Re: [Flightgear-devel] Placing offsets for centers

2010-01-18 Thread Innis Cunningham

Hi Torsten
Thanks for this.Having not done much with instrument or aircraft modeling
for some time now,years infact,I am having to learn all over again.

Cheers
Innis
 
> >  
> > I am just using the aileron property as a make shift to get the knobs to
> >  turn. My problem is the knobs rotate around the center as determined by
> >  the model statement above. It does not mater what I put in the 
> >  statement the knobs rotate around the same point. What am I missing here.
> > Thanks in advance
> 
> Hi Innis,
> 
> try this:
>  
>0.00
>0.171
>-0.007
>   
> 
> (notice the -m in the coordinates)
> 
> Torsten
 
  
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection in theFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:50:03 +0100, Gijs wrote in message 
:

> Hi,
> 
> > Scott wrote:
> > To help discussion, I've tried to list all the contemporary
> > "airliners" and give some idea of how much functionality (for
> > flying) is implemented.
>  
> 
> If we look at your status numbers, only the Concorde and 777-200ER
> are considered to be fairly completed. As the concorde cannot be
> considered as an "ordinary" airliner, I would vote for the 777-200ER,
> once again. It is pretty common all around the world.

..what if we toss out the "ordinary airliner" idea and go with 
the Concorde as an "historical airliner"?  It _is_ speedy sexy.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Win32-built -Towards the new Release

2010-01-18 Thread Benoît Laniel
Le mardi 12 janvier 2010 à 17:58 -0800, Alex Perry a écrit :
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Jari Häkkinen  wrote:
> > On 1/10/10 10:13 PM, Benoît Laniel wrote:
> >> I updated the snapshots and now have a functional (probably not bug
> >> free) terrasync with svn support built-in:
> >
> > Not really a win32-build issue but terrasync does not behave well with
> > svn built into it. When terrasync is killed it does not exit gracefully,
> > i.e., if the kill signal is not catched then the subversion command in
> > progress will lock the WC of tbe repository. In such cases the affected
> > repository will be locked when terrasync is run later. Terrasync will
> > report this to stdout (or stderr) and a 'svn cleanup' must be issued in
> > the affected WC of the repository.
> 
> The SVN library has hooks that are specifically for doing an unlock
> after signal capture, but I didn't put that in (at the time) because
> the patch was already pretty big.  Needs doing for the libsvn-based
> build.  Obviously, when built the other way, there isn't a problem
> because the command line "svn" does all that already.

I'll use the command line "svn" for next snapshots then.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection in theFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Gijs de Rooy

Hi,

> Scott wrote:
> To help discussion, I've tried to list all the contemporary "airliners" and 
> give some 
> idea of how much functionality (for flying) is implemented.

 

If we look at your status numbers, only the Concorde and 777-200ER are 
considered 
to be fairly completed. As the concorde cannot be considered as an "ordinary" 
airliner,
I would vote for the 777-200ER, once again. It is pretty common all around the 
world.

Cheers,
Gijs

PS: Durk, it might be nice to share atleast a week-of-release with us, so we 
know 
how much time we can work on fixing our stuff before the release...
  
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Win32-built -Towards the new Release

2010-01-18 Thread Benoît Laniel
Le dimanche 10 janvier 2010 à 22:13 +0100, Benoît Laniel a écrit :
> > Benoit Laniel's exe:
> > - Yasim seems to have a bug- the Bell UH1 doesn't work and produces a lot 
> > of ugly Nan's which crashes FGFS
> 
> Indeed. It seems to be a problem with nasal. I'll check that.

I think it was a bug in floating point precision. I uploaded a new
snapshot
http://blaniel.free.fr/pub/flightgear/snapshots/fgfs_win32_20100118.7z

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection in theFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi,

Very well done! 
Great comparison!

Regarding 737-900ER: it has a cockpit- but the wrong cockpit.
It uses the cockpit of a 777, wich is completly wrong. I don't think this one 
will be a good idea.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] error C5108 unknown semantics

2010-01-18 Thread S Andreason
Tim Moore wrote:
>
> But I am not running Ubuntu, and the sound is working, although it
> gets
> interrupted often, like when a forked process takes extra time and
> lowers the fps.
>
> What are you running?

Nothing in the background to cause outside interruptions, if that's what 
you ask.


>
> glLinkProgram "" FAILED
> Program "" infolog:
> Fragment info
> -
> (25) : error C5108: unknown semantics "FACE" specified for
> "gl_FrontFacing"
>
>
> Has anybody else seen this?
>
> Stewart
>
> What hardware?

