Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Chris Forbes
I still think we need another license for sceneries etc. ... not allowing any commmercial use. Why? Freedom Zero matters just as much for things other than code. -- Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Erik Hofman
On 09/05/2012 07:50 AM, Michael wrote: No, FlightProSim and whatever they're called. I still think we need another license for sceneries etc. Anything but code should be possible to license similar to GPL, but not allowing any commmercial use. Disallowing commercial use means Linux

[Flightgear-devel] Compiling 2.8.0

2012-09-05 Thread zezinho
hi, I am trying to package 2.8.0 in my Linux Mageia system, which already brings 2.6.0 in rpms. The 2.8 compilation fails with below error, any hints please? Is it a new build dependency? [ 4%] Building CXX object src/FDM/YASim/CMakeFiles/yasim.dir/FGFDM.cpp.o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] FlightGear branch, next, updated. 1dbc2c83e5c0514b1a51eb0c2aee9f6dbe577492

2012-09-05 Thread James Turner
On 4 Sep 2012, at 23:09, Flightgear-commitlogs wrote: commit 6745d27691039e2ce477b2e823dbae6c59bc5d00 Author: ThorstenB Date: Tue Sep 4 23:57:25 2012 +0200 #858: Fix loading issue with aircraft models in --fg-aircraft directories Something after FG 2.8.0 has broken loading

Re: [Flightgear-devel] strange screen

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair
On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 22:14 +0100, Alasdair wrote: On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 21:58 +0100, Alasdair wrote: On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 22:34 +0200, Frederic Bouvier wrote: If you start FG with --log-level=debug --log-class=view you'll be able to see messages like :

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling 2.8.0

2012-09-05 Thread Chris Forbes
Looks like its not bothering to link against libm (the system math library) On 5/09/2012 7:53 PM, zezinho lists.jjo...@free.fr wrote: hi, I am trying to package 2.8.0 in my Linux Mageia system, which already brings 2.6.0 in rpms. The 2.8 compilation fails with below error, any hints please?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: On 09/05/2012 07:50 AM, Michael wrote: No, FlightProSim and whatever they're called. I still think we need another license for sceneries etc. Anything but code should be possible to license similar to GPL, but not allowing any commmercial

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread James Turner
On 5 Sep 2012, at 09:06, Stuart Buchanan wrote: On a practical note I'd also point out that some FG development has been paid for through the commercial use of FG. In the past I've been paid to develop simulations for my local museum of flight, the results of which have been fed back into

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] FlightGear branch, next, updated. 1dbc2c83e5c0514b1a51eb0c2aee9f6dbe577492

2012-09-05 Thread Alan Teeder
I can confirm that it (--fg-aircraft directories)was broken,and was about to investigate further when ThorstenB made it work again. Thanks. I think that the bug appeared very recently, perhaps within the last 2 weeks, but cannot be 100% sure when Alan -Original Message- From: James

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Scott
While we are on the topic, I'd like to take a different perspective. There are a number of source data files (eg: national SRTM-1 data) that is provided under Creative Commons with license terms very similar as GPL, however it isn't GPL, but it would appear to have the same aims as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 05.09.12 11:52, schrieb Scott: While we are on the topic, I'd like to take a different perspective. There are a number of source data files (eg: national SRTM-1 data) that is provided under Creative Commons with license terms very similar as GPL, however it isn't GPL, but it would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Scott
On Wed, 2012-09-05 at 12:11 +0200, HB-GRAL wrote: Am 05.09.12 11:52, schrieb Scott: While we are on the topic, I'd like to take a different perspective. There are a number of source data files (eg: national SRTM-1 data) that is provided under Creative Commons with license terms

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Martin Spott
Scott wrote: So my question then is, what path is there to incorporate CC content in scenery that must be GPL??? Under the this is no legal advice-clause I'd say it should allow derived works to be published under the GPL. BTW, I'm uncertain if we're having the same SRTM-1 in mind. The last

