Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: how to handle add-on ground scenery distribution

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Metzler
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:17:48 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Metzler wrote: I've been waiting to post this until after the release went out, hoping there'd be more discussion when things were a tiny bit calmer . . . Over time, various people have done a lot of work on ground

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: how to handle add-on ground scenery distribution

2004-08-01 Thread Boris Koenig
Chris Metzler wrote: On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:17:48 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that (now that we have a separate Objects directory) it is possible quite easily to add a command-line option to disable the static scenery objects. Fair enough. But with ground structures that

RE: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - problem

2004-08-01 Thread Vivian Meazza
Chris Metzler wrote Sent: 31 July 2004 23:14 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - problem On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:11:29 +0100 Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded FGFS cvs this morning. There appears to be an error in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - problem

2004-08-01 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Vivian Meazza wrote: Is that from a recent download? I updated again this morning, and still get 166 if(cap 1) { continue; } 1 still doesn't seem to work with JBS models. I also have 1. Are you dowloading with the cvs client or with the flightgear.org viewcvs application. In the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: how to handle add-on ground scenery distribution

2004-08-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Jon Stockill wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Jon Stockill wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: My personal opinion would be to get everything at one place, preferably (but not necessarily) in a separate CVS branch at flightgear.org just like the world wide scenery right now. That would be easiest for everybody

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taildragger takeoff and landing

2004-08-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:44:19 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Erik (Ever used the bicycle to cycle up a steep hill?) ..is overhang steep enough? ;-) (or did you mean hangover ..?) :-) On a bicycle? ..yup. Classic case of _find_-a-way and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: how to handle add-on ground scenery distribution

2004-08-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Chris Metzler wrote: Fair enough. But with ground structures that are installable separately, it's possible for a user to pick and choose what to install. For example, someone could wish to see a set of landmarks in Paris, but not the buildings at Orly (wanting smoother framerates during

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: FlightGear-0.9.5-pre3 base patch request

2004-08-01 Thread Boris Koenig
Erik Hofman wrote: Boris Koenig wrote: You're right in saying that most of the base package is unlikely to change THAT significantly, I think - so it would really make sense to provide means to upgrade from any base to the latest base version. You might get disappointed ... Erik, in order to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: FlightGear-0.9.5-pre3 base patch request

2004-08-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Boris Koenig wrote: Erik, in order to determine how feasible it would be to even further extend tardiff.pl in one way or the other it would be useful to know what _major_ changes to the FlightGear base package are planned, or at least likely to occur within the near future, so things like

RE: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - problem

2004-08-01 Thread Vivian Meazza
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederic Bouvier Sent: 01 August 2004 09:24 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - problem Vivian Meazza wrote: Is that from a recent download? I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: FlightGear-0.9.5-pre3 base patch request

2004-08-01 Thread Boris Koenig
Sorry for cross-posting, didn't intend to do so, was probably caused because this topic comes originally from the users list. Erik Hofman wrote: Boris Koenig wrote: The most likely changes are updated (and new) aircraft 3d model related files. The rest is not very predictable. It comes as things

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: FlightGear-0.9.5-pre3 base patch request

2004-08-01 Thread Boris Koenig
Erik Hofman wrote: The most likely changes are updated (and new) aircraft 3d model related files. The rest is not very predictable. It comes as things go ... weird, this seems to be related to the mailing list application (pipermail ?) - I did indeed only send the posting to the devel-list, but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: FlightGear-0.9.5-pre3 base patch request

2004-08-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Boris Koenig wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: The most likely changes are updated (and new) aircraft 3d model related files. The rest is not very predictable. It comes as things go It might be useful if such changes could be documented - at least the more significant ones, do you usually make

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear-0.9.5-pre3 base patch request

2004-08-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Boris Koenig wrote: weird, this seems to be related to the mailing list application (pipermail ?) - I did indeed only send the posting to the devel-list, but it (as well as all replies to it !) shows up on the users-list as well, seems to be mailheader related, because it was a reply to another

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs aborted with the dc3

2004-08-01 Thread Boris Koenig
Ron Lange wrote: Thank you Durk! I hope that someone is making a patch of the final base package soon...;-) then I'll get out of trouble. Hi Ron ! I haven't yet received any sources/links for the *original* (old) FlightGear (pre)-release packages, so the patch I am providing here now is based on

RE: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - problem

2004-08-01 Thread Norman Vine
Vivian Meazza writes: Frederic Bouvier writes: Is that from a recent download? I updated again this morning, and still get 166 if(cap 1) { continue; } 1 still doesn't seem to work with JBS models. I also have 1. Are you dowloading with the cvs client or with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfsbase patch 0.9.4final = 0.9.5final (WAS: fgfs aborted with the dc3)

2004-08-01 Thread Boris Koenig
As the 0.9.4 release is still available via ftp from flightgear.org I created a patch from 0.9.4final to 9.9.5final, the patch has a total size of 23 MB (hey, still about only 1/4th of the actual download !) and can be obtained at:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: FlightGear-0.9.5-pre3 base patch request

2004-08-01 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Erik Hofman wrote: Boris Koenig wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: The most likely changes are updated (and new) aircraft 3d model related files. The rest is not very predictable. It comes as things go It might be useful if such changes could be documented - at least the more significant ones, do you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taildragger takeoff and landing