Linux 2.6.24, libc 2.7, gcc-4.2.3, windowmaker 0.92.0, glib 2.18.4
AMD Sempron 3000, Nvidia FX5200, driver 173.14.18

>
> Try setting the environment variable OSG_NOTIFY_LEVEL=INFO.

Sure,

That makes a long file when capturing KSFO.
I did it again at a smaller airport, so this file is 1/4 the size.
http://seahorseCorral.org/bugreport/fgfs-results.KBLI.gz

Stewart


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Placing offsets for centers

2010-01-18 Thread Torsten Dreyer
>  
> I am just using the aileron property as a make shift to get the knobs to
>  turn. My problem is the knobs rotate around the center as determined by
>  the model statement above. It does not mater what I put in the 
>  statement the knobs rotate around the same point. What am I missing here.
> Thanks in advance

Hi Innis,

try this:
 
   0.00
   0.171
   -0.007
  

(notice the -m in the coordinates)

Torsten

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection in theFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Victhor
The tu154b model isn't GPL and its FDM has to be replaced with another
file(included) to work with CVS. Works fine here.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection in theFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 22:01 +, Heiko Schulz wrote:

> 
> 
> I'm sure it is easy, then the aircrafts has to be:
> 
> -under GNU GPL to fit into the Base package (So David Culp's aircrafts can't 
> be included)
> 
> -in CVS already - the Lockheed Lockheed L1049h  (the "h"-version!)is not yet 
> included into CVS!
> 
> My problem is the airliner part. The 777 hasn't been updated since Syd 
> decided to change the licence. And the AP isn't working anymore in 
> CVS-version.
> I don't see any alternatives. The 737-300 is still WIP and has only the old 
> 2d-panel working.
> The 787 hasn't been updated as well in CVS.
> The A380 hasn't been updated in CVS.
> 
> Maybe the 747-400, but this is still WIP, and not yet really functional 
> compared to the other aircrafts in the base package.
> 
> I vote for No Airliners for this release! 


To help discussion, I've tried to list all the contemporary "airliners"
and give some idea of how much functionality (for flying) is
implemented. 

Aircraft = model name (not necessarily exactly same as FG model name)
Status = 0 - basic flyable model,  1 - basic animations + some cockpit,
2 - 3D cockpit + quality fdm + AP,  3 - complete 3D cockpit + fine-tuned
autopilot and FDM + extras,  X - failed to load with git or CVS build
V2.0.0
Owner = authors name
CVS = not in CVS (none), work in progress with commits to CVS (WIP), CVS
doesn't match latest download (unsync), otherwise assumed Up-to-date in
CVS
License = assumed GPL if in CVS, otherwise download location


AircraftStatusOwnerCVSLicense/Download  
  Notes

737-100 1-2BARANGER 
737-300 1-2Culp, Cunningham, SchulzWIP
737-400  2 updated 737-300 NiTuS, Bisutti  none iEspana team
 (apparently still WIP)
737-800  1 Culp, Cunningham   
737-900ER   2-3xsaint, Adams   none   UnitedFreeWorld   
 (appears to use 777 cockpit components)
747-100  1 Jim Wilson, Andy Ross
747-200  1  uncredited
747-400 2-3Gijs de Rooy, Jentron   WIP  
(latest CVS update has .ac errors from pilot view)
777-200ER3 Justin Smithies, Syd Adams  unsync   personal site
787  X (3) Joshua Wilson
(YASim SOLUTION FAILURE)
A319 0 Malik Guest none from forums 
(fails to load sound)
A320 0 Ampere, Jonberg  from forums 
(seems based on A320-Family)
A320-111 0 Culp, Bouvier
(A320-family)
A320-131 0 Culp, Bouvier
(A320-family)
A330-200 0 Djeferson, Isaias Prestes   none personal site   
(unable to start, errors with .ac from pilot view)
A340-600 0 Liam Gathercole none personal site   
(currently being developed)
A380 2 Ampere,Cunningham,Dalvi,Hamilton unsync  from fg wiki
(WIP available outside CVS, dependant on V2.0 features)
CRJ-200 2-3Joshua Wilson   unsync   from forums 
(Nasal errors with V2.0.0)
dhc8-300Q1 Alex Park   unsync   from forums 
Fokker502-3Hofman, Andrews  
(malformed autopilot definition with V2.0.0 Git)
Fokker700-1Erik Hofman  
(malformed autopilot definition with V2.0.0 Git)
Fokker100   0-1Erik Hofman  
(malformed autopilot definition with V2.0.0 Git)
Concorde 3 uncredited   
(Nasal runtime error in autopilot, low frame-rate)
MRJ-90  0-1Tatsuhiro Nishioka  none personal site   
(WIP still??)
MD-110 Ampere Hardraade 
(malformed autopilot definition)
Tu-154b  X Yurik V. Nikiforoff  
(aborted load with "No node found for gear/left-brake-cmd-norm")
tu-154  0-1Pavlenko, Moderau, Okan, Savchenko   
ATR42-500   0-1Bourgeois, Kenning, Foster  none from forums 
ATR42-6000 Bourgeois, Kenning, Foster  none from forums 
(doesn't load very well)


