Re: [Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-30 Thread Vivian Meazza
jean pellotier wrote

 
 we did a scenario that use the carrier type to make an arresting cable
 with a flols working, at LFRJ airport (Landivisiau, France), but if we
 check the turn to wind button the cable and the flols are moving,
 considered like a normal carrier.
 Is there a way to make it fix relative to the ground, or the only way is
 to never use turn to wind?
 i join the scenario file (LFRJ_wires_demo.xml)

 
 Concerning the flols, last two red lights (the lowests) taking part of
 the wave off are not in the right place, compared to the flols model, as
 you can see here:
 
 http://wiki.flightgear.org/images/thumb/9/9d/Carrier5.jpg/800px-
 Carrier5.jpg
 
 here's a patch to synch them, that seems to be an inversion between y
 and z axis,here's the result:
 
 http://fr.flightgear.tuxfamily.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?cache=cachew=900h=6
 70media=school:move:porte-avion:flols:waveoff-nimitz.jpg
 
 have a nice landing on Nimitz
 

Thanks for the input on the flols. I'm not sure what the issue is with
putting it ashore. Does it move in some way? Checking the turn into wind
will make it turn into wind, so the best way of avoiding this bug is not to
check turn into wind :-).

I'll fix the error in the Wave Off Lights soonest - thanks for the patch.

Vivian




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Re: [Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-30 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote

 jean pellotier wrote
 
 
  we did a scenario that use the carrier type to make an arresting cable
  with a flols working, at LFRJ airport (Landivisiau, France), but if we
  check the turn to wind button the cable and the flols are moving,
  considered like a normal carrier.
  Is there a way to make it fix relative to the ground, or the only way is
  to never use turn to wind?
  i join the scenario file (LFRJ_wires_demo.xml)
 
 
  Concerning the flols, last two red lights (the lowests) taking part of
  the wave off are not in the right place, compared to the flols model, as
  you can see here:
 
  http://wiki.flightgear.org/images/thumb/9/9d/Carrier5.jpg/800px-
  Carrier5.jpg
 
  here's a patch to synch them, that seems to be an inversion between y
  and z axis,here's the result:
 
 
 http://fr.flightgear.tuxfamily.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?cache=cachew=900h=6
  70media=school:move:porte-avion:flols:waveoff-nimitz.jpg
 
  have a nice landing on Nimitz
 
 
 Thanks for the input on the flols. I'm not sure what the issue is with
 putting it ashore. Does it move in some way? Checking the turn into wind
 will make it turn into wind, so the best way of avoiding this bug is not
 to
 check turn into wind :-).
 
 I'll fix the error in the Wave Off Lights soonest - thanks for the patch.
 

The Wave Off Lights 71 and 72 are in the correct position as measured in
AC3D. The patch is therefore an incorrect solution to the problem which you
are seeing. 

The cause of the problem is not obvious, but I can reproduce it here. I'll
look into it some more to try to come up with a proper solution.

Vivian





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Re: [Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-30 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote

 
  jean pellotier wrote
 
  
   we did a scenario that use the carrier type to make an arresting cable
   with a flols working, at LFRJ airport (Landivisiau, France), but if we
   check the turn to wind button the cable and the flols are moving,
   considered like a normal carrier.
   Is there a way to make it fix relative to the ground, or the only way
 is
   to never use turn to wind?
   i join the scenario file (LFRJ_wires_demo.xml)
 
 
   Concerning the flols, last two red lights (the lowests) taking part of
   the wave off are not in the right place, compared to the flols model,
 as
   you can see here:
  
   http://wiki.flightgear.org/images/thumb/9/9d/Carrier5.jpg/800px-
   Carrier5.jpg
  
   here's a patch to synch them, that seems to be an inversion between y
   and z axis,here's the result:
  
  
 
 http://fr.flightgear.tuxfamily.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?cache=cachew=900h=6
   70media=school:move:porte-avion:flols:waveoff-nimitz.jpg
  
   have a nice landing on Nimitz
  
 
  Thanks for the input on the flols. I'm not sure what the issue is with
  putting it ashore. Does it move in some way? Checking the turn into wind
  will make it turn into wind, so the best way of avoiding this bug is not
  to
  check turn into wind :-).
 
  I'll fix the error in the Wave Off Lights soonest - thanks for the
 patch.
 
 
 The Wave Off Lights 71 and 72 are in the correct position as measured in
 AC3D. The patch is therefore an incorrect solution to the problem which
 you
 are seeing.
 