2004-08-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:26:48 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:44:19 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Erik (Ever used the bicycle to cycle up a steep hill?) ..is overhang steep enough?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] CVS - problem

2004-08-01 Thread Jon Berndt
166 if(cap 1) { continue; } 1 still doesn't seem to work with JBS models. What? I could not figure out from the posts what wasn't working with the JSBSim models (is that what you meant by JBS Models?) Jon I also have 1. Are you dowloading with the cvs client or with the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfsbase patch 0.9.4final = 0.9.5final (WAS: fgfs aborted with the dc3)

2004-08-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:35:06 +0200, Boris wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As the 0.9.4 release is still available via ftp from flightgear.org I created a patch from 0.9.4final to 9.9.5final, the patch has a total size of 23 MB (hey, still about only 1/4th of the actual download !) and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfsbase patch 0.9.4final = 0.9.5final (WAS: fgfs aborted with the dc3)

2004-08-01 Thread Boris Koenig
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:35:06 +0200, Boris wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As the 0.9.4 release is still available via ftp from flightgear.org I created a patch from 0.9.4final to 9.9.5final, the patch has a total size of 23 MB (hey, still about only 1/4th of the actual

[Flightgear-devel] Re: chase/cockpit view

2004-08-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Sam -- Sunday 25 July 2004 18:33: can anybody give me an advice how to implement new view inflightgear: a combination of cockpit and chase view - so that the plane would be looked at from behind (like in chase mode) but at the same time viewport behaviour would be the same as in cockpit - i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.5

2004-08-01 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: For what it's worth, FlightGear 0.9.5 for IRIX is available [...] Great, thanks ! Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.5

2004-08-01 Thread Martin Spott
Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Solaris/Sparc is currently building - but it takes a while on an old Sparc20 :-) Ouch Which compiler are you using? If it's one of the free ones I've got an Ultra 1 here I could run build it on in future, although I doubt it'd be much good

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.5

2004-08-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: GCC-3.4.1 for Sparc hardware isn't that bad anymore but I'd be still interested in trying out the commercial compiler by Sun, For what I've heard gcc is often the better option on Solaris because of (code) incompatibilities with gcc. I must admit, that was about four years

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs aborted with the dc3

2004-08-01 Thread Ron Lange
Boris Koenig schrieb: Hi Ron ! Hi Boris, The patch from 0.9.5-pre2 = 0.9.5-final (~1 meg) is obtainable at: http://flitetutor.sourceforge.net/mlist/base-patches/fgfs-base-patch-9.9.5-PRE2__0.9.5.FINAL.tgz thank you very much! Please let us know if there are any problems, but these would then

[Flightgear-devel] Re: RFD: how to handle add-on ground scenery distribution

2004-08-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Chris Metzler -- Sunday 01 August 2004 09:10: On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:17:48 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Metzler wrote: Franz Melchior did [...] Actually it's Melchior Franz. Dangit. I assumed the reverse order because I know someone with Franz as a first name,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs aborted with the dc3

2004-08-01 Thread Boris Koenig
Ron Lange wrote: Hmm...the only way to confirm a successful patch is to diff against the final base-package, but that is the case I try to avoid ;-) I forgot to mention that tardiff has meanwhile support for automatic creation/comparison of checksums, hence it should be possible for you to

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Concorde

2004-08-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 07 July 2004 00:36: I have commited a first stab at a Concorde model, first created by Melchior and the further enhanced by Thierry [...] Actually, I didn't create the Concorde model. I only did the first conversion to ac3d and rgb and some trivial optimization.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs aborted with the dc3

2004-08-01 Thread Ron Lange
Hallo Boris, Boris Koenig schrieb: More precisely the file with the checksums for 0.9.5final is at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/data/fgfs-base-0.9.5.md5.gz I've just patched with this file and everything seems to be right. Danke nochmal Ron ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v0.9.5

2004-08-01 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: For what I've heard gcc is often the better option on Solaris because of (code) incompatibilities with gcc. I must admit, that was about four years back and I haven't followed Sun/Solaris much in the mean time. Yeah ;-) The GCC-3.4.x release notes mention even binary

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: how to handle add-on ground scenery distribution

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Metzler
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:32:31 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've already explained this to Jon, but I was really aiming at a two stage approach. Maintaining can be done using CVS. Making it available for users could be done like downloading the terrain data right now: Using a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Concorde

2004-08-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:21:47 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 07 July 2004 00:36: I have commited a first stab at a Concorde model, first created by Melchior and the further enhanced by Thierry [...] Actually, I didn't create the Concorde

[Flightgear-devel] ..update script tardiff (or cvs) idea, was: fgfs aborted with the dc3

2004-08-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:31:49 +0200, Boris wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: one other thing: I mentioned already that I didn't have the original pre-release available to create that patch, meanwhile Stewart Steven have released a patch that's based on the _original_ pre2-release, which

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness

2004-08-01 Thread Matthew Law
David Megginson wrote: I cannot reproduce it on my system: fgfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --aircraft=j3cub I put on the parking brake (who'd have thought the J3 Cub had a parking brake?) and tried moving all of the control surfaces. They had no effect on the aircraft, either with the engine on or