Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use underthe FlightGear umbrella ?

2012-03-12 Thread Alan Teeder
-Original Message- From: Martin Spott Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:00 AM Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use underthe FlightGear umbrella ?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Alan Teeder wrote: From: Martin Spott http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 The original question did refer to paper maps. Indeed, so why doesn't this jerk just develop a sensible on-topic reply instead of posting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Johannes Ebke
Dear Martin, I disagree that you sign a contract when looking at printed maps. You cannot establish a contract by stating: by looking at this map, you agree to X Y and Z. However, at least in Germany where the original question came from, there are separate laws protecting Geodata from reuse,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Johannes, Johannes Ebke wrote: On 12.03.2012 09:38, Martin Spott wrote: The issue in question, neither with Google imagery nor with most printed maps, is _not_ about Copyright. Instead, by buying a printed map or by using Google Earth, you're signing a contract over how you're allowed to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Monday 12 March 2012 11:17:05 Martin Spott wrote: No, not by looking at a map, but by buying a printed map - which is what I stated above. Since you hardly get your hands onto commercial, printed maps (which I believe is the item we're talking about) without the act of buying the media,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Stefan Seifert wrote: For example at least in Germany and Austria but problably most of Europe, these Terms of Use printed on the map are no more legally binding than an End User License Agreement which many programs display on first start. That is because in these jurisdictions, one

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination

2012-03-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:51:16 -0700, syd wrote in message CABS5FFOT8DrHfY63Aw=keqvrb7oh31qjg0fymgxjny2efps...@mail.gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Syd, That was a hack from the very early days of the project, so if it went away, it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: Stefan Seifert wrote: For example at least in Germany and Austria but problably most of Europe, these Terms of Use printed on the map are no more legally binding than an End User License Agreement which many programs display on first start. That is because in these

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination

2012-03-12 Thread syd adams
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Robin van Steenbergen
There is a big difference between republishing a printed work and using it for a derivative, such as deducting measurements from a (paper) map to make a computer model of the streets or buildings which are also represented on the map. First off, in the case of a direct republish, the map's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Robin van Steenbergen wrote: In case of a building or airport modeled off a map, how is the original map-maker going to recognize that the runway (12000ft long) was actually derived from *his* map? I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the terms of use of a map should always be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Robin van Steenbergen
Op 12-3-2012 14:33, Martin Spott schreef: Robin van Steenbergen wrote: In case of a building or airport modeled off a map, how is the original map-maker going to recognize that the runway (12000ft long) was actually derived from *his* map? I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Robin van Steenbergen wrote: Op 12-3-2012 14:33, Martin Spott schreef: I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the terms of use of a map should always be considered as being illegal and therefore unwelcomed (particularly in FlightGear land), no matter wether the map-maker can actually

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Robin van Steenbergen
Op 12-3-2012 15:26, Martin Spott schreef: That's an interesting case and we probably had a similar one recently in Germany. Did they try to sue anyone who *published* these photographs (on their private Picasa/Flickr/Panoramio or other albums) or just those who *sold* photographs ? Cheers,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread TDO Brandano
I think that the licence status notice on Wikipedia's Atomium photograph page pretty much explains it all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atomium_20-08-07.jpg Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:17:55 +0100 From: stone...@stoneynet.nl To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Alan Teeder
-Original Message- From: Robin van Steenbergen Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:17 PM To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use They actually tried to sue anyone who published photographs of the Atomium, either on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
Check this: http://atomium.be/?lang=en#/AuthorsRights.aspx?lang=en That's the power of aberration, abuse of rights, abuse of free expression/freedom... and whatever you may imagine. About any software (including googlemaps/google earth) which put in abusive protective license. Add in, no reverse

[Flightgear-devel] Landcover Contribution

2012-03-12 Thread Roberto Inzerillo
Since I'm willing to contribute to the landscape improvement (my area is very poorly covered) I'm wondering if the informations at http://wiki.flightgear.org/Howto:_Create_custom_scenery are still valid. -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone!

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?

2012-03-12 Thread Andreas-Z
Hi, I'm the one who asked about the legal situation of using elevation data from a topographic map. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 I checked with the institution that provides these maps and they said they're _not_

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Landcover Contribution

2012-03-12 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi Roberto, Since I'm willing to contribute to the landscape improvement (my area is very poorly covered) I'm wondering if the informations at http://wiki.flightgear.org/Howto:_Create_custom_scenery are still valid. That tutorial should still work. I've updated it last year to QGIS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?

2012-03-12 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Am 12.03.2012 18:25, schrieb andrea...@gmx.net: Hi, I'm the one who asked about the legal situation of using elevation data from a topographic map. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 I checked with the institution

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Landcover Contribution

2012-03-12 Thread Roberto Inzerillo
Il 12/03/2012 18:56, Gijs de Rooy ha scritto: Hi Roberto, Since I'm willing to contribute to the landscape improvement (my area is very poorly covered) I'm wondering if the informations at http://wiki.flightgear.org/Howto:_Create_custom_scenery

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Landcover Contribution

2012-03-12 Thread Gijs de Rooy
I don't know about the actual merge with existing scenery, other should answer that question ;) That's my area as FlightGear Landcover-DB-VMap0: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/map/?lon=13.33004lat=38.18341zoom=12layers=0B00TFFTTFFF That's the same area as seen by Google maps:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Landcover Contribution

2012-03-12 Thread Roberto Inzerillo
I don't know about the actual merge with existing scenery, other should answer that question ;) So you tell me I should simply create new shapefiles (not caring about the current scenery) and submit them to papillon81 and statto? That's my area as FlightGear Landcover-DB-VMap0: ... And

[Flightgear-devel] Wordmark terrasync

2012-03-12 Thread HB-GRAL
Hi all Just wanted to add a note once that a company in the U.S. is trying to register terrasync as a wordmark. Maybe it is not worth to think about, anyway I am not familiar with this kind of happenings. But I was asked to post this to the list, so it’s here. Cheers, Yves

[Flightgear-devel] GPS and other items merge requests to commit.

2012-03-12 Thread Clement de l'Hamaide
Hi all, I would like to give my support to Olivier about the merge request : https://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/merge_requests/139 This merge request contains the Garmin GPS196. I use it in real life with my aircraft and I'd take pleased to see it in fgdata. I invite anybody with commit's right