Re: [Flightgear-devel] Seneca questions
There are 2 little things I moticied in the Seneca, I don't know if these are intentional : Nope - they are bugs! -- the ki525a knobs do not light at night with the other instruments. Is it like this in real ? It makes it difficult to dial a heading/obs at night. Fixed. -- whatever I set MKR/Mute and sensitivity on the gma340, beacon marker lights never light. I never hear them either. Did I miss something ? Well - you simply never can hear light ;-) Fixed, too. The definition for the marker-beacon instrument was missing in the instrumentation configuration. The sensitivity is still a noop, because changing sensitivity is not (yet) supported in the current implementation of marker_beacon.cxx. Thanks for pointing these out. Torsten -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Alan Teeder RE: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/props props.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sadly, props.hxx is still getting me errors with MSVC 2008 - see attached error log. -Original Message- From: Tim Moore [mailto:timo...@baron.flightgear.org mailto:timo...@baron.flightgear.org ] Sent: 17 July 2009 11:12 To: simgear-cvsl...@lists.sf.net Subject: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/props props.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Update of /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/props In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv901/simgear/props Modified Files: props.cxx props.hxx Log Message: Changed SGRawValue::DefaultValue to an inline function. This avoids MSVC bugs in declaring templated specializations of static members. Unfortunately, there are still errors in the MSVC9 compile. Tim and I have been working to correct them, but we are still some way off. We are down to 1 right now, but it is proving rather intractable. Tim is unavailable atm, as is Fred, so do not expect an early resolution of this one. Vivian -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Thanks for the quick reply, and best wishes with the solution. Why oh why are MS compliers so pernickety? -Original Message- From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 19 July 2009 09:19 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Alan Teeder RE: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/props props.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sadly, props.hxx is still getting me errors with MSVC 2008 - see attached error log. -Original Message- From: Tim Moore [mailto:timo...@baron.flightgear.org mailto:timo...@baron.flightgear.org ] Sent: 17 July 2009 11:12 To: simgear-cvsl...@lists.sf.net Subject: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/props props.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Update of /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/props In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv901/simgear/props Modified Files: props.cxx props.hxx Log Message: Changed SGRawValue::DefaultValue to an inline function. This avoids MSVC bugs in declaring templated specializations of static members. Unfortunately, there are still errors in the MSVC9 compile. Tim and I have been working to correct them, but we are still some way off. We are down to 1 right now, but it is proving rather intractable. Tim is unavailable atm, as is Fred, so do not expect an early resolution of this one. Vivian -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:27:57 +0100, Alan wrote in message 5fe353c04d92459a9dbf8d42d1b97...@ajtmain: Thanks for the quick reply, and best wishes with the solution. Why oh why are MS compliers so pernickety? ..business strategy: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.2B.2B http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#OpenGL (...and only then, the next 3 immediately below #OpenGL: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.23.2FCLI http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#.NET http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#Java , I've seen people talk about doing FG things in C# here.) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:27:57 +0100, Alan wrote in message 5fe353c04d92459a9dbf8d42d1b97...@ajtmain: Thanks for the quick reply, and best wishes with the solution. Why oh why are MS compliers so pernickety? ..business strategy: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.2B.2B http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#OpenGL (...and only then, the next 3 immediately below #OpenGL: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.23.2FCLI http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#.NET http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#Java , I've seen people talk about doing FG things in C# here.) These are only dirty tricks when the bad guys do them. :-) Even the GPL has a lock you in strategy. Governments have a tendency to consolidate and accumulate power and lock the people into systems that allow the gov't to maintain it's control. If you are a MS employee you probably think MS's strategies are a good thing. If you are an open-source advocate you probably think the GPL strategy is a good thing. We as humans put a big emphasis on judging intent ... so in places like the court room, the final outcome or penalty often has a huge dependence on perceived intent. And our personal views of good lock in strategies versus bad lock in strategies also depend on our personal views and personal judgment of intent. (And that's purely my opinion ... ) :-) MS is only doing the same things that every other company is also doing. It's just that MS has been very successful, and their decisions and policies affect a lot of people and therefore they have drawn a lot more scrutiny and attention than most other businesses. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ From: Curtis Olson [mailto:curtol...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 15:30 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:27:57 +0100, Alan wrote in message 5fe353c04d92459a9dbf8d42d1b97...@ajtmain: Thanks for the quick reply, and best wishes with the solution. Why oh why are MS compliers so pernickety? ..business strategy: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.2B.2B http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#OpenGL (...and only then, the next 3 immediately below #OpenGL: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.23.2FCLI http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#.NET http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#Java , I've seen people talk about doing FG things in C# here.) These are only dirty tricks when the bad guys do them. :-) Even the GPL has a lock you in strategy. Governments have a tendency to consolidate and accumulate power and lock the people into systems that allow the gov't to maintain it's control. If you are a MS employee you probably think MS's strategies are a good thing. If you are an open-source advocate you probably think the GPL strategy is a good thing. We as humans put a big emphasis on judging intent ... so in places like the court room, the final outcome or penalty often has a huge dependence on perceived intent. And our personal views of good lock in strategies versus bad lock in strategies also depend on our personal views and personal judgment of intent. (And that's purely my opinion ... ) :-) MS is only doing the same things that every other company is also doing. It's just that MS has been very successful, and their decisions and policies affect a lot of people and therefore they have drawn a lot more scrutiny and attention than most other businesses. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.ukwrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. -- -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. Not a flame war :) Incidentallly, I've been also failing miserably at fixing this : my code rustiness shows badly in this instance :) Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.ukwrote: Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan -- *From:* Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 19 July 2009 17:23 *To:* FlightGear developers discussions *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. -- -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
No problems. My code-writing skills are even worse than they were when I retired. Once upon a time I thought that I had the hang of C++, but these days I think that I must have been mistaken. _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. Not a flame war :) Incidentallly, I've been also failing miserably at fixing this : my code rustiness shows badly in this instance :) Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Seneca questions
Thanks for pointing these out. Torsten Thank you ! Now , to work these SID/STARs :) -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Alan, Tim's fixes are now in CVS although not quite finished: you might have to add NOMINMAX to your pre-processor definitions. I'd be interested to hear how you get on. Vivian -Original Message- From: Alan Teeder [mailto:ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:52 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 No problems. My code-writing skills are even worse than they were when I retired. Once upon a time I thought that I had the hang of C++, but these days I think that I must have been mistaken. _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. Not a flame war :) Incidentallly, I've been also failing miserably at fixing this : my code rustiness shows badly in this instance :) Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] LFDF, wrong dimensions grass strip
Hi This afternoon I went to a very nice meeting at Couhé Verac in France, plenty of nice old planes :) Back home I tried to see how it looks in FG, and I found it with an error in the filed dimensions. http://imagebin.org/56447 left is generated by brisa's airport painter, right is the official VAC. top is seen in FG. it seems in FG, the strip is 492x66 feet, while it should be 1047x80 meters, so 3435x262 feet. So far I didn't manage to compile and use taxidraw, so I pass it here with the hope someone would give it a quick fix ! regards, Patrice -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] osg devel and Tims changes
