Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 23:53 +, Martin Spott wrote: Hi ya Martin, > > > I think having an Oz 'chapter' would be a great idea, maybe Jon and > > Martin could give us our own bit of their web for dedicated Oz > > scenery (or we could just prefix all generic 3D objects with OZ- ) > > Well, our plan looks a bit different. The explicit idea is _not_ to > divide our world into different chapters, at least not when it comes to > provinding Scenery to the user. Instead, we'd like to encourage people > to collaborate on _one_ set which is meant to cover the entire world, > thus saving the user from the hassle to download Scenery for different > areas from different download locations. > This should certainly not prevent you from organizing and grouping > contributors together, but the "net result" is, to my opinion, by far > best stored at and distributed via the existing infrastructure > (database, web service and TerraSync-repository). > For the generic 3D models which you know are very specific to your > country, feel free to add a reasonable prefix to the respective > filenames if you think it's worth it. > > Yep, I think we are in total agreement here :) The idea is a place to develop scenery, so that it can go back into flightgear, not have a separate download site. It's mainly a space to focus and co-ordinate development. I've setup a small website to assist that collaboration, we'll see how well it works. At the moment only those Australians who responded to the initial development list e.mail by Andrew I've sent them the link, so that's about 3 of us :) http://ozgear.admin.net.au/ Cheers Scott. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
Hi Andrew, "Jones, Andrew" wrote: > I was thinking of doing some 3D objects for Australia (to start the > learning process) and then move on to terrain scenery - will new > terrain 'ruin' the 3D object that I will have already placed on the > original terrain? It depends :-) Usually the terrain looks a bit different with every (World) Scenery build. Thus, many, many of the locations where people have been placing 3D models will be at a different elevation with the next build - most notably at rough terrain. In order to compensate this effect for the World Scenery releases, we're re-positioning _every_ object in our Scenemodels repository to the ground elevation with the new terrain before we're going to pack everything together. > I think having an Oz 'chapter' would be a great idea, maybe Jon and > Martin could give us our own bit of their web for dedicated Oz > scenery (or we could just prefix all generic 3D objects with OZ- ) Well, our plan looks a bit different. The explicit idea is _not_ to divide our world into different chapters, at least not when it comes to provinding Scenery to the user. Instead, we'd like to encourage people to collaborate on _one_ set which is meant to cover the entire world, thus saving the user from the hassle to download Scenery for different areas from different download locations. This approach actually enables us to provide nifty services like a) the global overview over the buildings which are already available for FlightGear (I admit that our website layout at 'Scenemodels' deserves an update ;-) , b) the land cover web mapping service on our 'MapServer' site, including the red dots for every placement of a 3D model (deserves an update as well ), c) adjusting all of the available models to the current terrain and, last but not least, d) feeding the most current World Scenery (Terrain as well as Objects plus some airport data and the shared models) to the user as they fly, via the TerraSync tool. This should certainly not prevent you from organizing and grouping contributors together, but the "net result" is, to my opinion, by far best stored at and distributed via the existing infrastructure (database, web service and TerraSync-repository). For the generic 3D models which you know are very specific to your country, feel free to add a reasonable prefix to the respective filenames if you think it's worth it. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
"Jones, Andrew" wrote: > I know Martin hangs around here, so maybe he'll reply. Will do I'm just a bit busy with trying to perform 'real-life' work these days ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
I am currently trying to put a system together for doing the Bali scenery. But would be interested. I was planning on doing some of the north western strips and Darwin. Harry On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:18 PM, George Patterson < george.patter...