Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual --2

2012-02-29 Thread Jörg Emmerich
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 14:28 +, Stuart Buchanan wrote: The main thrust of your proposal is to change the current process, which can broadly be described as: Latex - PDF/HTML to one where you have Wiki - HTML AFAICT , we gain: - easier editing for those not familiar with Latex -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-28 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Hi Jorg, Firstly, apologies for being so late to comment. Too many other things going on, and not enough time to think about and comment properly. The main thrust of your proposal is to change the current process, which can broadly be described as: Latex - PDF/HTML to one where you have Wiki

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-28 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Stuart, thanks a lot for taking the time to write such an elaborate statement ! Stuart Buchanan wrote: At present this is handled by changes being emailed to Martin or myself [...] or via merge request on Gitorious ;-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's

[Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-24 Thread Jörg Emmerich
I was surprised that this shift in Paradigms has such a big handicap to be considered for future developments. And if you believe you are old-fashioned, how about a 70 year old guy that started in Computer Development in 1970, and whose big boss predicted: I think there is a world market for maybe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Spott
Jörg Emmerich wrote: Did you notice that most products you buy today, do not have a real User-Manual any more - but tell you an Internet-Address to look it up? Yup, that's really bad style and I still haven't given up the hope that FlightGear is capable of doing better. Who knows Guess

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-21 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 21.02.12 01:16, schrieb HB-GRAL: i.e. in first section Installation: http://www.flightgear.org/cvs.html http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/m-selig/apasim.html http://www.flightgear.org/cdrom/ http://www.terragear.org/ http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft/index.shtml (huh!) I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-21 Thread Martin Spott
HB-GRAL wrote: What is the difference between the Index and the Index at bottom of contents ? ;-) I'm not sure which index you mean by the Index which is not at the bottom will check. Anyhow, I know there are at least two different Indexes and I haven't determined how to get rid of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-21 Thread Martin Spott
Gijs de Rooy wrote: Martin wrote: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ I'm sure there's a link somewhere on The Wiki (if Hellosimon didn't carry out his threat of moving it into the attic ;-) It's right there, on the MAIN PAGE of the wiki! :D

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-21 Thread Martin Spott
HB-GRAL wrote: Ok, to follow this I checked all links manually tonight, hope this helps to correct all 404 or outdated ones in the manual when someone finds the time for this : Cool ! phew, quite a lot, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-21 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 21.02.12 17:41, schrieb HB-GRAL: Am 21.02.12 01:16, schrieb HB-GRAL: i.e. in first section Installation: http://www.flightgear.org/cvs.html http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/m-selig/apasim.html http://www.flightgear.org/cdrom/ http://www.terragear.org/

[Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread Jörg Emmerich
Congratulation to all of you having worked hard on getting the 2.6 out. So pls let me come back to my proposal for a different style of the FGFS-Manual. For several month now I made many tests with LaTeX, LyX, basic PDF, etc. - but was not able to achieve with those what I am proposing: --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread George Patterson
Why do i feel that this has been discussed multiple times before and the end result was to stick with the status quo... but anyway see below. Below I'm playing devils advocate a little bit. On 20 February 2012 20:17, Jörg Emmerich j-emmer...@online.de wrote: Congratulation to all of you having

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread thorsten . i . renk
As we accept that any professional can participate in the design, we should also trust our users to generate and maintain their manuals by themselves! FGFS, FGFS-wiki, Wikipedia, Linux, etc. etc. -- they all proved that it works! Here's an actual user commenting on the state of the Wiki:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 11:49, schrieb thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi: It seems you still don't understand what LaTeX is for. You can easily turn LaTeX into both html and a printed book automatically - but you can't ever turn html back into anything resembling a printed book withd ecent layout without tons of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread Martin Spott
HB-GRAL wrote: What tools can be used to convert i.E. getstart.tex into html properly ? What can you recommend? Did you ever try to convert FG .tex files into html with tools you know ? Actually we're doing this for almost a decade now. Michael Basler started using TeX4ht on Windows and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 12:24, schrieb Martin Spott: HB-GRAL wrote: What tools can be used to convert i.E. getstart.tex into html properly ? What can you recommend? Did you ever try to convert FG .tex files into html with tools you know ? Actually we're doing this for almost a decade now. Michael

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Martin wrote: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ I'm sure there's a link somewhere on The Wiki (if Hellosimon didn't carry out his threat of moving it into the attic ;-) It's right there, on the MAIN PAGE of the wiki! :D http://wiki.flightgear.org/Main_Page

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 19:10, schrieb Gijs de Rooy: Martin wrote: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ I'm sure there's a link somewhere on The Wiki (if Hellosimon didn't carry out his threat of moving it into the attic ;-) It's right there, on the MAIN PAGE of the wiki! :D

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Yves wrote: The wiki links to a two years old manual ? Not anymore :D -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 12:24, schrieb Martin Spott: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ Hi Martin What is the difference between the Index and the Index at bottom of contents ? ;-) Maybe there is a simple tool to check all links in the document? A lot of links goes to nowhere. i.e. in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New styled FGFS--Manual

2012-02-20 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 20.02.12 22:46, schrieb HB-GRAL: Am 20.02.12 12:24, schrieb Martin Spott: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ Hi Martin What is the difference between the Index and the Index at bottom of contents ? ;-) Maybe there is a simple tool to check all links in the document? A lot