Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compute ground elevation dynamically for STG format

2012-08-25 Thread Clement de l'Hamaide

Hi Mathias,

I understand that the fact to compute the elevation every time scenery is 
loaded is not a way to improve loading time.
X-Plane give the possibility to compute the elevation of an object, FSX do the 
same, and FlyLegacy do the same. Only FG require absolutely the elevation of 
object.
If other simulator do that, why FG can't do that ? I haven't heard that FSX 
scenery loading take 1 hour or X-Plane scenery loading take 1 hour, therefore 
the feature is available. Thus I think we can test to implement the feature and 
see if the loading time is really impacted. If other simulator have reasonable 
time of loading with this feature, why FG can't have the same reasonable time 
of loading with this feature ?

I keep in mind that the time of loading can be impacted, but I would like to 
test the feature before to say No it's not possible because the loading time 
will increase enormously!

About the boost library, I done this choice because I thought it was better for 
computation. But as I said I'm only a little C++ programmer and if you say : 
don't use boost for this feature is better. I trust you ;)
I'm totally open to other solutions. The important part in this feature is 
really to leave FG compute the elevation of the object if the user don't give 
the elevation data.

To be honest, the little git diff provided in my precedent mail take me 1 day 
and 1 night (I'm definitely not a good C++ programmer). You say that you can 
implement the complete feature in 1 or 2 hours. In this way it's maybe better 
that I stop to code on my side and leave you implement this.
In this way you use the technique that you want/prefer.

After reading your mail, it seems that my choices and technical solution are 
not appropriate at all.
You introduce another solution : OBJECT_SHARED_AGL 
Models/Communications/radio-medium.xml -121.287778 37.008056 2.30 
180 0.0 0.0
As I said I'm open to every solution, if you think that it's better to use this 
solution I'm ok. your solution give the same possibility than my solution 
(indicate ground elevation + optional offset) But with your solution we can 
skip these line in case of use of a viewer (as you speak about a future viewer) 
with a simple condition like : IF ( viewer is used ) { skip OBJECT_SHARED_AGL  
OBJECT_STATIC_AGL line }

With this feature I really want to be independent of the terrain elevation. A 
lot of scenery exist everywhere on the web and use different terrain elevation. 
This feature is a real solution to these problem of different terrain 
elevation. 
Also this feature give the possibility to use external tools for object 
positioning. For example this tools : 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dajvfna0CaM Moreover this feature give the 
possibility to user to use objects distributed by TerraSync out of the terrain 
distributed by TerraSync, and it works also in reverse, TerraSync can use 
object that are not specially placed with TerraSync terrain. In this way 
TerraSync is winner with this feature.
With all these elements and elements in my precedent mail I can affirm you that 
this feature is really welcome. Also if other Flight Sim have implemented this 
feature it's because it's useful.

Are you able to propose your technical solution and start to write some C++ 
lines ? or can we experiment my changes since I have already started to write 
some C++ lines ?

Let me know what are you ready to do, your plan, your solution. Even if I'm not 
the coder, I'm interested by your choices and solutions for this feature.

Cheers,
Clément
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata merge request 91:Animated Jetways

2012-08-25 Thread A Person
Martin,

I can assure you that I do care. Over the past several months, life
has been really occupying me and I have not had much time to check
email or keep up with the FlightGear mailing list. Sorry for missing
your messages; the only reason I was able to catch this one was
because a friend on IRC informed me of it.

Feel free to discuss the problems with the jetways. I _did_ push a
small maintenance commit before 2.8 was released; as of now, they
should work fine.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote:
 Hi, if anybody meets Ryan Miller, please let him know that there appear
 to be issues with the current state of the Jetways.
 I've tried to get in contact with him several times over the past
 months, but never got a response - I have no idea wether his EMail
 address changed or if he just doesn't care.

 Cheers,
 Martin.
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