Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-03 Thread ys
Hi Curt Maybe these are two types of conferences now. One could be the WIFGH, the Weekly International FlightGear Hangout ;-) Or monthly ? Another option I see now is probably a smaller european conference when I read about this idea at the forums. Maybe spring or summer 2013 is a possible

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-03 Thread TDO Brandano
-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows Hi Curt Maybe these are two types of conferences now. One could be the WIFGH, the Weekly International FlightGear Hangout ;-) Or monthly ? Another option I see now is probably a smaller european conference when I read about this idea at the forums. Maybe spring

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-02 Thread Renk Thorsten
Please let me be very clear about a few things. This is not about lack of praise or thanks - I'm doing weather and light mainly because I like doing it, because I like to see if I can capture the essence of a scene I see in real life in shader code. I am passionate and excited about that,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-02 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 01.12.12 14:15, schrieb Pat: Does this ring any bells? http://unprotocols.org/blog:14 Hi Pat This link .. exactly. That’s probably all what I was thinking about when I sent my thanks to the list for Thorsten (for ALL t(h)orstens at the end, anyway for all contributors, leaders,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-02 Thread Olivier
Hi Yves, all, De : HB-GRAL flightg...@sablonier.ch Envoyé le : Dimanche 2 décembre 2012 12h12 My dream: FlightGear should held a developer meeting once next year. This would be my all time favourite. Have there been such meetings once? At least there were

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-02 Thread Curtis Olson
The FS Weekend event has been the closest thing to a developer conference that we've had over the past few years.Our developers are dispersed across the world so any event would involve significant travel for most people. For people with day jobs, young families, or tight budgets,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-02 Thread Hans Janssen
On 12/02/2012 02:35 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: and as far as I know, there isn't an upper limit to the number of participants in a hangout. The limit is 10 according to this. https://support.google.com/plus/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=1216374 Hans. 0x4FD802C3.asc Description:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-02 Thread Pat
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:53:03 +0100 Hans Janssen handigehan...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/02/2012 02:35 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: and as far as I know, there isn't an upper limit to the number of participants in a hangout. The limit is 10 according to this.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:47:06 -0600, Curtis wrote in message CAHtsj_fx33eVFv_s_F0hzHyd=kcjp6fqlq+k2i-094dbr46...@mail.gmail.com: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Hans Janssen handigehan...@gmail.comwrote: On 12/02/2012 02:35 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: and as far as I know, there isn't an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-01 Thread Erik Hofman
On 12/01/2012 02:04 AM, HB-GRAL wrote: Am 29.11.12 08:59, schrieb Renk Thorsten: So, good to know that you apparently see me as someone who has nothing better to do than complain because the service isn't good. You know what - I'm out of here for a really good long break, doing something

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-01 Thread Adrian Musceac
Problem is, there are no project leaders. And that worked remarkably well for quite a while. I think everyone involved in FlighGear is busy working on other things right now. I know I am, and for a good reason; I learned the hard way FlighGear isn't going to pay my bill so I spent all of my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-01 Thread Pat
My thanks to everybody who's ever comitted anything without getting paid money for it. Thank you. For responding to my posts on the mailing lists. And for talking with me on irc. Thanks for Flightgear. It's a great hobby. I appreciate it and all of you. -Pat

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-01 Thread Pat
Does this ring any bells? http://unprotocols.org/blog:14 -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: INSIGHTS What's next for parallel hardware, programming and related areas? Interviews and blogs by thought leaders keep

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-12-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Pat pat.callah...@gmail.com wrote: My thanks to everybody who's ever comitted anything without getting paid money for it. Thank you. For responding to my posts on the mailing lists. And for talking with me on irc. Thanks for Flightgear. It's a great hobby.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-30 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 29.11.12 08:59, schrieb Renk Thorsten: So, good to know that you apparently see me as someone who has nothing better to do than complain because the service isn't good. You know what - I'm out of here for a really good long break, doing something nice. The FG experience for me of late

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-29 Thread Michael
thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 8:59 AM Me asking a genuine question: Why do I need to make a song and dance to get the last stable