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jones, Andrew > wrote: > > Thanx Scoot and Innis > > > > I've been to Jon's site and had email with Martin there. > > > > I think having an Oz 'chapter' would be a great idea, maybe Jon and > Martin > > could give us our own bit of their web for dedicated Oz scenery (or we > could > > just prefix all generic 3D objects with OZ- ) > > > > I know Martin hangs around here, so maybe he'll reply. > > > > I'm up for doing the co-ord work if that's what's needed and am happy to > > work with all to get Oz on the map!! > > > > Andrew > > > I'm based in Melbourne so happy to help out with critiquing the > Melbourne Airport. Avalon would be easier and more fun as it's dual > use between the OZ air force and Jetstar which is a local no-thrills > airline owned by Qantas. And then there are about four or five > regional airports still in Melbourne. > > I have been breifly to Hobarts airport and the scenery around is would > be great in FlightGear if accurate. > > Pity I am awful at 3d modelling. > > Regards > > > George > > > -- > Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with > Adobe(R)AIR(TM) > software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code > to > build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of > local > resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK > and > Ajax docs to start building applications today- > http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jones, Andrew wrote: > Thanx Scoot and Innis > > I've been to Jon's site and had email with Martin there. > > I think having an Oz 'chapter' would be a great idea, maybe Jon and Martin > could give us our own bit of their web for dedicated Oz scenery (or we could > just prefix all generic 3D objects with OZ- ) > > I know Martin hangs around here, so maybe he'll reply. > > I'm up for doing the co-ord work if that's what's needed and am happy to > work with all to get Oz on the map!! > > Andrew I'm based in Melbourne so happy to help out with critiquing the Melbourne Airport. Avalon would be easier and more fun as it's dual use between the OZ air force and Jetstar which is a local no-thrills airline owned by Qantas. And then there are about four or five regional airports still in Melbourne. I have been breifly to Hobarts airport and the scenery around is would be great in FlightGear if accurate. Pity I am awful at 3d modelling. Regards George -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
Thanx Scoot and Innis I've been to Jon's site and had email with Martin there. I think having an Oz 'chapter' would be a great idea, maybe Jon and Martin could give us our own bit of their web for dedicated Oz scenery (or we could just prefix all generic 3D objects with OZ- ) I know Martin hangs around here, so maybe he'll reply. I'm up for doing the co-ord work if that's what's needed and am happy to work with all to get Oz on the map!! Andrew From: Innis Cunningham [mailto:inn...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2009 12:11 PM To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question Hi Guys scott.hamilton wrote On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 09:39 +1100, Jones, Andrew wrote: Hi All I'm V new here and have lots of questions... Is there a dedicated scenery design team for Australia? No not that I am aware of. A chap by the name of Chris Wilkinson was doing some work on Brisbane terminal but I don't know if he finished it or uploaded it anywhere.You could try Jon Stockill's scenery site I've been wondering if there are many other Australian users out there aswell Perhaps an opportunity to form a mini-community somewhere. There have been one or two discussions from time to time but nothing came of them. I was thinking of doing some 3D objects for Australia (to start the learning process) and then move on to terrain scenery - will new terrain 'ruin' the 3D object that I will have already placed on the original terrain? Not that I am an expert far from it but FG scenery is divided up into two sections one the 3D models and the other the terrain made using a program called terragear.This program makes the roads ,rivers,runways and taxiways and maybe other things I am not aware of.I am sure if you have a look on the wiki it will explain better than me. I have just started doing the YSSY terminals, this is the first scenery modelling I have ever done, and I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly. Have you upload these objects anywhere public yet? It would be good to co-ordinate and share information/objects. I have seen a terrain Howto in the wiki, but can't find it at the moment... Hope this helps. Cheers Innis Let ninemsn property help! Need a new place to rent, share or buy?<http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT> *PLEASE NOTE* This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please delete all copies and advise the sender. The reproduction or dissemination of this email or its attachments is prohibited without the consent of the sender. WARNING RE VIRUSES: Our computer systems sweep outgoing email to guard against viruses, but no warranty is given that this email or its attachments are virus free. Before opening or using attachments, please check for viruses. Our liability is limited to the re-supply of any affected attachments. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the organisation. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