Tim Moore wrote: Mathias Fröhlich wrote: Hi, With yesterdays checkin from Tim we need a more or less recent osg version to build flightgear. Tim promised to provide come conditional code to work around that. But I would suggest to just have a somehow recent osg version as a requirement for current simgear/flightgear development. Can we agree on that or shall we still require sg/fg built on osg-2.8? Tim, what is the actual osg development release we need to have? I just checked in changes that re-enable us to compile using osg 2.8. I tested against 2.8.2-rc4, but it should work with 2.8.0 and above. Soon there may be features that require a more recent OSG to work, but I agree that it would be nice to be able to run with 2.8. Tim -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel I am getting segmentation fault after updating osg trunk from svn, SimGear from cvs, and fgfs source from cvs. I also tried compiling against osg-2.8.2-rc4. I still get a segmentation fault right after loading aircraft completes. Dave P. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
And I forgot - you need to change #include simgear/math/SGMathFwd.hxx to #include simgear/math/SGMath.hxx in props.cxx -Original Message- From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 19 July 2009 23:47 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Alan, Tim's fixes are now in CVS although not quite finished: you might have to add NOMINMAX to your pre-processor definitions. I'd be interested to hear how you get on. Vivian -Original Message- From: Alan Teeder [mailto:ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:52 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 No problems. My code-writing skills are even worse than they were when I retired. Once upon a time I thought that I had the hang of C++, but these days I think that I must have been mistaken. _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. Not a flame war :) Incidentallly, I've been also failing miserably at fixing this : my code rustiness shows badly in this instance :) Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] OT: ..not MS business strategy ; o), was: [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:22:49 -0400, Nicolas wrote in message 808354800907190922n4853debbv75b7ebaaa3100...@mail.gmail.com: The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy ..Microsoft has _all_ the resources it might ever need to get their own compilers to do these things right, and it appears they have chosen _not_ to. ..instead, I see Microsoft prefers to refer to their habitual non-compliance to standards, as embrace and extend, which is what they, Microsoft, calls a Microsoft business strategy. ;o) ..whether or not that decision, by Microsoft, to embrace and extend C++ idioms, is some random accident, or, as I (and a few more) guess, by their book and in accordance with their business strategy, I don't know, I can only point towards Microsoft's own track record, which, as we all _can_ see (if we want to see), speaks _loudly_ on these matters. ;o) ..http://groklaw.net/ has all you might ever need, to form an educated and honorable opinion on that track record. ;o) And, is OT here at FG-dev, so let's FU at Groklaw. ;o) http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=displaysid=20090717043855128title=..my+guess+is,+Microsoft+is+going+after+the+Debian+etc+distro+mirror+donors.type=articleorder=hideanonymous=0pid=769578#c769950 Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... ..I gave a simple pointer to help answer a seemingly simple question that both is and is not quite that simple, to try help FlightGear developers from wasting time and effort on Microsoft compiler etc issues, that I have learned, Microsoft does not want fixed. ..und Sie? ;o) Sheesh !! ..you could say that on Debian.org's wisdom ;o) in making Mono and C# etc part of their default desktop install, and in putting them on their mirrors in the main repository, rather than in their non-free or contrib repositories, or even in a new donated-mirror-killer-litigation-bait category. Etc. And, is OT here at FG-dev. ;o) ..my own _guess_ is, Microsoft is targeting Debian thru its mirror _donors_, all it takes, are non-frivolous lawsuits on each donor, and for that you need something better than what tSCOG has made IBM, Novell, AutoZone, Chrysler and Red Hat spend the last 6 years on, http://groklaw.net/ tracks these cases. ..patent claims or copyright etc infringement claims, _will_ do the job, and let's face it, Microsoft does own .NET. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:43:41 -0400, Nicolas wrote in message 808354800907190943ic2f7c59g389bedc9eb3f1...@mail.gmail.com: Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site ..you refer to http://grokdoc.net/ and by extension http://groklaw.net/ . _That_ discussion is OT here at FG-dev, and a bit less OT on Debian User, so I'll FU there, and at Groklaw: ;o) http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=displaysid=20090717043855128title=..my+guess+is,+Microsoft+is+going+after+the+Debian+etc+distro+mirror+donors.type=articleorder=hideanonymous=0pid=769578#c769950 on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods ..so, let's find 'n fix them. ;o) being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. ..me, I'm prepared to believe all those stories sung by the Debian Mono, C# etc sirens about tech merit ;o), I just see a litigation threat, on Debian Mirror Donors. Which again, is is OT here at FG-dev and on-topic on Debian User, so I FU there. ;o) http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=displaysid=20090717043855128title=..my+guess+is,+Microsoft+is+going+after+the+Debian+etc+distro+mirror+donors.type=articleorder=hideanonymous=0pid=769578#c769950 Not a flame war :) ..bullshit. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
