Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu
Frederic Bouvier wrote: I found a way to avoid the black window. So I can tell that Rembrandt works perfectly on a HD7750 windowed or fullscreen at 1600x1200. With vegetation set to 2.0 and random buildings at 1.0, I get 20 fps on the c172p. My feeling tells me that these values should be set as defaults ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
Never heard of such, buy anyway I never update, but do a reinstall. Hence back up your 10.04 data, then from the vista cd do a fixmbr or alike. Search the exact syntax. update vista and simply reinstall 12.04 after reformating with ext4. And yes let me know how it goes. I wanted to install sp2 in vista but couldn't.- It rolled back update after 2 hours or so...sigh. Thanks -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
Hi Fred, Glad to hear the HD 7750 works fine in Win 7 64-bits... it seems very similar to the HD 7770 so no idea why I have such a bad 'crash' with Rembrandt ;=() Maybe later driver updates, or even as Rembrandt matures... I can only hope ;=)) will keep trying now and again, but the completely black screen for several seconds is quite frightening... Hi Björn, Try this - http://apcmag.com/vista_sp1_wont_install_on_dualboot_systems_microsoft.htm And just search 'vista sp1 and grub' for MANY others ;=(( And with no SP1 many other vista updates also FAIL! And a suggested solution NOT tried - https://blogs.oracle.com/pomah/entry/installing_windows_vista_service_pack and have read others in similar vane - remove grub, do update, restore grub (if you are lucky!). I am certainly GLAD to hear you had no similar problem with Windows 7 ;=)) After the above Vista fiasco I am sure MS would want to avoid that happening again - we hope!!! Hi Michael, Yes, a save, and removal of 10.04, get Vista back into shape, and re-install 12.04 LTS is certainly another option... ;=)) But my $HOME directory is a whopping 80-100 GB! But I think I remember moving that to another logical drive so maybe it would not get wiped in a reformat of the 'system' drive... need to check... But as stated, that is for July anyway... when I feel 12.04 LTS is 'solid' ;=)) Regards, Geoff. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
Hey Geoff, sad to see that it's a common problem. But then again, Vista generally wasn't one of MS's better products... B. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
Hi Geoff, Glad to hear the HD 7750 works fine in Win 7 64-bits... it seems very similar to the HD 7770 so no idea why I have such a bad 'crash' with Rembrandt ;=() Maybe later driver updates, or even as Rembrandt matures... I can only hope ;=)) will keep trying now and again, but the completely black screen for several seconds is quite frightening... Do you start FG windowed or full screen ? -Fred -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 18:25 +0200, Frederic Bouvier wrote: Hi Geoff, Glad to hear the HD 7750 works fine in Win 7 64-bits... it seems very similar to the HD 7770 so no idea why I have such a bad 'crash' with Rembrandt ;=() Maybe later driver updates, or even as Rembrandt matures... I can only hope ;=)) will keep trying now and again, but the completely black screen for several seconds is quite frightening... Do you start FG windowed or full screen ? -Fred Hi Fred, Windowed only. Do not think I have tried full screen (at 1920x1080 in that machine), but will try that next time... Will also try iconising to see if I get the same as you... My 'crash' came up to a minute after starting fgfs... had just started the engine, and used the v key to look around... and 'poof'... The driver is from Catalyst 12.1 (2012.0117.53.1290). The last update was 20 Feb 2012. Driver Packaging version 8.932.5-120116a-131942C-ATI. Do you use Catalyst? Hmmm, an update check now shows there is a 12.4 now available. Will probably download that tomorrow and try again... Would really love to see your beautiful 'shadows' ;=)) Regards, Geoff. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
t. (With an X1300 , I get nearly twice the FPS in Win 7 compared to Linux) Sighget a cheap Nvidia card from ebay. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
And none of this explains why Rembrandt CRASHES the Radeon HD 7770 - it stops working, and goes into auto-recovery - in my Windows 7 64-bit box. Without Rembrandt the fps there is 60... I bought myself a HD7750. The only issue I have under win7 64bit is that the fgfs window goes black if I minimize it. First investigation is that OSG open another context and reallocate all the resources already opened for the displayed window and exhaust memory, switching to pbuffers that are not supported by Rembrandt. No machine freeze or crash here. Regards, -Fred -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