Hi Guys scott.hamilton wrote On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 09:39 +1100, Jones, Andrew wrote: Hi All I'm V new here and have lots of questions... Is there a dedicated scenery design team for Australia? No not that I am aware of. A chap by the name of Chris Wilkinson was doing some work on Brisbane terminal but I don't know if he finished it or uploaded it anywhere.You could try Jon Stockill's scenery site I've been wondering if there are many other Australian users out there aswell Perhaps an opportunity to form a mini-community somewhere. There have been one or two discussions from time to time but nothing came of them. I was thinking of doing some 3D objects for Australia (to start the learning process) and then move on to terrain scenery - will new terrain 'ruin' the 3D object that I will have already placed on the original terrain? Not that I am an expert far from it but FG scenery is divided up into two sections one the 3D models and the other the terrain made using a program called terragear.This program makes the roads ,rivers,runways and taxiways and maybe other things I am not aware of.I am sure if you have a look on the wiki it will explain better than me. I have just started doing the YSSY terminals, this is the first scenery modelling I have ever done, and I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly. Have you upload these objects anywhere public yet? It would be good to co-ordinate and share information/objects. I have seen a terrain Howto in the wiki, but can't find it at the moment... Hope this helps. Cheers Innis _ Need a new place to rent, share or buy? Let ninemsn property help http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT-- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 09:39 +1100, Jones, Andrew wrote: > Hi All > > I'm V new here and have lots of questions... > > Is there a dedicated scenery design team for Australia? I've been wondering if there are many other Australian users out there aswell Perhaps an opportunity to form a mini-community somewhere, like geographic chapters of popular operating system user groups, but just in a virtual sense... > I was thinking of doing some 3D objects for Australia (to start the > learning process) and then move on to terrain scenery - will new > terrain 'ruin' the 3D object that I will have already placed on the > original terrain? I have just started doing the YSSY terminals, this is the first scenery modelling I have ever done, and I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly. Have you upload these objects anywhere public yet? It would be good to co-ordinate and share information/objects. I have seen a terrain Howto in the wiki, but can't find it at the moment... S. > Is there a How-To on any of the terrain stuff - I'm fine with the 3d > objects, but the terrain stuff just looks way too hard for a noob > to even contemplate. > Are roads placed on top of terrain (like an object)? or made as part > of the terrain??? How about bridges??? > > I have access to lots of GIS info for the eastesn seaboard of > Australia and for 'some' airport data as well > > Hope you can guide me in the right direction > > Andrew > > > > __ > > *PLEASE NOTE* This email and any attachments may > be confidential. If received in error, please delete all > copies and advise the sender. The reproduction or > dissemination of this email or its attachments is > prohibited without the consent of the sender. > > WARNING RE VIRUSES: Our computer systems sweep > outgoing email to guard against viruses, but no warranty > is given that this email or its attachments are virus free. > Before opening or using attachments, please check for > viruses. Our liability is limited to the re-supply of any > affected attachments. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender, except where the sender expressly, > and with authority, states them to be the views of the > organisation. > > > -- > Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) > software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to > build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local > resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and > Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com > ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Noob Question
Hi All I'm V new here and have lots of questions... Is there a dedicated scenery design team for Australia? I was thinking of doing some 3D objects for Australia (to start the learning process) and then move on to terrain scenery - will new terrain 'ruin' the 3D object that I will have already placed on the original terrain? Is there a How-To on any of the terrain stuff - I'm fine with the 3d objects, but the terrain stuff just looks way too hard for a noob to even contemplate. Are roads placed on top of terrain (like an object)? or made as part of the terrain??? How about bridges??? I have access to lots of GIS info for the eastesn seaboard of Australia and for 'some' airport data as well Hope you can guide me in the right direction Andrew *PLEASE NOTE* This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please delete all copies and advise the sender. The reproduction or dissemination of this email or its attachments is prohibited without the consent of the sender. WARNING RE VIRUSES: Our computer systems sweep outgoing email to guard against viruses, but no warranty is given that this email or its attachments are virus free. Before opening or using attachments, please check for viruses. Our liability is limited to the re-supply of any affected attachments. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of the organisation. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
