Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

2007-12-14 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi Arvid!

AnMaster wrote:
 Durk Talsma wrote:
 My understanding is that a full world-wide scenery rebuild is taking place 
 right now, courtesy of the Custom Scenery Project. The purpose of the 
 rebuild 
 is mainly to incorporate the latest apt.dat modifications and the latest 
 commits to the object database. Resolution of the scenery should be 
 approximately the same as the current scenery, but using the latest 
 improvements to terragear, recently made by Ralf Gerlich. 
 
 Nice. Where can I get this scenery? As I run a terrasync mirror I need to be
 able to download it to the server before the release to avoid problems. I 
 guess
 I would need about a day or so to download the new scenery to the server.

Martin and I have been working late since Wednesday to get that build
going. It's the first time that we're doing this so we have no idea how
long it is going to take, but we'll do our best to get it done on time.
The process is running now and it's done when it's done.

Cheers,
Ralf

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

2007-12-13 Thread Melchior FRANZ
 Modified Files:
   apt.dat.gz 
 Log Message:
[...]
 Move/rotate Half Moon Bay (KHAF) taxiways to fit the realigned runway.

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. I've seen *many* runways where the
visuals and the runway data aren't aligned. This fix is only
KHAF-tutorial cosmetics.

There are only two possibilities:
- revert the old files (apt.dat.gz, and nav.dat.gz as well?)
- generate and ship new scenery with v1.0

Well, there's also
- make FlightGear v1.0 the ultimate fgfs embarrassment (for which
  0-9/11 would have been a far better name  :-}

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

2007-12-13 Thread AnMaster
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Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 Modified Files:
  apt.dat.gz 
 Log Message:
 [...]
 Move/rotate Half Moon Bay (KHAF) taxiways to fit the realigned runway.
 
 Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. I've seen *many* runways where the
 visuals and the runway data aren't aligned. This fix is only
 KHAF-tutorial cosmetics.
 
 There are only two possibilities:
 - revert the old files (apt.dat.gz, and nav.dat.gz as well?)
 - generate and ship new scenery with v1.0
 
 Well, there's also
 - make FlightGear v1.0 the ultimate fgfs embarrassment (for which
   0-9/11 would have been a far better name  :-}
 
 m.
 
How long does scenery generation take? Because we really NEED it before release.

/A. Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

2007-12-13 Thread Durk Talsma
On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:02, AnMaster wrote:
 Melchior FRANZ wrote:
  Modified Files:
 apt.dat.gz
  Log Message:
 
  [...]
 
  Move/rotate Half Moon Bay (KHAF) taxiways to fit the realigned runway.
 
  Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. I've seen *many* runways where the
  visuals and the runway data aren't aligned. This fix is only
  KHAF-tutorial cosmetics.
 
  There are only two possibilities:
  - revert the old files (apt.dat.gz, and nav.dat.gz as well?)
  - generate and ship new scenery with v1.0
 
  Well, there's also
  - make FlightGear v1.0 the ultimate fgfs embarrassment (for which
0-9/11 would have been a far better name  :-}
 
  m.

My understanding is that a full world-wide scenery rebuild is taking place 
right now, courtesy of the Custom Scenery Project. The purpose of the rebuild 
is mainly to incorporate the latest apt.dat modifications and the latest 
commits to the object database. Resolution of the scenery should be 
approximately the same as the current scenery, but using the latest 
improvements to terragear, recently made by Ralf Gerlich. 

Cheer,
Durk

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

2007-12-13 Thread AnMaster
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Durk Talsma wrote:
 On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:02, AnMaster wrote:
 Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 Modified Files:
apt.dat.gz
 Log Message:
 [...]

 Move/rotate Half Moon Bay (KHAF) taxiways to fit the realigned runway.
 Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. I've seen *many* runways where the
 visuals and the runway data aren't aligned. This fix is only
 KHAF-tutorial cosmetics.

 There are only two possibilities:
 - revert the old files (apt.dat.gz, and nav.dat.gz as well?)
 - generate and ship new scenery with v1.0

 Well, there's also
 - make FlightGear v1.0 the ultimate fgfs embarrassment (for which
   0-9/11 would have been a far better name  :-}

 m.
 My understanding is that a full world-wide scenery rebuild is taking place 
 right now, courtesy of the Custom Scenery Project. The purpose of the rebuild 
 is mainly to incorporate the latest apt.dat modifications and the latest 
 commits to the object database. Resolution of the scenery should be 
 approximately the same as the current scenery, but using the latest 
 improvements to terragear, recently made by Ralf Gerlich. 
 
Nice. Where can I get this scenery? As I run a terrasync mirror I need to be
able to download it to the server before the release to avoid problems. I guess
I would need about a day or so to download the new scenery to the server.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

2007-12-13 Thread Durk Talsma
On Thursday 13 December 2007 20:08, AnMaster wrote:


 Nice. Where can I get this scenery? As I run a terrasync mirror I need to
 be able to download it to the server before the release to avoid problems.
 I guess I would need about a day or so to download the new scenery to the
 server.


Hopefully, we can put it onto the official ftp server, but we need to 
coordinate that with Curt. This probably means we need to arrange that after 
Curt returns from his Hawaii trip.

Cheers,
Durk

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

2007-12-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:01:08 +0100, Durk wrote in message 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:02, AnMaster wrote:
  Melchior FRANZ wrote:
   Modified Files:
apt.dat.gz
   Log Message:
  
   [...]
  
   Move/rotate Half Moon Bay (KHAF) taxiways to fit the realigned runway.
  
   Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. I've seen *many* runways where the
   visuals and the runway data aren't aligned. This fix is only
   KHAF-tutorial cosmetics.
  
   There are only two possibilities:
   - revert the old files (apt.dat.gz, and nav.dat.gz as well?)
   - generate and ship new scenery with v1.0
  
   Well, there's also
   - make FlightGear v1.0 the ultimate fgfs embarrassment (for which
 0-9/11 would have been a far better name  :-}

..hear, hear!  :o)

   m.
 
 My understanding is that a full world-wide scenery rebuild is taking place 
 right now, courtesy of the Custom Scenery Project. The purpose of the rebuild 
 is mainly to incorporate the latest apt.dat modifications and the latest 
 commits to the object database. Resolution of the scenery should be 
 approximately the same as the current scenery, but using the latest 
 improvements to terragear, recently made by Ralf Gerlich. 

..is the sea water level fixed at a specific level, as part of the
scenery (such as the lowest ebb etc ellipsoid)?  

..or, is the sea level set and shown by FlightGear (or SimGear) and
_not_ part of the scenery?

..I know modelling sea level rise will require new coast line and
sub sea scenery tiles and modelling sea water on top of that again, 
but the right answer above means the difference between an all new
scenery and just the sea bits and I like to see FlightGear-1.0 model
sea level rise for a few strategic political and financial reasons 
that would help facilitate funding FG.  ;o)

 Cheer,
 Durk


-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.


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