Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-03-05 Thread Erik Hofman
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:23 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 08:51 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 13:51 -0500, Peter Brown wrote:
> > > http://www.mediafire.com/file/zo967hk164bjkzq/OV10%2020110303.zip
> > 
> > The files are set to private so I'm unable to retrieve them.
> 
> Odd, the link from the forum does work, anyhow I'm downloading now.

That version has been pushed to GIT. Let me know if it's up-to-date or
if this was a (slightly) older version.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-03-04 Thread Erik Hofman
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 08:51 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 13:51 -0500, Peter Brown wrote:
> > http://www.mediafire.com/file/zo967hk164bjkzq/OV10%2020110303.zip
> 
> The files are set to private so I'm unable to retrieve them.

Odd, the link from the forum does work, anyhow I'm downloading now.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-03-03 Thread Erik Hofman
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 13:51 -0500, Peter Brown wrote:
> http://www.mediafire.com/file/zo967hk164bjkzq/OV10%2020110303.zip

The files are set to private so I'm unable to retrieve them.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-03-03 Thread Peter Brown

On Mar 3, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Peter Brown wrote:
> 
> 
> Erik, I updated the Bronco slightly if you want to take a look.
> 
> 
> Changes:
> GPS works in the black pony.
> All models have canopy doors open and shut via "c".
> All models have a pitot tube instead of that knife looking segment face.
> Better panel hotspot mapping on the black pony.
> Was not able to consolidate much yet. That will happen at some point.
> 
> Pete

Erik,  I fumbled and exceeded the text space in  in the Black Pony set 
file.

There are new folders complete :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zo967hk164bjkzq/OV10%2020110303.zip
or
http://www.mediafire.com/file/5u4p9833h4xjl9j/OV10%2020110303.tgz


Or replace existing text at Line 615 to 619 in  OV10_BlkPony-set.xml with only 
this :

   
The North American/Rockwell OV-10 Bronco was designed for the forward air 
control, light attack, observation and utility roles.  This model represents an 
OV-10A of the U.S. Air Force's 601st Tactical Control Wing, based at Sembach 
Airbase, Germany from about 1976 to 1984.  Similarly equipped versions were 
also based in Korea at that time.

Some unusual features of the OV-10 are that the cockpit is entered from the 
right side, and that each wing has 4 small spoilers for roll assist.  When 
flying the OV-10 be careful of using idle power.  If the "power levers" are 
brought all the way to the idle stop the propellers will go into flat pitch, 
and they act as speed brakes as well as spoilers for one-third of the wing.  
Land with the levers just above idle.
   


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-03-03 Thread Peter Brown

On Jan 27, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Erik Hofman wrote:

> The Bronco has been updated last week and should work properly (I tested
> it), granted .. not in fgrun.
> 
> The Fokker50-Denim file seems to be outdated and superseded by the
> livery selection system. Will update that soon.
> 
> Erik
> 


Erik, I updated the Bronco slightly if you want to take a look.

Either file:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1nmskhm0wfk1x21/OV10%2020110303.tgz
http://www.mediafire.com/file/5xmhdnin6lk21fg/OV10%2020110303.zip

Changes:
GPS works in the black pony.
All models have canopy doors open and shut via "c".
All models have a pitot tube instead of that knife looking segment face.
Better panel hotspot mapping on the black pony.
Was not able to consolidate much yet. That will happen at some point.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 04:01:57 +0100, Csaba wrote in message 
:

> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Arnt Karlsen  wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:55:21 + (GMT), Heiko wrote in message
> > <81676.67701...@web29516.mail.ird.yahoo.com>:
> >
> >> >
> >> > ..this old warrior, warrants a few screenshots: ;o)
> >> > https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/737-100/shady-fgfs-screen-013.png
> >> > https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/tree/master/737-100/
> >>
> >>
> >> This shows that your graphic card has problems to work with the new
> >> shaders or maybe the shaders have problems to work with the new
> >> shaders ;-)
> >
> > ..something along those lines, yes, _how_ do I check these?
> >
> >
> > ..does anyone else with ATI cards see this?  Or is it the
> > _combination_ of ATI cards with X.org's radeon driver?
> 
> I am now running the shiny new 11.1 fglrx driver on my integrated
> HD4200. The 737-100 has some silly landing lights, but other than
> that, it looks normal. See
> http://www.imagebam.com/image/313e33117039777

..yes, that was what I expected too, and it handles nice enough 
to fly on the keyboard.  Your card should also work with both 
X.org drivers radeon and radeonhd, at least well enough to make
screenshots, for decent frame rates you also need the firmware, 
and --full-screen doubles my frame rate, [alt]+[tab] get's you 
back and forth to e.g. the wiki on the browser.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-28 Thread Erik Hofman
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 10:19 -0500, Peter Brown wrote:
> Erik,
> 
> Thanks for repairing that link in the model file in the OV10_USAFE.
> While it runs as many use it, the folder needs to be cleaned up. Mr. Perry 
> was correct in an Effects file was removed/missing/etc, and obviously a path 
> was still lingering.
> 
> If I get a chance I'll try to sort through it all and lighten it up.