 
So the most complete are; Concorde, 777-200ER, and from memory the 787
(I couldn't load the 787 with V2.0.0, and the 777-20ER is from Syd's
site)
the next level of completeness are; 737-900ER, 747-400, CRJ-200 and
Fokker50 (the 737-900ER is from UFW, 747-400 still in development)
and then the next level of adequate functionality; 737-400, A380 (both
are in active long-term development and not committed to CVS)

Now comes the subjective part, which aircraft are nice

[Flightgear-devel] Placing offsets for centers

2010-01-18 Thread Innis Cunningham

Hi All
I am trying to place a panel that has two knobs on it using the following in 
the aircraft models
xml file


panel
Aircraft/737-300/temp/du-panel.xml

-6.694
-0.0
0.90
0


In the du-panel.xml file I have this


  rotate
  knob1.003
  /controls/flight/aileron
  
0.00
0.5180
1.0360


  
   0.00
   0.171
   -0.007
  
  
   1.0
   0.0
   0.0
  
 
  
  rotate
  du-knob1-lh
  /controls/flight/aileron
  
0.00
0.5180
1.0360


  
   0.049
   -0.014
   -0.007
  
  
   1.0
   0.0
   0.0
  
 
I am just using the aileron property as a make shift to get the knobs to turn.
My problem is the knobs rotate around the center as determined by the model 
statement above.
It does not mater what I put in the  statement the knobs rotate around 
the same point.
What am I missing here.
Thanks in advance

Cheers
Innis
  
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection intheFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi Syd!


> I'd be willing to update the cvs 777
> , and keep it gpl . I guess this
> all boils down to me not fully understanding the GPL
> licence in the
> beginning.

Very nice to see! 

> I would appreciate a heads up from James on planned changes
> to the
> route manager / gps changes though , it creates extra work
> for me and
> I have a limited amount of free time to spend going through
> source
> code to sort things out.
> Any thoughts on the matter ?

Recently he has changed some things, so all aircrafts should work like before 
his changes. 
But I must admit that sometimes thing were a bit confusing, and without any 
clue about modern avionik, navigation instruments, autopilots etc. it is not 
easy to keep it realistic and working!


> By the way , I dont understand why (content) needs to be
> GPL since
> there is no source code to speak of.

I would like still to see a similar solution like www.x-plane.org- a central 
portal, place, where everyone can submit their work under the licence he want's 
to have. Nethertheless for the base package only the best aircrafts should be 
included under the known rules!

Cheers
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[Flightgear-devel] Broken lines in nav.dat

2010-01-18 Thread Andreas Gaeb
Hello everybody,

the recent CVS update of Navaids/nav.dat.gz (R1.10, Dec 20) seems to
have introduced some broken lines which cause Atlas to quit during
loading the file. FlightGear, however, seems unaffected.

Most of the broken lines are localizers where only one ICAO code was
given while the file format specifies two (localizer identifier and
airport code).
I fixed this by doubling the airport code. That is probably wrong, but I
am not an expert on navaids, and it does fix the problem with Atlas.
Maybe someone who knows more about it can provide a better solution. The
corresponding lines are 12062, 12103, 12393, 13389, 14125, 14255, 14372.

One other error is in line 13123 where the subtype LOC-GS is given,
while Atlas only understands LDA-GS. The file format specifies neither
of them (only LDA and LOC), so I just changed it to LDA-GS.

Attached is a patch against the unzipped nav.dat containing these changes.

