> It's not automatic - not a natural

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Hal V. Engel
On Saturday, June 18, 2011 08:00:41 PM Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > From: syd adams [mailto:adams@gmail.com] > > > > Does jsbsim ? I've just begun to look into it , so I don't really know > > jsbsim's capabilities. > > It's not automatic - not a natural effect calculated by JSBSim code itself. >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> From: syd adams [mailto:adams@gmail.com] > > Does jsbsim ? I've just begun to look into it , so I don't really know > jsbsim's capabilities. It's not automatic - not a natural effect calculated by JSBSim code itself. Like many things in JSBSim, the facilities are present to let the aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread syd adams
On the other hand, YASim does not take into the wing downwash > or the propwash while computing the tail incidence (while they are > first order contributors) so I would not use the word 'fidelity'. Does jsbsim ? I've just begun to look into it , so I don't really know jsbsim's capabilities. Che

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/18 Gary Neely : > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Bertrand Coconnier > wrote: >> 2011/6/17 Gary Neely : >>> I've always understood actionpt to be the location where thrust should >>> be applied with respect to the airframe. For a propeller-driven >>> engine, I use the approximate locatio

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Gary Neely
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Bertrand Coconnier wrote: > 2011/6/17 Gary Neely : >> I've always understood actionpt to be the location where thrust should >> be applied with respect to the airframe. For a propeller-driven >> engine, I use the approximate location of the main thrust bearing. Fo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread syd adams
Ok, i worded that wrong ... action point is a way to specify the thrust point if it's not the point defined for the engine mass ... and yes , the coordinates are relative the aircraft origin ... my mistake. -- EditLive Ent

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/18 syd adams : > My more simple understanding was the actionpoint was the point where > thrust was applied relative to the engine mass , like the > documentation states. > > an subelement >          to place the action point of the thrust at a different >          position than the mass of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread syd adams
My more simple understanding was the actionpoint was the point where thrust was applied relative to the engine mass , like the documentation states. an subelement to place the action point of the thrust at a different position than the mass of the engine. Works for me. Cheer

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/17 Gary Neely : > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:17 AM, xsaint wrote: >> Hello Folks... >> >> Was wondering if any nice souls will assist clear this doubt on mine... >> >> In YASIM, what does "actionpt" really refers to? >> Is it the point the engines pull the air through? which the point will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-18 Thread Bertrand Coconnier
2011/6/17 Emilian Huminiuc : > On Friday 17 June 2011 08:15:36 xsaint wrote: >> Thank you Emilian and Buck >> >> Ok i tested changing the location of the point to ahead of the engine >> and also behind the engine, near exhaust. >> Irrespective of the location, looking at the results at the Yasi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:51:41 +0300, Emilian wrote in message <201106170751.41691.emili...@gmail.com>: > For a prop, it should be the blade/hub linkage, and thus > commonly found ahead of the engine center of mass. ..it moves towards the down-going prop blade as aircraft AOA gets higher and high

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread Emilian Huminiuc
On Friday 17 June 2011 08:15:36 xsaint wrote: > Thank you Emilian and Buck > > Ok i tested changing the location of the point to ahead of the engine > and also behind the engine, near exhaust. > Irrespective of the location, looking at the results at the Yasim > solver, i do not see much impac

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread xsaint
Thank you Emilian and Buck Ok i tested changing the location of the point to ahead of the engine and also behind the engine, near exhaust. Irrespective of the location, looking at the results at the Yasim solver, i do not see much impact. Surprisingly i do not see any change to Drag Coef or

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread Emilian Huminiuc
On Friday 17 June 2011 07:17:45 xsaint wrote: > Hello Folks... > > Was wondering if any nice souls will assist clear this doubt on mine... > > In YASIM, what does "actionpt" really refers to? > Is it the point the engines pull the air through? which the point will > be ahead of the engines or > i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread Gary Neely
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:17 AM, xsaint wrote: > Hello Folks... > > Was wondering if any nice souls will assist clear this doubt on mine... > > In YASIM, what does "actionpt" really refers to? > Is it the point the engines pull the air through? which the point will > be ahead of the engines or >

[Flightgear-devel] Clarification on YASIM input (actionpt)

2011-06-16 Thread xsaint
Hello Folks... Was wondering if any nice souls will assist clear this doubt on mine... In YASIM, what does "actionpt" really refers to? Is it the point the engines pull the air through? which the point will be ahead of the engines or is it the point at back the end of the engine where the exhaus