That would be nice, let me know when I should commit anything.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-27 Thread Csaba Halász
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Arnt Karlsen  wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:55:21 + (GMT), Heiko wrote in message
> <81676.67701...@web29516.mail.ird.yahoo.com>:
>
>> >
>> > ..this old warrior, warrants a few screenshots: ;o)
>> > https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/737-100/shady-fgfs-screen-013.png
>> > https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/tree/master/737-100/
>>
>>
>> This shows that your graphic card has problems to work with the new
>> shaders or maybe the shaders have problems to work with the new
>> shaders ;-)
>
> ..something along those lines, yes, _how_ do I check these?
>
>
> ..does anyone else with ATI cards see this?  Or is it the
> _combination_ of ATI cards with X.org's radeon driver?

I am now running the shiny new 11.1 fglrx driver on my integrated HD4200.
The 737-100 has some silly landing lights, but other than that, it looks normal.
See http://www.imagebam.com/image/313e33117039777

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:55:21 + (GMT), Heiko wrote in message 
<81676.67701...@web29516.mail.ird.yahoo.com>:

> Hi,
> 
> > 
> > ..this old warrior, warrants a few screenshots: ;o)
> > https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/737-100/shady-fgfs-screen-013.png
> > https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/tree/master/737-100/
> 
> 
> This shows that your graphic card has problems to work with the new
> shaders or maybe the shaders have problems to work with the new
> shaders ;-)

..something along those lines, yes, _how_ do I check these?


..does anyone else with ATI cards see this?  Or is it the 
_combination_ of ATI cards with X.org's radeon driver?
(Would defeat FG's ambition to be cross-platform and the 
GNU spirit behind the GPL. ;o))

..does anyone of you Nvidea owners see this if you load X.org's
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau driver? 
(Also needs non-free firmware and libdrm-nouveau1a etc if you 
wanna try fly it.)



> Anyway, for this we have this nice little tool: 
> http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/
> 
> You should report your issues with the shaders there
> 
> Heiko

..done: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=264

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-27 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi,

> 
> ..this old warrior, warrants a few screenshots: ;o)
> https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/737-100/shady-fgfs-screen-013.png
> https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/tree/master/737-100/


This shows that your graphic card has problems to work with the new shaders
or maybe the shaders have problems to work with the new shaders ;-)

Anyway, for this we have this nice little tool: 
http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/

You should report your issues with the shaders there

Heiko




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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:06:25 -0700, dave wrote in message 
<4d3f81a1.9070...@mindspring.com>:

> I have tried to load several AC that did not load with "filed to load 
> " errors.  So I did a survey of the entire up-to-date 
> fgdata.  I used an up-to-date fgrun and went through all the AC.
> 
> The following do not load even to the viewer in fgrun:
> 737-100,

..this old warrior, warrants a few screenshots: ;o)
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/737-100/shady-fgfs-screen-013.png
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/tree/master/737-100/

> 737-300, AG-14, Airwave Xtreme 150, CRJ-200, DC-8-63,

..these looks ok.

> Fairchild Metroliner, 

..another nite warrior:
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/tree/master/nite_warriors

> Fooker50-Denim,

..invisible qualifies a perfect top score on camouflage that the
fokker50-[K,V]LM also scores, fokker50 loads ok and is visibly 
and civil.

> Jaguar, Late-29,

..another coupla nite warriors, the late29F's 
move-to-sea option is _nice_. 

> marchetti,

..invisible

> MIG-29 Fulcrum, 

..looks ok, missing a few instruments?

> Mirage F1, North American OV-10A USAFE Bronco, Short Empire, 

..looks ok.

> x24b, 

..looks invisible from the cockpit but has a bright 
blue and yellow model glider appearance.

> and Zepphelin NT07 multiplayer copilot.