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Scott
On Wed, 2012-09-05 at 10:35 +, Martin Spott wrote: Scott wrote: So my question then is, what path is there to incorporate CC content in scenery that must be GPL??? Under the this is no legal advice-clause I'd say it should allow derived works to be published under the GPL. All

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Martin Spott
Scott wrote: But more seriously, I'm no license guru, and you picked one of the main points I'm not clear on, the original CC in this example is Share-alike and Derived works allowed with attribution. It really depends on the particular phrasing in license text. One of the - various - reasons

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Renk Thorsten
Hence I would use the same license to keep off scammers. (...) Anything but code should be possible to license similar to GPL, but not allowing any commmercial use. My two cents: First of all, define your use of 'scammer' here. From Wikipedia, I get A confidence trick is also known as a con

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Martin Spott
Renk Thorsten wrote: FlightProSim does not defraud its customers as far as I am aware. According to reports on this very list (hint) and elsewhere they don't comply with the money-back guarantee they advertize. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Curtis Olson
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Renk Thorsten wrote: FlightProSim does not defraud its customers as far as I am aware. According to reports on this very list (hint) and elsewhere they don't comply with the money-back guarantee they advertize. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Renk Thorsten
FlightProSim does not defraud its customers as far as I am aware. According to reports on this very list (hint) and elsewhere they don't comply with the money-back guarantee they advertize. Well, since there's always small-print (which I don't know) I would leave that to the courts to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] strange screen

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair
I have narrowed this problem down further. Comment out: instrumentation n=0 pathAircraft/c172p/Systems/instrumentation.xml/path /instrumentation in c172p-set.xml Similarly instrumentation pathAircraft/b1900d/Systems/instrumentation.xml/path

Re: [Flightgear-devel] strange screen

2012-09-05 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Alasdair wrote: I have narrowed this problem down further. Comment out: instrumentation n=0 pathAircraft/c172p/Systems/instrumentation.xml/path /instrumentation in c172p-set.xml Similarly instrumentation

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread geneb
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Martin Spott wrote: Renk Thorsten wrote: FlightProSim does not defraud its customers as far as I am aware. According to reports on this very list (hint) and elsewhere they don't comply with the money-back guarantee they advertize. Nor do they comply with the GPL from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] strange screen

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair
On Wed, 2012-09-05 at 15:47 +0200, Anders Gidenstam wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Alasdair wrote: I have narrowed this problem down further. Comment out: instrumentation n=0 pathAircraft/c172p/Systems/instrumentation.xml/path /instrumentation in c172p-set.xml

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Renk Thorsten
We haven't been able to pin them down on a specific technical violation of the gpl, but that doesn't mean they are legitimate, honorable, and ethical. They're immoral scammers, plain and simple. It galls me to speak up for FlightProSim, but such statements are, as far as I am concerned, not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Curtis Olson
Thorsten, I think you are over analyzing these guys and giving them far too much credit. I think the truth is simpler. They only make sales by misleading the customer into thinking they are getting something else. They cast a wide net of shady tactics. So the situation (I believe) is closer to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread geneb
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Renk Thorsten wrote: We haven't been able to pin them down on a specific technical violation of the gpl, but that doesn't mean they are legitimate, honorable, and ethical. They're immoral scammers, plain and simple. It galls me to speak up for FlightProSim, but such

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread syd adams
. If it was up to me, they'd be tightly wrapped in wet leather and left in the hot sun as an example to others considering similar things. I'd be more than happy to assist you with that. Syd -- Live Security Virtual

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling 2.8.0

2012-09-05 Thread Jose Jorge
Le 05/09/2012 10:06, Chris Forbes a écrit : Looks like its not bothering to link against libm (the system math library) Thank you, but how can I try to force this link? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive

[Flightgear-devel] Fgrun and canvas demo

2012-09-05 Thread Alan Teeder
The current version of FGRun crashes when the C172p canvas demo aircraft is selected. Also Fgrun has moved from SVN to Git. However on the fg forum someone cannot git pull from git://gitorious.org/fg/fgrun.git. I have found that https://git.gitorious.org/fg/fgrun.git works fine. (All this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling 2.8.0

2012-09-05 Thread Olaf Flebbe
Hi, You can force it by changing the TARGET_LINK_LIBRARIES definition in src/Canvas/ShivaVG/src/CMakeLists.txt to TARGET_LINK_LIBRARIES( ShivaVG ${OPENGL_gl_LIBRARY} ${OPENGL_glu_LIBRARY} m ) i.e. the line with the m on it. But I am wondering why your libGL does not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] strange screen

2012-09-05 Thread Alasdair
On Wed, 2012-09-05 at 15:06 +0100, Alasdair wrote: On Wed, 2012-09-05 at 15:47 +0200, Anders Gidenstam wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Alasdair wrote: I have narrowed this problem down further. Comment out: instrumentation n=0 pathAircraft/c172p/Systems/instrumentation.xml/path

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear at TU Delft

2012-09-05 Thread Jan Comans
Hello all, Since this is my first post here, I'll quickly introduce myself. My name is Jan Comans and I am currently a PhD student at the Delft University of Technology with the Control and Simulation (CS) department. My main focus is on Human-Machine Interaction. Next to my main research, every

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] FlightGear branch, next, updated. 1dbc2c83e5c0514b1a51eb0c2aee9f6dbe577492

2012-09-05 Thread ThorstenB
I'm very suspicious of this - I don't think there's been any post 2.8 commit that could change such a core behaviour. (I don't read every single commit in detail, but I look at the summaries) The change is certainly valid, but I'd be much happier knowing why it worked before and what broke

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-commitlogs] FlightGear branch, next, updated. 1dbc2c83e5c0514b1a51eb0c2aee9f6dbe577492

2012-09-05 Thread James Turner
On 5 Sep 2012, at 21:13, ThorstenB wrote: The XML reader relies on osgDB to resolve paths now. If osgDB::findDataFile cannot find the file, it returns , in which case SGModelLib::findDataFile cannot search any additional directories. So, maybe osgDB::findDataFile doesn't know about extra

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
..if these scammers feel slandered by that, scammers, they are entitled to file lawsuits. ..the reason they don't, is they and their lawyers knows the truth is an allowable and complete defense, and that judges often award litigation costs to the prevailing decent truthful people, and to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fgrun and canvas demo

2012-09-05 Thread Thomas Geymayer
Am 2012-09-05 21:03, schrieb Alan Teeder: The current version of FGRun crashes when the C172p canvas demo aircraft is selected. Should be fixed now. Tom -- Thomas Geymayer www.tomprogs.at / C-Forum und Tutorial: www.proggen.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear at TU Delft

2012-09-05 Thread ThorstenB
However, in the past couple of weeks ( after a graphics card update for our simulator) we started working with FlightGear 2.8. Thanks a lot for your report! It's really nice and motivating to see FlightGear being used for serious (research) projects and not just for fun/gaming. And a full

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fgrun and canvas demo

2012-09-05 Thread Alan Teeder
-Original Message- From: Thomas Geymayer Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:20 PM To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fgrun and canvas demo Am 2012-09-05 21:03, schrieb Alan Teeder: The current version of FGRun crashes when the C172p

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Ron Jensen
On Wednesday 05 September 2012 05:04:06 Martin Spott wrote: Scott wrote: But more seriously, I'm no license guru, and you picked one of the main points I'm not clear on, the original CC in this example is Share-alike and Derived works allowed with attribution. It really depends on the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] license

2012-09-05 Thread Martin Spott
Ron Jensen wrote: On Wednesday 05 September 2012 05:04:06 Martin Spott wrote: It really depends on the particular phrasing in license text. One of the - various - reasons for not providing 'official' FlightGear Scenery with OSM roads is the clause in CC-BY-SA 2.0, which says: If you