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-28 Thread Pat
For me the question is not so much how to get there, but where do we want to go and who's going to make the effort. From reading this thread and others, a lot of work done on managing the release process. Is there still some work to do in the area of builds for various audiences? Which distros

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:51:57 -0500, Pat wrote in message 20121127215157.0f27252b@spinnaker: For me the question is not so much how to get there, but where do we want to go and who's going to make the effort. ..that will be decided meritocratically by whoever codes something that's more than

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-28 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Wednesday 28 November 2012 18:05:53 Arnt Karlsen wrote: Is there a way to manage packaging across distros? ..not _a_, but _many_ ways. Debian probably has the best (and biggest) pile of tools to do this, I have this vision of somebody running this virtual build-n-test cluster off his

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-28 Thread ThorstenB
Am 28.11.2012 20:12, schrieb Stefan Seifert: A good first step would be to contact the maintainer of the FlightGear package in the games repository and ask why build is disabled for all non-openSUSE distributions. Well, that would be me ;-), and since you have already asked: The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:03:55 +0100, ThorstenB wrote in message 50b68a4b.7050...@gmail.com: * Debian (2.6.0 (not 2.8.0!) accepted into stable on October 30th) http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/flightgear ..while I agree Debian Sid is stable enough for most people here, Debian policy defines

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-28 Thread Pat
Thorsten, Thanks. Your response was cleared up a lot. I had been wondering how the personal relationships between the flightgear project and the distributions actually worked. I was also wondering if the process of getting flightgear into distributions was broken and needed fixing or not. If I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-28 Thread Renk Thorsten
Me asking a genuine question: Why do I need to make a song and dance to get the last stable under Linux when it works no fuss under Windows? Are we genuinely unable to provide a working generic 32 and a 64bit set of binaryies for Linux? I know that lib paths and versions are different

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-27 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 07:56:02 Renk Thorsten wrote: Binary releases on Linux are /possible/ but a pain - working with each distro's packaging system is definitely the way to go, in my opinion. That basically seems to require that everyone who wants most recent FG needs to update to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-27 Thread James Turner
On 27 Nov 2012, at 08:01, Stefan Seifert n...@detonation.org wrote: That basically seems to require that everyone who wants most recent FG needs to update to most recent Linux. No it doesn't. There's nothing preventing us from providing packages for older distribution versions. On the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-27 Thread Renk Thorsten
No it doesn't. There's nothing preventing us from providing packages for older distribution versions. This sounds very neat, and if this works in practice, then I take my comment back - being able to get an rpm for any major Linux distribution would be equivalent to the Windows installer

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:39:42 +, Renk wrote in message e495a106ff5f31448739e79d34138c191e169...@mbs1.ad.jyu.fi: No it doesn't. There's nothing preventing us from providing packages for older distribution versions. This sounds very neat, and if this works in practice, then I take my

[Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-26 Thread Renk Thorsten
So, I finally broke down over the weekend, getting so frustrated with a the GPU not powering up under Linux that I installed FG on Windows. If I want to get FG last stable under Fedora 17, I have to compile it myself, only 2.6 is on the repo. The process is probably similar to compiling

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-26 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Monday 26 November 2012 09:45:51 Renk Thorsten wrote: I am genuinely at a loss here. A normal Linux user has practically no change to get last stable on his box running if it isn't in his distro - a normal Windows user gets everything nice and streamlined. Does anyone else understand

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-26 Thread James Turner
On 26 Nov 2012, at 09:59, Stefan Seifert n...@detonation.org wrote: The nice thing is: the openSUSE Build Service is not limited to openSUSE. Packages can be created for Debian, Fedora, Mandriva and Ubuntu as well. And once you got that set up, it's very little work to maintain. I think

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-26 Thread Michael
Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 10:45 AM So, I finally broke down over the weekend, getting so frustrated with a the GPU not powering up under Linux that I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows

2012-11-26 Thread Renk Thorsten
Binary releases on Linux are /possible/ but a pain - working with each distro's packaging system is definitely the way to go, in my opinion. That basically seems to require that everyone who wants most recent FG needs to update to most recent Linux. Which is something which according to my