Regards,
Andreas
12062c12062
< 4  47.49051500 -111.20608600   3526 10950  18 238.500  KGFA 21  ILS-cat-I
---
> 4  47.49051500 -111.20608600   3526 10950  18 238.500 KGFA KGFA 21  
> ILS-cat-I
12103c12103
< 4  38.85886700 -094.55694100   1090 10930  18  11.886  KGVW 01  ILS-cat-I
---
> 4  38.85886700 -094.55694100   1090 10930  18  11.886 KGVW KGVW 01  
> ILS-cat-I
12393c12393
< 4  46.5362 -087.54817000   1419 11050  18  76.841  KMQT 08  ILS-cat-I
---
> 4  46.5362 -087.54817000   1419 11050  18  76.841 KMQT KMQT 08  
> ILS-cat-I
13123c13123
< 4  47.25858900  011.34074400   1906 0  27 256.000 OEV  LOWI 26  LOC-GS
---
> 4  47.25858900  011.34074400   1906 0  27 256.000 OEV  LOWI 26  LDA-GS
13389c13389
< 4  70.33308600 -149.56581800 67 10970  18 107.900  PAKU 05  ILS-cat-I
---
> 4  70.33308600 -149.56581800 67 10970  18 107.900 PAKU PAKU 05  
> ILS-cat-I
14125c14125
< 5  45.29766700 -072.73483300375 11070  18  36.999  CZBM 05L LOC
---
> 5  45.29766700 -072.73483300375 11070  18  36.999 CZBM CZBM 05L LOC
14255c14255
< 5  35.27726300 -089.66926600312 11155  18 153.681  KLHC 15  LOC
---
> 5  35.27726300 -089.66926600312 11155  18 153.681 KLHC KLHC 15  LOC
14372c14372
< 5  70.25181500 -148.35802800 45 10970  18 106.500  PUO  05  SDF
---
> 5  70.25181500 -148.35802800 45 10970  18 106.500 PUO PUO  05  SDF
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection intheFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:38:43 +1100, Scott wrote in message 
<1263803923.2452.2.ca...@scott>:

> On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 09:29 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote:
> 
> > syd adams wrote:
> > > Ok , I understand it when put that way.
> > > I guess now my other question would be , is it conflicting to
> > > proceed with development
> > > under the cc licence on certain models?Can there be 2 versions ?
> > 
> > I see no reason why not, especially if it's your own work.
> 
> 
> 
> dual and triple licenses are not that un-common;
> 
> http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/

..me, I was _wondering_ about you guys and the Boost licensing: ;o)
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html

..GPL compatibility matrix:
http://gplv3.fsf.org/dd3-faq from:
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20050131065655645

> http://blogs.sun.com/theaquarium/entry/glassfish_and_cddl and the full
> text https://glassfish.dev.java.net/public/CDDL+GPL.html
> 
>I can't get my head around the impact, but it's certainly
> possible...

..the CDDL+GPL combination is certainly one to avoid, the CDDL 
is a litigation trap, and by design so, FSF's polite advice:
"Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL), version 1.0
This is a free software license. It has a copyleft with a scope that's
similar to the one in the Mozilla Public License, which makes it
incompatible with the GNU GPL. This means a module covered by the GPL
and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked together. We
urge you not to use the CDDL for this reason. Also unfortunate in the
CDDL is its use of the term “intellectual property”." from:
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection intheFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Scott Hamilton
On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 09:29 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote:

> syd adams wrote:
> > Ok , I understand it when put that way.
> > I guess now my other question would be , is it conflicting to proceed
> > with development
> > under the cc licence on certain models?Can there be 2 versions ?
> 
> I see no reason why not, especially if it's your own work.



dual and triple licenses are not that un-common;

http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/

http://blogs.sun.com/theaquarium/entry/glassfish_and_cddl and the full
text https://glassfish.dev.java.net/public/CDDL+GPL.html

   I can't get my head around the impact, but it's certainly possible...


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection intheFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread Erik Hofman
syd adams wrote:
> Ok , I understand it when put that way.
> I guess now my other question would be , is it conflicting to proceed
> with development
> under the cc licence on certain models?Can there be 2 versions ?

I see no reason why not, especially if it's your own work.

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nominations for Aircraft Selection intheFlightGear 2.0 Release

2010-01-18 Thread syd adams
Ok , I understand it when put that way.
I guess now my other question would be , is it conflicting to proceed
with development
under the cc licence on certain models?Can there be 2 versions ?


On 1/17/10, Erik Hofman  wrote:
> syd adams wrote:
>> By the way , I dont understand why (content) needs to be GPL since
>> there is no source code to speak of.
>
> GPL is important since the base package is likely to be included in
> linux distributions of which most are commercial.
>
> Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] error C5108 unknown semantics

2010-01-18 Thread Erik Hofman
S Andreason wrote:
> Hi Erik,
> 
> I have been getting this error since the last week of December, when the 
> first sound plays, gear-lock in my case. (Playing that sound is new 
> behavior I wonder how to stop.)
> 
> ALC Error (sound manager): ALC_INVALID_DEVICE at load file

Geoff mentioned the same, I still have to investigate this. At a first 
glimpse it's not an obvious error so I need to do some testing.

Erik

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