RE: Upgrade : Ubuntu 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS from : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades It is generally recommended that users of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS wait until the first point release, due in July, before upgrading. I think I prefer to 'wait-the-time' ;=)) not long now... And I still think it is GRUB that is blocking 'some' of my Vista updates, particularly a SP... at the time I read on several MS sites, and other places, that Vista gets bent out of shape when it detects a 'foreigner' in the first disk sector (MBR) ;=() It seems the only way around it would be to remove GRUB and restore the Vista footprint... read lots of 'help' on doing this, but always had the fear of not being able to 'restore' the GRUB duel boot after the Vista upgrades were done... so never got around to trying... Maybe will address this again after the 12.04 upgrade ;=)) Regards, Geoff. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:21:20 +0200, Geoff wrote in message 1339590080.1793.17.camel@DELL02: On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 16:57 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:00:47 +0200, Geoff wrote in message Concerning Rembrandt, it does not work on either of my 2 ATI cards - Radeon HD 2600 XT, running Ubuntu ..the latest (12.04)? No, still 10.04 LTS, but may upgrade soon... ..hum, see below on big red box. 64-bit, ..dmesg |grep -i '\(firmware\|radeon\|kms\)' says? Nothing, nanda, zilch ;=)) I am running the ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver. ..your HD 2600 XT card is old enough to have been endlifed in fglrx by AMD and I will be very surprised to learn of any closed source driver beating the last radeon driver on it. Your box, your sweat, your decision. ;o) Initially I think I followed some things from this page - http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Lucid_Installation_Guide to install the proprietary driver... ..did you read that scornful message in the big red box? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
Since ATI driver support doesn't even qualify as bloody awful, you're better off running FG in Windows - at least until you get a newer card or the open source driver gets a huuuge performance boost. (With an X1300 , I get nearly twice the FPS in Win 7 compared to Linux) B. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 16:21 +0200, Björn Kesten wrote: Since ATI driver support doesn't even qualify as bloody awful, you're better off running FG in Windows - at least until you get a newer card or the open source driver gets a huuuge performance boost. (With an X1300 , I get nearly twice the FPS in Win 7 compared to Linux) B. Hi Björn, Yes, this box started out with just Windows Vista 32-bit, and the HD 2600 XT advertises 'good' DirectX 10 support, which is maybe why Dell chose it... So maybe this is a good time to go back to Windows ;=)) to at least see what happens there... but one problem there is that the GRUB dual boot has 'block' the Vista updates for a long time now... In Ubuntu my fps is only in the 30-40 range... and have been thinking about getting another card... One of my earlier questions was - Is there a list of cards that work well with Rembrandt? Assume your X1300 is one of them? And none of this explains why Rembrandt CRASHES the Radeon HD 7770 - it stops working, and goes into auto-recovery - in my Windows 7 64-bit box. Without Rembrandt the fps there is 60... Regards, Geoff. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
Hi Geoff, my Win 7 updates work well and I don't think that GRUB has something to do with it. Well, I did try Rembrandt once and it worked, so I assume that your card can handle it as well. Don't let the product number fool you; the 2600XT is better than mine (albeit not being ATI's best card, even backintheday). The 7xxx card's crashes might be caused by drivers or OpenSceneGraph. Waiting for new versions of both might be worth it. B. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:08:50 +0200, Björn wrote in message CADxDtfiSfBPaLCzDom2=bzqegeb6d6et2ozt3uzp9x7ckz-...@mail.gmail.com: Hi Geoff, my Win 7 updates work well and I don't think that GRUB has something to do with it. Well, I did try Rembrandt once and it worked, so I assume that your card can handle it as well. ..hang in there: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amd_radeon_linux35num=1 ..you wanna upgrade: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=ubuntu_hardyprecise_oldnum=1 ..http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTA3ODQ claims radeon on Ubuntu 12.04 is twice as fast as fglrx 8.47.3 on 8.04.4LTS, it also claims 30% more power consumption than on Ubuntu 6.06, I don't know how they measure that, I see ~20% capacity loss on 5 year old Li-ione batteries, which means ~20% less battery time. ..in some cases, the open source are better: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amd_radeon_2012oldnum=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amd_comp_oktoberfestnum=1 Don't let the product number fool you; the 2600XT is better than mine (albeit not being ATI's best card, even backintheday). The 7xxx card's crashes might be caused by drivers or OpenSceneGraph. Waiting for new versions of both might be worth it. ..only if you're willing to ditch closed source drivers: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=amd_catalyst_legacy2num=1 -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rembrandt - ATI Radeo HD 2600 XT - Ubuntu 10.04
Great news about the kernel! Can't wait for it to hit testing on Arch! (Although I'm not expecting any miracles on this machine.) B. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