..sky blue blindness. 
> 
> This is on an FC14 Linux machine.  Some of these did not load because
> of folder or file names having spaces in them, so they may load under
> Windows.
> 
> Dave P.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-27 Thread Peter Brown

On Jan 27, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Erik Hofman wrote:

> On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 19:06 -0700, dave perry wrote:
>> I have tried to load several AC that did not load with "filed to load 
>> " errors.  So I did a survey of the entire up-to-date 
>> fgdata.  I used an up-to-date fgrun and went through all the AC.
>> 
>> The following do not load even to the viewer in fgrun:
>> 737-100, 737-300, AG-14, Airwave Xtreme 150, CRJ-200, DC-8-63, Fairchild 
>> Metroliner, Fooker50-Denim, Jaguar, Late-29, marchetti, MIG-29 Fulcrum, 
>> Mirage F1, North American OV-10A USAFE Bronco, Short Empire, x24b, and 
>> Zepphelin NT07 multiplayer copilot.
> 
> The Bronco has been updated last week and should work properly (I tested
> it), granted .. not in fgrun.
> 
> The Fokker50-Denim file seems to be outdated and superseded by the
> livery selection system. Will update that soon.
> 
> Erik
> 


Erik,

Thanks for repairing that link in the model file in the OV10_USAFE.
While it runs as many use it, the folder needs to be cleaned up. Mr. Perry was 
correct in an Effects file was removed/missing/etc, and obviously a path was 
still lingering.

If I get a chance I'll try to sort through it all and lighten it up.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-27 Thread Frederic Bouvier
> Class 1: fgfs and fgrun handle recursion of paths differently. 
> 

Anders, you are correct concerning the failure of fgrun to load both the Short 
Empire and the ZLT-NT-copilot. These as well as the Jaguar fail to load in 
fgrun because of differences in the way recursive paths are handled in fgrun 
and fgfs xml parsers. 
> 
Fixed 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-27 Thread Erik Hofman
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 19:06 -0700, dave perry wrote:
> I have tried to load several AC that did not load with "filed to load 
> " errors.  So I did a survey of the entire up-to-date 
> fgdata.  I used an up-to-date fgrun and went through all the AC.
> 
> The following do not load even to the viewer in fgrun:
> 737-100, 737-300, AG-14, Airwave Xtreme 150, CRJ-200, DC-8-63, Fairchild 
> Metroliner, Fooker50-Denim, Jaguar, Late-29, marchetti, MIG-29 Fulcrum, 
> Mirage F1, North American OV-10A USAFE Bronco, Short Empire, x24b, and 
> Zepphelin NT07 multiplayer copilot.

The Bronco has been updated last week and should work properly (I tested
it), granted .. not in fgrun.

The Fokker50-Denim file seems to be outdated and superseded by the
livery selection system. Will update that soon.

Erik


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-26 Thread dave perry

On 01/26/2011 01:31 PM, Anders Gidenstam wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, dave perry wrote:


I have tried to load several AC that did not load with "filed to load
" errors.  So I did a survey of the entire up-to-date
fgdata.  I used an up-to-date fgrun and went through all the AC.

The following do not load even to the viewer in fgrun:
737-100, 737-300, AG-14, Airwave Xtreme 150, CRJ-200, DC-8-63, Fairchild
Metroliner, Fooker50-Denim, Jaguar, Late-29, marchetti, MIG-29 Fulcrum,
Mirage F1, North American OV-10A USAFE Bronco, Short Empire, x24b, and
Zepphelin NT07 multiplayer copilot.

Did you try them in FlightGear too?

As far as I know both Short Empire and ZLT-NT-copilot (the latter doesn't
have any visible model btw) load fine in FlightGear so if the problems
with them occur only in fgrun I'd be inclined to consider it a problem in
fgrun's model viewer rather than a problem in the aircraft.

Cheers,

Anders

Hi again,

I decided to kill a few hours today chasing down the source of the 
failure in fgrun for each AC I listed.  I can put these failures in 3 
classes.  These are the first things that fgrun rejects.  There are 
likely others.


Class 1:  fgfs and fgrun handle recursion of paths differently.

   Anders, you are correct concerning the failure of fgrun to load both
   the Short Empire and the ZLT-NT-copilot.  These as well as the
   Jaguar fail to load in fgrun because of differences in the way
   recursive paths are handled in fgrun and fgfs xml parsers.

Class 2:  Linux Windows path differences (spaces in dir and file names 
or case sensitive).