 The cause of the problem is not obvious, but I can reproduce it here. I'll
 look into it some more to try to come up with a proper solution.
 

OK - Wave Off Lights 71, 72 were in the wrong position, as were 61, 62,
which confused me. Fixed now in cvs - please check that the problem is
solved for you.

Vivian



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-30 Thread jean pellotier
Vivian Meazza a écrit :


 OK - Wave Off Lights 71, 72 were in the wrong position, as were 61, 62,
 which confused me. Fixed now in cvs - please check that the problem is
 solved for you.

   
now 71 and 72 are in the right place, but 61 and 62 are in the same 
place as 51 and 52, so there's missing two lights ...
 setting 51 and 52 this way did the job:

model
nameWave-Off-51/name
pathModels/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/wave-off.xml/path
offsets
x-m0.1/x-m
y-m0.77/y-m
z-m-0.39/z-m
/offsets
/model
model
nameWave-Off-52/name
pathModels/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/wave-off.xml/path
offsets
x-m0.1/x-m
y-m-0.77/y-m
z-m-0.39/z-m
/offsets
/model

have a nice day :)

jano


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-30 Thread Vivian Meazza
jean pellotier wrote

 
 Vivian Meazza a écrit :
 
 
  OK - Wave Off Lights 71, 72 were in the wrong position, as were 61, 62,
  which confused me. Fixed now in cvs - please check that the problem is
  solved for you.
 
 
 now 71 and 72 are in the right place, but 61 and 62 are in the same
 place as 51 and 52, so there's missing two lights ...
  setting 51 and 52 this way did the job:
 
 model
 nameWave-Off-51/name
 pathModels/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/wave-off.xml/path
 offsets
 x-m0.1/x-m
 y-m0.77/y-m
 z-m-0.39/z-m
 /offsets
 /model
 model
 nameWave-Off-52/name
 pathModels/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/wave-off.xml/path
 offsets
 x-m0.1/x-m
 y-m-0.77/y-m
 z-m-0.39/z-m
 /offsets
 /model
 
 have a nice day :)
 

So they are - fixed in cvs (I hope) - try again

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-30 Thread jean pellotier
Vivian Meazza a écrit :
 So they are - fixed in cvs (I hope) - try again


   
that's ok for me, thanks.

jano



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-30 Thread Vivian Meazza
jean pellotier wrote

 Vivian Meazza a écrit :
  So they are - fixed in cvs (I hope) - try again
 
 
 
 that's ok for me, thanks.
 

Glad that we've fixed that - it must have been that way for several years.
But what is the real issue with the demo? I couldn't get it to work here -
doesn't it need the model as well?

I imagine that you would really like a new AI Object which is a subset of
the AICarrier, rather than your current hack?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-30 Thread jean pellotier
Vivian Meazza a écrit :


 Glad that we've fixed that - it must have been that way for several years.
 But what is the real issue with the demo? I couldn't get it to work here -
 doesn't it need the model as well?

   
oh sorry, i didn't gave you all needed to do it working, here's what's 
missing:

first the scenary used (7M)needed to have cable in the suitable hight:

http://janodesbois.free.fr/doc/meeting-08-2008.tar.gz

it contains terrain  with little differents with scenery 1.0, so i 
recommend to uncompress it where you want and to give his path with 
something like that: 
--fg-scenery=path/to/meeting-08-2008:path/to/data/scenery

and here's all the 3D models needed for the 4 airports and lot of planes 
low-poly, included the scenario (37M) :
http://janodesbois.free.fr/doc/data.tar.gz

or only the files needed for the scenario: 
http://janodesbois.free.fr/doc/scenario-LFRJ.tar.gz

then just start at LFRJ with the LFRJ_wires_demo.xml enabled!

for french users:

 
http://fr.flightgear.tuxfamily.org/doku.php?id=meeting:representations:03-08-2008

 I imagine that you would really like a new AI Object which is a subset of
 the AICarrier, rather than your current hack?
   
yes that would be cool, the most important would be that all the 
coordonnes shouldn't need to be relative, but given as  the ufo's output.
for me a flols who can work alone, and the same for the cable would be 
perfect, but i'm not specialist!
and one more thing about using the carrier for ground arresting cable, 
it is impossible to give a roll in the scenario file, because the first 
seconds the boat fdm make it flat
 
jano, trying to catch a wire navigating through the ground





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[Flightgear-devel] about the carrier used in scenario

