Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-16 Thread Martin Spott
HB-GRAL wrote: I checked some airports the last days. You can not say that FlightGear or X-Plane data is accurate and the rest of the mapping world is missing the points. Sure, DAFIF (which is the source to most of 'our' runways) is neither error-free nor complete. That's why corrections

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-15 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 15.09.11 18:12, schrieb Martin Spott: HB-GRAL wrote: I see now also some differences between OSM and our apt.dat [...] Note that OSM might be aiming at a different target, they're not necessarily building a database which meets the specific requirements in (simulated) aviation. Cheers,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-15 Thread Martin Fenelon
On Thursday 15 September 2011 22:08, HB-GRAL wrote: No, it looks like the mapping with apt.dat data is inaccurate, at least outside the United States. I checked some airports the last days. You can not say that FlightGear or X-Plane data is accurate and the rest of the mapping world is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-15 Thread John Denker
On 09/15/2011 05:15 PM, Martin Fenelon wrote: I like to think that the positional errors of many (most non US?) aerodromes are due to mistakes made when changing from one datum to another. Well, that's not what I think, based on looking at the data. The very first non-US example I looked

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-15 Thread Curtis Olson
Right -- outside the USA, much of the x-plane airport data is hand entered and submitted by end-users with no quality control other than people are welcome to research and fix problems they find as they find them. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the entries are complete guesses or crazy typos.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-14 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 12.09.11 09:56, schrieb Alan Teeder: Google maps are notoriously incorrect on co-ordinates. Even their own road map overlay does not align perfectly with the scenery. You can check the accuracy yourself if you have a GPS receiver and visit a set of easily identifiable points like road

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-13 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 11.09.11 03:20, schrieb Curtis Olson: Asking a cartographer where is it? is just about as difficult a question as asking an astronomer what time is it? Curt. Hi Curt These are very good questions. I will ask some cartographers and astronomers. Cheers, Yves

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-13 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 12.09.11 00:39, schrieb Martin Spott: HB-GRAL wrote: Exactly, that's a default in Robin's collection. Hi Martin Yes, sorry, you answered me this one some months before and I just forgot about. It is part of the collection and this probably makes sense. Cheers, Yves

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-12 Thread Alan Teeder
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl HB-GRAL wrote: I am just curious why FlightGear and OSM have the same accurate position, and Google map shows another one. I might not have entirely understood your question (it's late and I'm

[Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-10 Thread HB-GRAL
Hi all Unfortunately I just run into another problem with my map. This is what I see on my currently generated map using 8.10 taxiway data and 8.50 runway data (this is no reference and a crude mixup of course, I apologize in adnvance): http://maptest.fgx.ch/screens/mapping.png But now, I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Openstreetmap vs. G**gl

2011-09-10 Thread Curtis Olson
I don't know the specific answer in this case, but it does illustrate one of the surpreme challenges in mixing different gis databases ... you end up with information from different sources, adhering to different standards, appropriate for different scales, using different datums, different