   737-300 path is .../Flightdeck/Instruments/STBY/alt.xml but file is
   ALT.xml
   AG-14path is .../Instruments/Reloj digital/Reloj digital.xml
   Fairchild Metroliner   path is .../Instruments/Marker/MarkerLights.xml
but actual path is .../Instruments/marker/MarkerLights.xml
   Mirage_F1   path is ../Models/cockpit/Divers/... but actual dir is
   divers

Class 3:  File or dir missing

   737-100  several redundant models for instruments need to be deleted
   to match actual
directory structure.  Example: 
   .../Instruments/aib/ai.xmldir aib doesn't exist

   CRJ-200   path .../fgdata/Models/Airport/Pushback/warning-light.xml
   doesn't exist
   DC-8-63 Aircraft/dc8-63/Models/cargobox.xml doesn't exist
   Fokker50-Denim   path .../Models/fokker50denim.xml doesn't exist
   Fokker50-KLM   path .../Models/fokker50klm.xml doesn't exist
   Fokker50-VLM   path .../Models/fokker50vlm.xml doesn't exist
   Late-29path .../Effects/wakeG.xml,  actual path
   .../Effects/waves/wakeG.xml
   Mig-29 path .../Effects/tiptrail.xml, no Effects dir
   OV-10A USAFE   path .../Aircraft/OV10/Effects/smoke.xml, no Effects dir

The UIUC models with .mdl files don't load in fgrun viewer and don't 
seem to work from the command line either.


Case 1 needs to be addressed by the maintainers of fgrun.  Since this 
difference in parsing recursive paths only shows up for 3 of 100+ 
aircraft, it is true that this can be easily avoided by the aircraft 
maintainers.


Case 2 should be addressed by the aircraft maintainers as FlightGear is 
a cross-platform project.


Case 3 should also be addressed by the aircraft maintainers.  Some of 
this is just sloppy xml files with cruft not removed because it is not 
causing fgfs to crash or abort.  Some of this is likely "work in progress".


Is it possible to add a switch to the fgfs command line so that it 
aborts when a file or directory request violates the cross-platform goal 
(names with case not matching the actual dir or file names or names with 
embedded spaces).


Cheers,
Dave P.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-26 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi,


> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, dave perry
> wrote:
> 
> > I have tried to load several AC that did not load with
> "filed to load
> > " errors.  So I did a survey of
> the entire up-to-date
> > fgdata.  I used an up-to-date fgrun and went
> through all the AC.
> >
> > The following do not load even to the viewer in
> fgrun:
> > 737-100, 737-300, AG-14, Airwave Xtreme 150, CRJ-200,
> DC-8-63, Fairchild
> > Metroliner, Fooker50-Denim, Jaguar, Late-29,
> marchetti, MIG-29 Fulcrum,
> > Mirage F1, North American OV-10A USAFE Bronco, Short
> Empire, x24b, and
> > Zepphelin NT07 multiplayer copilot.

With the latest FGRun on which OS?
I have problems with some of them on win 32 xp and FGRun: 
AG14, 737-100, Airwave Xtreme 150(no valid mdl-file), CRJ-200, DC-8-63, 
F50-Denim, Jaguar, Late-290, marchetti, MIG-29, Short Empire, 
x24b

HHS





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Re: [Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-26 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, dave perry wrote:

> I have tried to load several AC that did not load with "filed to load
> " errors.  So I did a survey of the entire up-to-date
> fgdata.  I used an up-to-date fgrun and went through all the AC.
>
> The following do not load even to the viewer in fgrun:
> 737-100, 737-300, AG-14, Airwave Xtreme 150, CRJ-200, DC-8-63, Fairchild
> Metroliner, Fooker50-Denim, Jaguar, Late-29, marchetti, MIG-29 Fulcrum,
> Mirage F1, North American OV-10A USAFE Bronco, Short Empire, x24b, and
> Zepphelin NT07 multiplayer copilot.

Did you try them in FlightGear too?

As far as I know both Short Empire and ZLT-NT-copilot (the latter doesn't 
have any visible model btw) load fine in FlightGear so if the problems 
with them occur only in fgrun I'd be inclined to consider it a problem in 
fgrun's model viewer rather than a problem in the aircraft.

Cheers,

Anders
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[Flightgear-devel] list of aircraft that don't load in fgdata

2011-01-25 Thread dave perry
I have tried to load several AC that did not load with "filed to load 
" errors.  So I did a survey of the entire up-to-date 
fgdata.  I used an up-to-date fgrun and went through all the AC.

The following do not load even to the viewer in fgrun:
737-100, 737-300, AG-14, Airwave Xtreme 150, CRJ-200, DC-8-63, Fairchild 
Metroliner, Fooker50-Denim, Jaguar, Late-29, marchetti, MIG-29 Fulcrum, 
Mirage F1, North American OV-10A USAFE Bronco, Short Empire, x24b, and 
Zepphelin NT07 multiplayer copilot.

This is on an FC14 Linux machine.  Some of these did not load because of 
folder or file names having spaces in them, so they may load under Windows.

Dave P.


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