2008-07-29 Thread jean pellotier

hi all

we did a scenario that use the carrier type to make an arresting cable 
with a flols working, at LFRJ airport (Landivisiau, France), but if we 
check the turn to wind button the cable and the flols are moving, 
considered like a normal carrier.
Is there a way to make it fix relative to the ground, or the only way is 
to never use turn to wind?

i join the scenario file (LFRJ_wires_demo.xml)

Concerning the flols, last two red lights (the lowests) taking part of 
the wave off are not in the right place, compared to the flols model, as 
you can see here:


http://wiki.flightgear.org/images/thumb/9/9d/Carrier5.jpg/800px-Carrier5.jpg

here's a patch to synch them, that seems to be an inversion between y 
and z axis,here's the result:


http://fr.flightgear.tuxfamily.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?cache=cachew=900h=670media=school:move:porte-avion:flols:waveoff-nimitz.jpg

have a nice landing on Nimitz

jano




?xml version=1.0?

PropertyList
scenario
  description
Arrestor Cables for training of landing in a aircraft carrier.

park-1 is a parking position for Heavy Military Aicraft
park-2 is a parking position for Military Jet
!-- park-3 is for a civilian aircraft /--
  /description
  entry
typecarrier/type
nameLFRJ-bak26-1/name
	modelAI/Airports/LFRJ/BAK26+flols.xml/model
TACAN-channel-ID098Y/TACAN-channel-ID
	wireline/wire
	latitude48.53306323/latitude
	longitude-4.137254038/longitude
	altitude335.4462275/altitude
	heading253.32/heading
	flols-pos
		x-offset-m25/x-offset-m
		y-offset-m-30/y-offset-m
		z-offset-m1.8/z-offset-m --
/flols-pos
	
	max-lat0/max-lat
	min-lat0/min-lat
	max-long0/max-long
min-long0/min-long
 /entry
 entry
	  typecarrier/type
	  nameLFRJ-bak08-1/name
	  modelAI/Airports/LFRJ/BAK08+flols.xml/model
	  TACAN-channel-ID098Y/TACAN-channel-ID
	  wireline/wire
	  latitude48.52714689/latitude
	  longitude-4.166412234/longitude
	  altitude334.8964534/altitude
	  heading73.32/heading
	  
	  flols-pos
		  x-offset-m25/x-offset-m
		  y-offset-m-30/y-offset-m
		  z-offset-m1.5/z-offset-m
	  /flols-pos
	  parking-pos
		  namepark-1/name
		  heading-offset-deg10/heading-offset-deg
		  x-offset-m365/x-offset-m
		  y-offset-m610/y-offset-m
		  z-offset-m-2/z-offset-m
	  /parking-pos
	  !-- Military Jets /--
	  parking-pos
		  namepark-2/name
		  heading-offset-deg190/heading-offset-deg
		  x-offset-m252/x-offset-m
		  y-offset-m600/y-offset-m
		  z-offset-m0/z-offset-m
	  /parking-pos
	  !-- Civilian Aircrafts /--
	  !-- parking-pos
		  namepark-3/name
		  heading-offset-deg0/heading-offset-deg
		  x-offset-m200/x-offset-m
		  y-offset-m-600/y-offset-m
		  z-offset-m0/z-offset-m
	  /parking-pos /--
	  max-lat0/max-lat
	  min-lat0/min-lat
	  max-long0/max-long
  min-long0/min-long
  /entry
/scenario
  /PropertyList
!--
latitude-deg type=double48.53306323/latitude-deg
longitude-deg type=double-4.137254038/longitude-deg
  elevation-ft type=double335.4462275/elevation-ft

--Index: Models/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/flols.xml
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/flols.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.6 flols.xml
--- Models/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/flols.xml	21 Apr 2008 08:23:20 -	1.6
+++ Models/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/flols.xml	29 Jul 2008 18:33:25 -
@@ -289,8 +289,8 @@
 		pathModels/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/wave-off.xml/path
 		offsets
 			x-m0.1/x-m
-			y-m0.77/y-m
-			z-m-1.18/z-m
+			y-m1.18/y-m
+			z-m-0.77/z-m
 		/offsets
 	/model
 	model
@@ -298,8 +298,8 @@
 		pathModels/Geometry/Nimitz/Models/wave-off.xml/path
 		offsets
 			x-m0.1/x-m
-			y-m-0.77/y-m
-			z-m-1.18/z-m
+			y-m-1.18/y-m
+			z-m-0.77/z-m
 		/offsets
 	/model
 	animation
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